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Carmel High School (Carmel, California)

Hello Greg,

Clearly, I'm new on Wiki but I'm passionate about facts around Carmel, California. Regarding your updates on the Carmel High School Wiki Page: Carmel_High_School_(Carmel,_California) - History on high school: You reference Carmel Pine Cone but it an editorial that is inaccurate. We've sent the publisher the legal documents he is inaccurate (deeds, dates, etc). A bit unfair if a local publisher with small circulation is being referenced as accurate. Is that a credible source?

Also, how would we add a section "Controversy" with the following sources: Mascot:[1] [2] [3] [4] Stadium Lights:[5] [6] Frances Dillard CarmelSunset (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.montereycountyweekly.com/opinion/local_spin/a-year-later-what-happened-to-the-effort-to-change-carmel-high-s-mascot/article_be1cebb0-216f-11ec-8e28-3b9aa8770779.html
  2. ^ https://www.ksbw.com/article/alumni-call-for-carmel-high-to-replace-the-padre-mascot/32974432#
  3. ^ https://www.kazu.org/local/2020-07-24/carmel-high-school-rethinks-the-legacy-of-its-mascot
  4. ^ https://kion546.com/news/2020/11/25/carmel-high-school-considers-changing-mascot/
  5. ^ https://www.montereyherald.com/2021/10/19/carmel-high-stadium-lights-project-sparks-contention-in-the-community/
  6. ^ https://www.montereycountyweekly.com/news/local_news/a-stadium-lights-proposal-at-carmel-high-kicks-off-complaints-from-neighbors/article_1a740930-2160-11ec-b44a-ab71eba02a12.html
Frances, Thanks for your interest in Carmel High School. I have provided a new citation from the The Californian regarding the History section that I added. Please review and let me know if this helps. The Carmel Pine Cone is a primary source and provides names and dates for information regarding when the school began. In terms of adding a Controversy section, about (a) Mascot and (b) Stadium Lights, I suggest you add two paragraphs, one for Mascot and explain the controversy around the name Padre and use one or two citations, e.g. the www.kazu.org one. For Stadium Lights, you could add the citation from www.montereycountyweekly.com. --Greg Henderson (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Fixed your talk page archiving

Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. I see that your archive subpages are a bit of a mess. If you want to get them numbered consistently, you could move them. The easiest would be to move /Archive 4 to /Archive09, and /Archive 136 to /Archive10. However, if you want the consistent style that's used all over Wikipedia (and which can be autodetected by templates like {{Archives}} and {{Automatic archive navigator}}), it gets a bit more involved: you would first have to move /Archive 4 to /Archive 9, then make sure the remaining redirect at /Archive 4 is deleted by an admin, and then move all of the /Archive01-/Archive08 archives to /Archive 1-/Archive 8. And of course /Archive 136 to /Archive 10. If you need any help, I'd be happy to do it for you. --rchard2scout (talk) 09:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Rchard2scout, Yes, please, I can never get the auto "Archives" to work. --Greg Henderson (talk) 16:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
No problem, I know they're tricky.  Done --rchard2scout (talk) 14:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Rchard2scout, Perfect, thanks for doing this! --Greg Henderson (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Henderson family tree

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Autopatrolled

Howdy hello! I came across your articles in Carmel, which you did a splendid job on. Since you are a prolific creator of pages which seem up to snuff, I have gone and given you the WP:AUTOPATROLLED right, meaning your pages will be...automatically patrolled. Keep up the good work! CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!--Greg Henderson (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Thank you for creating Seven Arts Building.

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Thanks, I appreciate your comments. --Greg Henderson (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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User:North8000, Your are welcome! I had a lot of fun doing the research about Kuster and Carmel-by-the-Sea. --Greg Henderson (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
It's nice when one can both create good stuff and also enjoy doing it.  :-) North8000 (talk) 17:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you --Greg Henderson (talk) 17:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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User:North8000, Thank you for your encourging comments. I enjoyed writing about the Carmel Development Company Building. I recently wrote an article on the company itself, the Carmel Development Company. --Greg Henderson (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

External links embedded in article text

Hi Greg, hope all is very well with you. I saw your new article on Winston Swift Boyer and wanted to reach out and let you know why I placed a maintenance tag on it. The article contains external links embeded in the article text. Please read through WP:EL, which states that external links shouldn't be placed in the article, and should not point to a personal website. It would be best to remove them, and add proper citations. Or you can add a link to his website in the external links section if you have not already added the website to the infobox. Let me know if you have any questions after you read WP:EL (it's fairly long, but worth knowing the guidance.) Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 22:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Netherzone:, Thanks for pointing this out. I appreciate it. I've updated the page and removed the tag. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Minor editing things

Hi Greg. Thank you for all your work on buildings and people. Having enjoyed looking through a few can I respectfully point out that when you want an alternative word for burial, the spelling that you need is interment and not internment? Minor and very easily fixed so I have done a few for you.

