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Votes for deletion[edit]

To vote on vfd, just click on the link called "add to this discussion" which is next to each discussion. Then edit that page and sign your comment with tildes, as per above. HTH, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 23:38, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Plural of virus[edit]

Hi. I see you reverted the last edit by Fubar Obfusco to the Computer virus article. I also disagreed with his edit and have dropped a note about it on his talkpage. I thought you might want to read it, and maybe add your ideas so we can work out something that is acceptable to all of us. Sietse 21:44, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I (and others) have changed a few things on the plural of virus page since your last comments on its talkpage. Since you are knowledgeable about the topic, I'd like to ask you if you want to have a look at the new version, if you feel like it, and leave a comment (or improve it) if something is inaccurate or if there are any pov comments left in the article. Thanks in advance! Sietse 14:54, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

CSD on Linux editors[edit]

A tag has been placed on Linux editors, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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Jjk, see "Extended ASCII" removal Chrisjj2 (talk) 12:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tarvuism[edit]

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AfD nomination of Tarvuism[edit]

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saved comments on Sethi[edit]

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Gah! gahbage![edit]

I just deleted ALL of the refs for this article. None were from reputable sources. Virtually all of the references were links to web sites created by Sethi himself, or were links to web sites that sell his work - and they all used the same promotional "psuedo-biography" piece which cannot be considered reputable, credible or verifiable. Those Bio-pieces are typically written by the person the bio is about or by a Public relations agent. They are not ever credible.

Oh, yeah - the last link was to a jewelry trade journal which had a puff piece in it. The only factual statement made in the puff piece was that Sethi's jewelery line now has little animals in it.

Note - I did some research, the artists appears to not be notable.

I'm going to nominate this article for deletion. Jjk (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

As clarification - I think this web page is simply an advertisement. It is the only thing the user who created it has ever done. Jjk (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I googled up 1600 hits on this artist. I carefully scanned the first 400..... (and I will never do that again! ;-) )

I found no actual articles about the artist from from any reputable source . Every hit I found was either a listing for a gallery showing, or a copy of the same marketing text re-published, or re-worded and then re-published, in a fashion trends publication. ( Truly ephemeral ephemerality.... )

Fashion trends and designers come and go so fast that for any fashion designer to be considered notable they either have to have lasted a long time already, or so completely upset the apple cart of the fashion world that they are getting covered in the mainstream media, like Lady Gaga. (I'm a 53 year old suburban soccer Dad, [yeah, I coach] , and even I know who Lady Gaga is. That's Notability!  :-) ) (yes, I know Lady Gaga is a music artist not a fashion designer. Well, maybe she IS a fashion designer ... She sure as heck is visual... anyway.... )

Artist is not Notable. Delete. Jjk (talk) 18:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Accurist talk page[edit]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia this webpage was clearly created by an SEO content farmer. All but a few of the 30 citations made were all links to SEO content farms or marketing blurbs at online web stores.

frankly I think the article should be deleted

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Watches, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of watches on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.

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James Thompson online: accurist watches the history of one of the leading watch brands whois Creation Date: 24-apr-2011

"What they are called initially behind Accurist were Asher and Rebecca Loftus, who initially emerged using the aim of developing a brand of lasting value, using on the highest quality materials and time pieces because of its watches. "

The text of the article appears to be an automated translation of an article from another language, or perhaps an automated translation of an original English article into a different language and then translated back into English with another automated translation tool.

no identity to the true author, the website is owned or registered to GEORGIOS MELLIOS

Registrant Contact:

 Fax: 694793758
 KALAMARIA,  01015

reference number 2, article Alley article Alley is one of those "free web content" generation sites. Anyone can submit an article and there is no editorial oversight. The article is attributed to someone named Daniel with no last name Daniel appears to have written many articles about watches. Daniel has 127 articles on article Alley. He joined there in February of 2010 and there is no other information about him.

Conclusion Daniel may not be a real person, or Daniel may be a collection of real people, or Daniel may be an individual. However there is no indication of any expertise or credibility about the subject he is writing on and from the tags on his articles, numbering almost 60 different subjects, it is apparent, or at least very likely that he is generating content strictly to be used for SEO purposes. Ironically enough one of his topic labels is SEO.

