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PTC history

I've noticed a lot of misinformation about the coasters built by PTC. Philadelphia Toboggan Company (PTC) stopped building coasters in 1979. Please see my citation on that page. It seems a lot of websites refer to RCDB, which is a wonderful source, but it must be read carefully. There are two parts for manufacturer, the coaster and the trains. Please don't take a quick glance at the page and if you see PTC as the manufacturer, assume they built the whole ride. You must note where the manufacturer is listed. If it is under "Trains" then that is all they built, not the entire coaster.

ie:

Cannonball, a perfect example of coaster that was built by PTC and so were the trains. Note that PTC is listed twice: http://www.rcdb.com/348.htm

Hoosier Hurricane: built by Custom Coasters with trains by PTC http://www.rcdb.com/270.htm

Grizzly: It was actually built in-house by the Taft Broadcasting Company with trains by PTC, but I've seen a lot of sources attribute the entire coaster to PTC. Note that PTC only appears under the trains. http://www.rcdb.com/90.htm

Hopkins Rides

Thanks to everyone who helped with the Hopkins Rides lists — updating park names, wiki links, and finding the names of all the rides. I have moved all that content onto the Hopkins Rides page. I think it has now become a very informative article. I think a lot of people will surprised to see how many Hopkins water attractions there are.JlACEer (talk) 21:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, could you please stop re-adding Hopkins onto the WhiteWater page, please? I am the communications specialist at WhiteWater and our management do not wish to be associated with Hopkins rides for legal reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharraleigh (talk • contribs) 21:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

WhiteWater acquired Hopkins Rides, it is part of your history.—JlACEer (talk) 22:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

P.T.C. Family Wooden Coasters

Hi JlACEer. There is currently a discussion underway at Talk:Woodstock Express (Carowinds)#Merge in regards with a series of family wooden roller coasters manufactured by Philadelphia Toboggan Coasters. If there is any information that you could add to the discussion, that would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Themeparkgc  Talk  07:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

see reply Talk:Woodstock_Express_(Carowinds)#Merge --Nickvet419 (talk) 19:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey man. Back to the discussion about Wonderland's wooden coasters. Here's the list of PTC coasters that are currently in operation. I think RCDB's got some wrong information and I'm just curious to hear what reasons you have to believe that Beast and Minebuster aren't PTC? https://www.philadelphiatoboggancoastersinc.com/active-rides/historic-wooden-roller-coasters/ Dario Sunseri (talk) 13:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

That is not a list of PTC coasters, that page show coasters that are running PTC trains. There are projects listed here that were built by Bill Cobb, CCI, Gravity Group, Intamin, Dinn & Summers, KECO, S&S and more. The information on RCDB is not wrong.—JlACEer (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

My mistake then, you are correct. I wrote up some ideas on my talk page if you wouldn't mind taking a look. Dario Sunseri (talk) 12:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Curtis D. Summers

I'm sorry about some of the edits, I'm just trying to get this article cleaned up just like you so we can make it a real page. Just a few things, do you have a source about Raging Wolf Bobs being demolished? i searched and I couldn't find anything and I was at the water park during the summer this year and I didn't really look but i believe it is still there? I know me seeing it isn't a reliable source but just seeing if you have one. Also about the status of the coasters, it being lower case doesn't look right. When i look at other articles with the status, the O is capitalized and I feel it looks sloppy if its not capitalized. The article looks great too. --Astros4477 (talk) 20:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

When I had dinner with Lenny Adams last Christmas he said he was in the process of removing the coaster. I will check with a friend of mine who lives really close to the park, maybe he can see if it is still there. I think Adams is out of town on a project so I don't know if I can get a hold of him. You're not confusing this with Big Dipper are you? Big Dipper is still there.

Overuse of capitalization is something that the Associated Press is trying get writers to avoid. I don't like seeing single words or even short phrases capitalized unless it is a full sentence. If, however, Wiki has a standard for tables, then we can do whatever the standard is. Can you give me an example of a table with the status in it?

Oh and please don't call Giant a Hybrid, it's kind of a pet peeve of mine. I cringe every time SFOT releases something with the word hybrid.JlACEer (talk) 20:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I understand, I just wanted to clear it up. Im totally fine with moving Hybrid coasters into the roller coaster article too. I didnt realize that wasnt an official term in the roller coaster industry.

Heres some examples of tables with the status, List of Arrow Dynamics roller coasters, Gerstlauer, Custom Coasters International, Premier Rides. --Astros4477 (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I see your point. I also looked at RCDB and the ACE online census, and both capitalize Operating in their tables as well. Because of the subsequent edits, Wiki won't allow me to "undo" it, it says it must be done manually. I'm probably done for the evening, but can work on it tomorrow. If you have the time this evening, feel free to fix it — again — I promise not to undo it this time.JlACEer (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I think this page is ready to go liveJlACEer (talk) 19:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I saw that you said Raging Wolf Bobs is in the process of being removed, by any chance do u have a source so I can post that on the coasters article too? --Astros4477 (talk) 20:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Just a conversation with Lenny Adams of Structural Technologies during which he said he was in the process of taking it down. I think it's a low priority for the company and I really don't know how far he was gotten with the disassembly project. I remember he said that all the steel running rail is gone and that they had started to remove some of the wooden structure. I wouldn't update any pages yet. Once the waterpark opens, someone should be able to see if it is still there or if any parts have been removed.