While I am at it, I saw a few articles which you begin with something like Alexandra Palace, is a building in North London – in these cases I strongly believe that the comma is wrong and it should simply flow on thus: Alexandra Palace is a building in North London.

Please please don't think that I am out to persecute you or to be unhelpful! Absolutely the opposite. But I got myself into a bit of an EditingCrusade™ about interment/internment resulting from the Queen's death and the editing frenzy that it has caused, and then I noticed lots of your lovely articles! I do hope that this is more helpful to you than it is annoying. :) With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 12:11, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered:, I appreciate that you made the effort to reach out to a fellow Wikipedian. The more we communicate to each other the better our articles will be. I like to write my articles in 2-3 days, and use MS Word to check the spelling. Sometimes this does not work out or additions are made that slip through the spellcheck. In any case, thank you for reading and complimenting me on my articles. They are a labor of love. In the future, I will use the word burial instead of interment (not internment). Good luck with your "graveyard of creativity and common sense." Greg Henderson (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the lovely reply! Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Typo in Edward G. Kuster article

In the sentence:

New York drama critic and film producer Kenneth Macgowan characterized Carmel as an "artists colony where nine plays were in reheresal in one July and where the population appears to include 2,00 actors and no audience."

The number could be astonishing 2,000 or it could mean 200. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 07:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Pavel Vozenilek: Thank you for pointing this out. I looked up the quote and the number was printed as 2,000. This was in the 1920s, so that number looks correct. I appreciate you calling this to my attention. I enjoy writing about Carmel at this time. It must have been a magical place with the Forest Theater, Golden Bough Theater and all the plays and actors! Greg Henderson (talk) 14:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
I am reading a poem from Robinson Jeffers (in Czech translation) and it is so powerful! Browsing wiki articles related to this author, I noticed the typo. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 20:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
@Pavel Vozenilek: Hi, what is the typo and on what articles? Greg Henderson (talk) 21:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
I mean the already fixed typo above, not some new one. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 09:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Al Spalding

Long shot, but if you have any information in printed sources about the above, I'd appreciate it. I think I've exhausted the online sources. I believe you have more of an interest in shipbuilders, but just putting it out there. And congrats on being autopatrolled! Seasider53 (talk) 11:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Seasider53: Thanks! I never heard of Mr. Spalding, however, a quick search on FamilySearch.org provides the following record: https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/GS9C-W1W/eliot-amsden-spalding-1932-2022 - this is a free copy of the page in case you don't have a login. Ancestry produced a private tree, with the following info: Eliot Amsden Spalding from tree Sylvia Poulson Family Tree (Private). Birth 12 Dec 1932 Fitchburg, Worcester, Massachusetts, USA. Good luck with your research. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:25, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Barbara Mujica (writer)

Hi Greghenderson2006, when I reviewed the edit history for this article, I noticed you added unsourced spouse information to the infobox, after it was disputed, e.g. [1]. I also looked for sources to support the content that appears to have first been added in 2018 by an IP [2], but was unsuccessful. The content appears to be contrary to WP:BLP policy, and I encourage you to not continue adding it. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Beccaynr: I have reviewed your comments and have added sources to support spouses, etc. See also: Wikidata Bárbara Mujica that includes references for birth, death, etc. Greg Henderson (talk) 18:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
I had initially inadvertantly wikilinked this subject on the Sister Teresa article with the article for actress Bárbara Mujica, but a corrective edit indicated they are distinct, so I have reverted the addition. But thank you very much for your review. Beccaynr (talk) 18:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
I see, there are two Barbara Mujica. I was interested in the writer who wrote for the Washington Review. This makes it more difficult to do the research. It would be nice to find her birth date and death dates. Greg Henderson (talk) 18:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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Sawyer-Barrow House

Thanks for your welcome additions and improvements! If you have time, would you consider sharing your thoughts on the article's talk page here with regards to what the page title should be? BBQboffin (talk) 19:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Walker Cup

The Walker Cup did not officially start until 1922, the 1921 match is regarded as unofficial. See e.g. [3] [4] [5] Nigej (talk) 21:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For all of your work creating articles on Californian history, you deserve this. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Cappella dei principe

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Yes, please delete it. Greg Henderson (talk) 03:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Moving of Basilica of San Lorenzo.