Conclusion all articles from this author or from article Alley can be deleted as they are not credible.

Reference number 3, . Yes that is the way it is spelled for the website. is another SEO website content farming site authors biography: author has written a number of articles about time pieces and according to her biography information she has a website that sells watches and other time keeping items. There is no documentation of any professional expertise or academic background in the subject area

Conclusion: author is not a credible expert and author has a distinct conflict of interest in the area of financial gain. All citations for articles from this author and from should be deleted.

Reference number 4 the article that appears to be the same article on the history of the Accurist brand. Slightly rephrased in each paragraph. There is no attribution, no author to the website itself has no identity either. There is no information about who owns the website or who created it or what its purpose is. A quick perusal of the website shows that all the content is similarly uncredentialed and only one topic is covered: "watches"

Conclusion the website was simply and solely created for the purpose of SEO content farming. All all citations referencing these articles should be deleted the who is information for this website shows no identifying information except a customer number NCR-3287281 Creation Date: 2011-05-11 04:51:57

Reference number 5 a Google website that claims to be an Amazon affiliate. But links to which is an online web store selling guess what: watches a quick Google search reveals that the articles available on both and "" conclusion no indication of any credentials or expertise, and article is from SEO content farms. Delete the article.

Reference number 6 website yet another copy of the same Accurist history article the site claims to be a fashion blog. It was registered in 2008 and has a total of 12 articles on it.

All the articles are the same, glowing descriptions of various consumer items. None of the articles have any attribution for authors there's no evidence of any credentialing for any of the authors there is no identity as to who owns the website or is authoring the blog conclusion another SEO content farm, delete any citations from this site

Reference number 7 the URL cited is a page of marketing material for Accurist watches. There is no authorial attribution. The website in question is a online website for a retail store for Accurist watches conclusion: the article cited is a marketing brochure. There is no author cited and no evidence of credentialed expertise delete this citation and any other citations referencing this website

Reference number 8 in terms of content this site appears to be a nearly exact copy of the web store mentioned in reference number 7 indeed, clicking through the careers link at the bottom of the page brings you to: where H Samuel, Ernest Jones, and Leslie Davis are identified as the 3 different retail chain brands all run by Ernest Jones. Conclusion citation is marketing material. No credentialed expertise. Delete this citation and any other citations referencing this website

Reference number 9 the independent appears to be an actual newspaper, and the article mentions Roger Trapp as the author googling Roger Trapp shows over 8000 links and many references to him as being on the business staff at the independent as well as a number of other authorial endeavors, typically focused on business writing. Conclusion: the independent is unknown publisher of newspapers and Roger Trapp is an experienced journalist while no credentialed expertise is evident, the experience of the journalist and the reputation of the newspaper make this citation worth keeping.

Reference number 10 the article in question is a pdf file containing the list of stores that provide customer service for Versace items. There is no indication in the file that Accurist has signed up to become the distributor for Versace in the United Kingdom. Conclusion citation offers no relevant material, delete. Also remove the information the citation is referenced for as no such claim is made within the document

Reference number 11 Brand Republic is an industry journal focusing on advertising, marketing and public relations. Business journals have a wide range of levels of credibility. Some are little more than mouthpieces speaking for the various businesses in their industry segment, and others are much more trustworthy. None of them rise to the level of journalistic integrity of a publication like the independent newspaper in the United Kingdom, or the New York Times or the Boston Globe etc. fortunately this article confined itself to making a series of short statements of fact. Most of the statements are not at all notable. What is notable is that the Wikipedia article has taken the statements made in this article and interpreted them in ways that are not supported by the facts. Or presented them in a way which omitted critical information giving the reader of the Wikipedia articles a false impression of events or meaning . Conclusion: allow the citation to stand, remove information in the article which has been "spun" to give the readership false impressions

Reference number 12 the article in question references, or sites another website which focuses on celebrity or entertainment news, but no actual article was found on that website conclusion: original article cannot be found, delete the citation.

Reference number 13 the site is another online retail web store of watches and jewelry etc. the article is yet another unattributed marketing blurb. Conclusion: delete the citation

Reference number 14 Registered on: 24-Jan-2011 Registrant: Moore Domains Ltd another very small very young website with no authorial attributions for any of the content and no identification of the owner of the website or the purpose of the website. Conclusion: another SEO content farming site. Delete the citation and any other citations which reference articles from this website .

Reference number 15 Brand Republic is the business Journal in the advertising marketing media and public relations business sectors Accurist censured after complaints about indecency in watch ad by Ben Bold,, 06 July 2005, 08:30AM LONDON - Watch brand Accurist has reinforced its reputation for creating risque ads by landing itself in trouble with a magazine ad that seems to show a woman pleasuring herself. The article is behind a pay wall. Free registration is available to view a limited number of articles per month. The article limits itself to the factual statements, and quotes statements attributed to individuals interviewed for the article. Conclusion keep the citation, delete any material which the statement's in the article do not support.

Reference number 16 the author attribution is Rachel Taylor the article announces a six-figure advertising campaign for the "charmed" line. Most of the article's content is a direct quote from the Accurist spokesperson. The material which is quoted is properly shown as being quoted. The website appears to be a business journal publication focused on the professional jeweler the publisher is "ProMedia" which runs a number of business sector focused journals

conclusion the article which is cited contains very little credible material and serves mostly as a mouth piece for the advertising of the Accurist line. The factual statement of the commencement of the advertising campaign does appear to be credible. The rest the article appears to be a subjective description of the content of the ad campaign by the Accurist company spokesperson. Conclusion the portion of the citation which describes the commencement of the advertising campaign is credible. The rest of the material is not. Any material in the Wikipedia article which relies upon the citation of anything but the commencement of the advertising campaign should be removed as unsourced material.

Reference number 17 the website in question is a online retail watch store. The article cited has no authorial attribution conclusion: delete the citation, and delete any citations which rely on articles from this website

Reference number 18 the content of this website is unattributed public contributions. While the article makes interesting reading it is completely and utterly unattributed with no information about the source of the material whatsoever. Conclusion: delete the citation and any citations which rely on articles from this website

Reference number 19 this website is a publishing service for business public relation announcements. The content of this page is a news release from the watch hut which is an online retail website for watches written by Richard jarrot, who is in employee of the watch hut. Conclusion: the citation is not credible, it should be deleted and any citations which reference articles from this website should be deleted

Reference number 20 this website appears to be nothing more than a mouthpiece for any business which uses its services at the bottom of the article a long line of contact information is given for Paul Halliday at the Accurist company. Most of the content of the article is material quoted from sales director Paul Halliday of the Accurist company. Conclusion: the citation is not credible, it should be deleted and any citations which reference articles from this website should also be deleted

Reference number 21 Martin Wainwright The Guardian, Sunday 24 August 2008 the website is a well-known and credible journalistic publication. The authors also a credible journalist. The content of the article details a change to the sponsorship of the talking clock in Britain. Conclusion: the article and its attributed author and publisher are credible. Keep the citation

Reference number 22 the article "cited" is a tiny section of text from a Google books entry which is a portion of a travel guide. Travel guides are tremendously subjective documents and have no credentialed expertise. The tiny portion cited mentions the "Accurist Millennium Countdown Clock" being visible.

Reference number 23 the article cited is a tiny section of text from a Google books entry, containing a slice of a page from a magazine article. The entry is too small to determine the actual meaning or context of the mention conclusion: the article cited may or may not contain any relevant information since it cannot be seen at the URL cited. Delete the citation and any information sourced from it.

Reference number 24 another Google books entry text is too small and illegible to be of any use. Conclusion delete the citation and any material which sources it

Reference number 25 another useless Google books entry. Delete the citation and any material which sources it

Reference number 26 the site appears to be down, or the link is dead or both. Managed to get to the website through today live fetch which means the website is up but for some reason I can't get to it directly. The content of that webpage has no author and no links or references to the information it claims. Conclusion the information is not credible, the citation should be deleted and any articles citing this article should also be deleted any information in the Wikipedia article which uses the citation as a reference should be deleted as it is unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjk (talk • contribs) 03:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Reference number 27 this website appears to be collections of old advertisements the article cited appears to be a portion of an old advertisement for Accurist watches. Conclusion the citation is not credible. Delete the citation and delete any citations which reference articles from this website.