I have two comments on this. This is the English encyclopedia, and the word "of" should be used instead of "di", because while "basilica" is a word used in English, "di" is not. Secondly, one of the ways in which churches across the world are identified from one another is by the name of their town or suburb. The location is separated from the titular name by a comma, not by a set of brackets. NEVER by a set of brackets. You only have to look at the signboard outside any church in your vicinity to know this to be the case. Please fix it. Amandajm (talk) 22:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them. However, Wikipedia will not let me move (change) the page as you requested. I get the following error when trying to move the page to "Basilica of San Lorenzo, Florence," or "Basilica of San Lorenzo." Error: "The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid." If you look at the Wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q573881) for this entry there are 33 entries with these names. As you can see there are a lot of pages with parenthesis (). Google Maps also shows the name as "Basilica di San Lorenzo." I have asked an admin to make the change for me. Thanks, Greg Henderson (talk) 00:22, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

I have removed the autopatrolled flag from your account, per your disclosures above and on your userpage. This will ensure that any articles you create will be reviewed through the WP:NPP process, although I recommend you take this a step further and submit any future paid articles through WP:AFC. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have about this decision. – bradv 23:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I understand your decision to remove the autopatrolled flag from my account in light of the disclosures provided earlier and on my userpage. I appreciate your commitment to ensuring that all articles I create will be subject to review through the WP:NPP process. I acknowledge your recommendation to take additional precautions by submitting any future paid articles through WP:AFC. I'm fully aligned with this approach, and I'll certainly adhere to it moving forward. Greg Henderson (talk) 23:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Fine Arts
For your article on Gary Hugh Brown, an excellent contribution on a contemporary artist! It's great to know about his work. I'm currently gathering sources on Michael McCabe (1961–2023), a Navajo master printer who worked with Brown and many other artists. Keep up the great work, Greg! Netherzone (talk) 16:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for you kind words, I appreciate it! Greg Henderson (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I retract this award because you were engaging in Undisclosed Paid Editing and did not reveal that when you created the article nor when you received the award. You have compromised your own integrity time and time again and do not deserve it. Have you no shame? Netherzone (talk) 01:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I think the article stands for itself. I have since been honest to disclose it was a paid article. The shame I feel is not saying it was paid for when I first wrote it. Greg Henderson (talk) 01:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you have an undisclosed connection (paid or unpaid) to Zearn?

Information icon Hello, Greghenderson2006. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Zearn, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Melcous (talk) 00:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

@Melcous: I've disclosed Paid COI on my userpage and on the Zearn talk page. I have read WP:COI and will abide by its rules. Greg Henderson (talk) 23:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
@Greghenderson2006: You're not a new editor and certainly not new on COI issues. Why did you even do an undisclosed paid editing. Moreover, I noticed you continue to make articles making references to familysearch.org, such as Allen Knight, John B. Jordan which gives me the impression that you're choosing to flout guidelines. Are there any other articles for which you created for others, paid or unpaid? and if you do, which ones are they? Graywalls (talk) 00:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
@Graywalls: Sorry about the familysearch.org sources and paid COI issue. Sources from familysearch.org are usually from U.S. government census records and death indexes, which should be valid references. I will list the few paid articles I have written on my user page. Greg Henderson (talk) 00:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Why did you feel it was acceptable to commit undisclosed paid editing activity? Graywalls (talk) 00:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
It was a mistake. I apologize for making this mistake. Greg Henderson (talk) 00:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
On the two articles with FamilySearch concerns, I see you took out FS. Does the other source(s) still directly support everything else left in place? If not, contents that is no longer directly supportable should be removed. Family search has been discussed repeated at WP:RSP and "unreliable" is the culmination of consensus from repeated discussions. Graywalls (talk) 05:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Just so I am clear that I am understanding this correctly Greghenderson2006, you have been editing wikipedia since 2007, and have previously been warned about COI editing multiple times, and then some time before July 2022 you started accepting payment for creating and editing articles, but you now say it is just a "mistake" that you have not disclosed either that you were paid, or even that you had a COI with any of the articles you were paid to create, at any point in the last year until I asked you here? Is that correct? Melcous (talk) 08:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Indeed, you're accurate. The omission of disclosure concerning payments and conflicts of interest appears to have endured for the past year until you raised the matter here. Frankly, I had concerns about drawing attention to the articles, which led me to avoid addressing the issue altogether. Moving forward, I commit to strictly following the COI guidelines. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
If I'm understanding this right, it was a calculated omission in order to delay the discovery of undisclosed paid editing? Any other articles beyond the handleful you've acknowledged that you've made/edited at behest of others for consideration, either money or in services (for example products and services)? Any other working under you? Any other accounts being used? Graywalls (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I appreciate your clarification. It seems the omission stemmed from a lack of complete understanding about the rules governing paid contributions. I began accepting paid requests in 2023 at the suggestion of a high school friend. Out of the extensive list of over 300 articles I've written, only around half a dozen were created through paid requests. I am operating independently without additional products, services, employees, or other accounts involved. Greg Henderson (talk) 21:41, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing out the changes I made. I'll thoroughly review the remaining sources to ensure they still solidly support the content that's in place. If any information is no longer directly supported, I agree that it should be removed. I appreciate your reference to the discussions at WP:RSP and the consensus regarding FamilySearch's reliability. I'll ensure the articles adhere to the highest standards of sourcing and accuracy. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I appreciate what you have disclosed here Greghenderson2006. I would suggest now is the time to be completely transparent and precise about this.
  1. First can I ask you to acknowledge if you are willing to abide not just by WP:COI as you have said above, but also by WP:PAID, which is even more stringent?
  2. In particular, are you willing to put new articles through the WP:AFC process rather than directly moving them into the main space as you have been doing?
  3. Can you clarify when you started editing for pay, as you have said above that it was in 2023, however you have disclosed payment for Winston Swift Boyer, which you created in July 2022.
  4. Can you please read WP:NPOV again and do you accept that some of your paid editing has been promotional in style, for example at Washington Review?
  5. Finally I am also tagging an administrator Drmies who have I asked if he has time to look into this. I understand that blocking is intended to be preventative not punitive, however I personally am concerned that you are looking to move on from promotional paid editing against wikipedia's terms of services with just an "Oops, my mistake" rather than acknowledging the seriousness of this over a signficant period of time and as you have hinted at above, deliberately done to evade accountability. Melcous (talk) 00:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Melcous, I don't really get it. On Henderson's user page, was I supposed to see a clear COI statement regarding Winston Swift Boyer, for instance? Cause I didn't see it--though that user page is a lot more complicated than yours or mine. That article, by the way, reads like a puff piece that someone got paid to write. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
It's buried deep in his profile under collapsed "COI paid"... and he only added after the Zearn callout. Graywalls (talk) 02:44, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I have removed the collapse headings and replaced with sections headings so the COI sections are more visible. Greg Henderson (talk) 04:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Greghenderson, when you write up stuff like this, what do you expect other Wikipedians, maybe Wikipedians with extensive edit histories, to think of you? Drmies (talk) 01:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Drmies:, the text was provided by the client. When I craft content like this, my intention is to uphold transparency and accountability. I aspire for fellow Wikipedians, particularly those with extensive editing backgrounds, to view me as someone dedicated to maintaining Wikipedia's principles and standards. My objective is to contribute in a positive and transparent manner, openly recognizing any errors and collaborating with others to ensure the precision and credibility of the articles I both create and edit. Greg Henderson (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Melcous: Henderson shouldn't retain his auto-patrolled privileges given that it was part of how his paid edits slipped through reviewers. Graywalls (talk) 02:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