Reference number 28 another copy of that Accurist biographic material apparently written by someone from a marketing agency who also did not speak English and translated the article into their native language using some kind of automated tool and then translated back into English using and other automated tool.

The website has no authorial attributions and provides no identification of the person or business who owns the website and its purpose the who is information shows yet another website whose contact information points to Conclusion the website is another SCO content farm. conclusion: the citation is not credible and should be deleted. All citations referencing articles from this website should also be deleted. Any material which sources the citations should also be deleted

Registrant Contact:

 Jim Peters
 Jim Peters Jim Peters (
 Fax: 406-671-034
 MOLT, MT,  59057

Reference number 29 the site is a WordPress blog. There are no authorial attributions, and there is no identification of the person or business who owns the website or its purpose. The who is information reveals yet another registrant who has an e-mail address at conclusion: the website is yet another SCO content farm. Delete the citation and delete any citations which reference articles from this website. Delete any material which sourced the citations as references

Registrant Contact:

 Emad Izadfar
 Emad Izadfar Emad Izadfar (
 Fax: 35845632744
 Kajaaninlinnantie 7 C 51
 helsinki,  00900

Reference number 30 yet another copy of that history of the Accurist brand marketing brochure. The website has no authorial attributions and there is no identification of the person or the business who owns the website or its purpose. The website was registered in 2005 and it only has about 15 articles on it. There is a news entry/section which has 5 articles on it all of them containing the word watches. 2 of them are laughably contextually inappropriate as they have nothing to do with timepieces. One has to do with watching 2 thieves steal kayaks and the other has to do with a crimewatch which unless it's referring to the crime that that website constitutes itself because of its poor content is probably not what they wanted. Conclusion: the website is yet another SCO content farm. Delete the citation and delete any citations which reference articles from this website

Jjk (talk) 03:22, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Accurist Page[edit]

Hi JjK

Hope you are well.

I am writing with regards the Accurist Watches page.

As I have deep knowledge about the company, I tried to build its page.

However, I noticed you changed it.

I understand the references I used are not academic, however there are no academic sources for this company.

My intention was not to drive traffic to those websites, I am not an SEO content farmer. I have no idea about SEO!

When I first started writing this article, the user Fish&Karate reviewed it and said the article was very good.

As I am new to Wikipedia, could you, please, advice on that?

Kind regards

Harryapostol (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC).

Flagged sources[edit]

Hi! Normally when testing things like Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Flagged sources, you should do it in your own userspace. Some projects maintain their own lists, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. I also have a list I created for my own personal use: User:Odie5533/VG Source Reliability. --Odie5533 (talk) 10:46, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

You should be able to go here and move it to User:Jjk/Flagged_sources. I understand the description. I believe all sources are conditional, and so using the searchbox at the top of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is the best option. --Odie5533 (talk) 18:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Accurist Page[edit]

Hi Jjk,

Thanks for your message on my Talk page and your advice.

As I told you before, there are no ACADEMIC sources for Accurist company.

However, when I started building its page, my guide was the pages of other watch companies, such as Citizen, Bulova, Casio and Rolex.

If you see the Citizen page ( they are ONLY using their own website as a source. RELIABLE? Not according to you.

If you see the Bulova page ( they are using both their website and other websites, which do not seem very reliable, according to what you wrote me.

If you see the Casio page ( their ONLY reference is their official website and corporate website. Also, another website, which actually does not work. RELIABLE? Not according to you. Plus, they have images of their products. Not advertising?

If you see the Rolex page ( they are using their official website and the website of their child brand (Tudor) and images of their products. However, I should recognise that the Rolex page is using many reliable sources (magazines, newspapers etc).