"the text was provided by the client. When I craft content like this"--if the client provides the text, your "crafting" is just formatting it, correct? But the text for a Wikipedia article should never be that of a client, unless the client is skilled in writing neutral, objective, encyclopedic content, which is a rarity. Drmies (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Drmies: Thank you for pointing out that distinction. You're right, the content should adhere to Wikipedia's standards of neutrality and objectivity. I appreciate your emphasis on maintaining the encyclopedic nature of the content. In cases where clients provide the text, I'll ensure that it aligns with these principles and make any necessary adjustments to maintain the quality and integrity of the article. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Melcous: I appreciate your questions and concerns, and I'm committed to providing complete transparency.
Regarding your first question, yes, I'm willing to adhere to both WP:COI and WP:PAID guidelines, including their requirements.
Regarding the process of submitting new articles, I'm willing to follow the WP:AFC process instead of directly moving articles into the main space, as I have been doing.
I apologize for any confusion about the timing of my paid editing. I stated getting payment for the creation of Winston Swift Boyer in July 2022. I understand this discrepancy in dates and will ensure consistency in my future disclosures.
Upon your mentioning, I revisited WP:NPOV, and I recognize that some of my paid editing may have unintentionally leaned towards a promotional style, such as the case with the Washington Review article. I apologize for any violation of neutrality, and I commit to maintaining a strictly neutral and unbiased tone in all my future contributions.
I welcome the involvement of administrator Drmies in this matter. I understand the significance of adherence to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and I acknowledge the seriousness of this situation. I want to assure you that my intention is not to evade accountability. I genuinely acknowledge the concerns raised and am committed to rectifying any errors I've made in my contributions.
Thank you for taking the time to address these issues, and I'm here to cooperate fully in resolving them. Greg Henderson (talk) 04:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Graywalls: What steps can we take to remove the Paid contributions tag from the Zearn article? The tag has already been placed on the talk page. It's important to the client that the tag doesn't suggest that this is a paid contribution.Greg Henderson (talk) 15:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Melcous@Drmies and Greg: Greg, you re-inserted what I have removed here Special:Diff/1170315869 by shuffling around the citations, but in the core, it doesn't change that the contents are based on research/projects funded by Zearn or those closely associated with Zearn. Many of existing sources are related to Zearn or their partners and not independent and I see the contents presented are supremely biased in the way that these sources were probably chosen by the article subject, and even if they were not, the authors of the sources are too closely associated with the article subject. So, I maintain the tag is valid. The extent to which the article looks pleasing to your client is not a factor for Wikipedia and our decision shouldn't be swayed by it. The client doesn't like it? oh noes! The article needs to be fundamentally re-written not just by using neutral tone, but using independent sources. Getting it done timely just to please your client is not a reason to prioritize the process. It'll get done when it gets done. Graywalls (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Graywalls, I assume you pinged me not because I reinserted anything (I haven't touched the article), but yeah, I was just looking at the exact same passage, thinking that the sourcing might be questionable and needs careful scrutiny. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Drmies: Just to loop in the relevant people. Corrected the confusing sentence. Graywalls (talk) 15:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I apologize for any confusion, but I believe there might be a misunderstanding. I have not made any recent edits to the Zearn article since November 18th. If changes were made that you are referring to, it wasn't by me. I'm here to assist and collaborate, so if there are any issues you'd like to address or discuss regarding the edits in question, please let me know, and I'll do my best to help. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I have not made any recent edits to the Zearn article since November 18th.. False. You made edits to it last week. Graywalls (talk) 17:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I mean to say since August 18th. Greg Henderson (talk) 17:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
@Greghenderson2006 did you also create Gary Hugh Brown for money? It seems so, because just yesterday you added the paid editing template to the talk page. That was the article for which I awarded you a barnstar back in July. Why were you not honest at that time and reveal to me that you were engaging in paid editing? Netherzone (talk) 01:26, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
It is very simple Netherzone. It was one of the first times someone offered to pay me to write a Wikipedia article for them. I felt very good about being able to do this and we spent many hours editing a workspace draft. I was reluctant to disclose being paid because (a) I did not know how to disclose this on the article or talk page; and (b) was afraid it would bring up previous COI comments from editors. I realize now that it was a mistake and have been very honest with Melcous and others about this. I would think that now that I better understand the rules and how to display the connected paid contributor on my user page and on the article talk page, it would make sense to leave it at that. I have already lost my Autopatrolled priviledges and have been thoroughly reprimanded. Greg Henderson (talk) 01:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I do not believe you are telling the truth, Greg Henderson. You were first told about COI editing years ago and were advised to comply with our policies and guidelines many, many times. Please stop "acting innocent", it is not becoming nor convincing. Netherzone (talk) 01:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
I am telling the truth. I was told about COI regarding family members but not about being a paid contributor. Now I understand. I will not do it again. Greg Henderson (talk) 01:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
That is a load of nonsense and you know it. You were first warned about COI editing 10 years ago - in 2013. And there is an entire section in WP:COI about Paid editing WP:PAY. You were given this behavioral guideline WP:COI multiple times over the past 10 years, by multiple editors. Are you trying to say that you never read it? Netherzone (talk) 02:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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