All the above imply to me that either the sources I used for the Accurist page should be acceptable, or the pages of the above brands should be deleted as well.

Otherwise, I could just reference the Accurist website, if that is acceptable.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Harryapostol (talk) 10:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

from: Talk:Citizen_Holdings Removed citation sourcing Citizen's sponsorship ad page[edit]

Deleted the citation referencing the sponsorship ad on the Citizens company website. The nonprofit organizations that run those events each have their own websites and will very likely have a page listing the companies which are sponsoring the event or events. Those pages would make excellent citations for that part of this article. They do not have a financial interest in being promoted on the web.

Marketing/sales materials don't make credible sources[edit]

Advertisement's, even when only announcing a sponsorship, are financially promoting a company. That is in direct conflict with being a credible source. As a general rule of thumb, advertisements or other forms of marketing or promotional material are non-credible and usually don't make good material for citations or references for Wikipedia articles because they don't meet the standards for credibility and reliability.

Please make sure the citations that are put into Wikipedia articles meet the definitions and standards described in the Wikipedia policy article on verifiability. The shortcut to that page is on the right hand side of this section.

SEO Link SPAM[edit]

Another problem with using advertisements or business' own promotional material for a citation is the hordes of hired SEO-agents promoting businesses on the web. Many, (if not most), of those agents will use Wikipedia to promote their client/company. They do this mainly by trying to create links from Wikipedia to their clients business or websites. A Wikipedia reference that cites a business website from a Wikipedia article makes that business much more visible in search rankings. When this is done, John Q's Public's eyes will believe that business is much more trustworthy and has better products, generating more sales for the business. And the SEO spammers will have successfully turned Wikipedia into a sales tool.

When Wikipedia is even partially used as sales and marketing system, it erodes Wikipedia's credibility and reputation for quality. Eventually that can discourage Wikipedia editors. Over time it could cause some editors to quit. That can turn into a self-feeding loop which emits more discouragement every cycle, eventually corroding the moral of the editors to the point where some leave. Which in turn affects others.. etc and can snowball into large numbers abandoning Wikipedia. To prevent all the problems described above links from Wikipedia to businesses need to be carefully considered before being added, to prevent Wikipedia from being damaged or from being used as a promotional or marketing tool.

WP will link to businesses.[edit]

Of course Wikipedia will always have some links to businesses. How could it not? Wikipedia has tons of articles on businesses, and each article will probably have a link to its subject. Just most of the time it probably shouldn't be a citation or reference. There's a substantial conflict between Wikipedia's purpose and goals, and a business' purposes and goals. If a business is allowed to edit WP to achieve their goals, it pushes WP farther away from its own purposes.

The same applies to the links to all of Citizen's regional and national headquarters. Does their presence make the article better? One link to the list at Citizen's web site would be enough.

Businesses bid to become sponsors because it's a great way to advertise. Marketing departments know from experience how much sales will increase from the advertising it allows them to do. They know their donation will return many times over in increased revenue. The business' Sponsorship announcement is part of the media campaign to associate their Brand with the exciting/elegant sporting event. Businesses produce sponsorship advertisements to market their products and brand. In the past that companies have claimed sponsorships which they did not actually have and used small media campaigns to promote their fake sponsorship. Ambush_marketing

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Adrian Schoolcraft[edit]

Hello, Jjk. Why did you remove the Infobox from Adrian Schoolcraft? jhawkinson (talk) 20:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi John. I didn't intend to remove any info box. I'll check on it. (re Adrian Schoolcraft) Thanks for the note. jjk

update - someone fixed it. if it was you, you have my thanks. Jjk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjk (talkcontribs) 16:11, 30 November 2013‎

Hi, Jjk. Sorry, I've been on a bit of a wikibreak, I didn't mean to not reply to you from October. No, it wasn't me. But by the way, please don't edit User pages, as you just did for me this morning. You can edit the User talk pages, but not the User pages. That is, edit User talk:Jhawkinson but not User: Jhawkinson. Thanks! jhawkinson (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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WP:Dead link[edit]

Hello, Jjk. I reverted you here, per WP:Dead link. Flyer22 (talk) 00:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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