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Hyper/Giga discussion

Hey, and thanks for enlightening us as to who coined the term "hypercoaster". I honestly wasn't sure if it was something Arrow called it or if Cedar Point set its marketing team loose on the plans. --McDoobAU93 00:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Observation towers

Are some observation towers amusement rides? If so, seems it should be reinstated on the List of amusement rides page, from where it was recently deleted. If it isn't, seems the lead to List of Intamin rides needs to be revised. 92.40.133.219 (talk) 16:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they should be rides. I fixed the Amusement Rides page to link observation towers to the List of Intamin Rides page. Intamin, however, is not the only manufacturer, so at some point a new page, perhaps Observation towers (rides), should be created.JlACEer (talk) 17:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

From your friendly page watcher — I know Gyro tower has its own page and those are observation towers. What's the difference between a Gyro tower and an Observation tower? We could convert the Gyro tower page into the Observation tower page. --Astros4477 (talk) 17:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Intamin has four static towers at Kings Island, Kings Dominion, Six Flags Over Texas and Six Flags Magic Mountain. Plus there is another at Elitch Gardens that was built by someone else. There's also the Blackpool Tower that I think is near (or in) the park. I would think that most people consider these to be rides (since they are at an amusement park). Intamin also has the Flying Island rides that can also be considered observation rides (or towers). Since the Gyro tower page doesn't have that much information, perhaps the static towers should be added and then the page changes to Observation towers (rides).JlACEer (talk) 17:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

What exactly is a static tower? Also I assume when you talk about them at Kings Island and Kings Dominion, your talking about the Eiffel towers. I support the Gyro tower page changing to the Observation tower too.

Just a note, I have a few projects I'm doing right now but I plan on making a page for the Eiffel towers at KI and KD. Are those Intamin towers?--Astros4477 (talk) 17:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

By static tower I mean one that doesn't have a cabin that goes up and down but instead uses an elevator and an observation platform where guests can walk around. I'll try to find a source on the Eiffel Tower for KI. I read somewhere that Intamin designed that tower for Angus Wynne for Six Flags, but he didn't want an Eiffel replica in his Texas park, so they came up with the Oil Derrick. When Taft started planning KI and wanted a tower, Intamin presented them with the Eiffel tower plans they had drawn up for Six Flags.JlACEer (talk) 18:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

How about adding a section dedicated to observation towers as amusement rides to the Observation tower article? 92.40.133.219 (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Vortex (Kings Island)

I saw your note about the Vortex not being the tallest roller coaster when it opened in 1987. So I started searching and sure enough, I wasn't able to locate a reliable source that actually says it was. But then I started looking for an existing coaster that was around in 1987 that was taller than 148 ft. I haven't had any luck finding one yet. I assume you know one? —GoneIn60 (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, so it looks like it comes down to these two: Dragon Mountain and Montezooma's Revenge. DM has a lift that climbs 186 ft up the side of a hill, but there are two problems with it. First, the train and track are never that far off the ground. Everything is built into the terrain which just happens to rise that far above surrounding terrain. Second, the highest drop is only 80 ft. That makes for misleading stats. MR's problem is simple. It's a shuttle loop coaster that doesn't complete a full circuit, and it's max drop height is 137 ft. With careful wording, we should be able to find a way to give some credit back to the Vortex. —GoneIn60 (talk) 07:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget Moonsault Scramble. Although I appreciate the rewrite, there are still a few problems. Vortex did not break several records, just one — possibly two. The footings were not reused on the new coaster. They are still visible — but they were not reused. These fan websites that you cite are not reliable sources. I could find no evidence of the stairs being reused other than on these two fan websites, which are full of other errors — but I won't get into that now. Note that the two sites contradict each other on the location of the reused stairs. I'll leave the stairs for now, but I am going to fix the rest.JlACEer (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Moonsault Scramble, like Montezooma'a Revenge, is a shuttle roller coaster. So if the Vortex is referred to in the context of being a full-circuit roller coaster, then the appropriate distinction is being made and shuttle coasters can be ignored (or honorably mentioned if desired). By the way, I concur with your assessment regarding the reliability of "fan" websites. They are cited too often throughout amusement ride articles. Kings Island Central has been referenced in other publications such as newspapers and is typically given more credit than other fan sites, but it is still a fan site nonetheless. Until a more reliable source can be located, I agree to disregard the stairs and other details that aren't obvious from photos. —GoneIn60 (talk) 04:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I like the way it is worded now. Mentioning tallest, full-circuit should avoid any debate. The websites are unfortunate, as those two sites have some interesting information, but I see too many errors to trust any of it. The misspellings and grammatical errors alone are enough to scare me away.JlACEer (talk) 12:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Also see Don't use two spaces after a period.☺ JlACEer (talk) 12:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Appreciate the advice, but I see that as a style preference! You may want to read this response to the Slate blog post you referenced. History supports the double-space preference, even if it may not be as widely accepted today. Wikipedia automatically disregards the extra space anyway when displaying text - being a limitation of the HTML format. You will only see it reappear when editing. Also, Wikipedia has its own article on sentence spacing which in summary says the debate is far from settled. I tend to agree! —GoneIn60 (talk) 04:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting response. I didn't know there were proponents still out there for the old two-space rule. I figured it was all leftover from the typewriter days. It's good to know wiki ignores them anyway. I learned to type on a typewriter, so I was also taught the two-space rule. When I stated using desktop publishing I was advised to change it it to one space.JlACEer (talk) 12:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Found more information, see Talk:Vortex (Kings Island)

Bolliger & Mabillard Catalogues

Hi! Yesterday I was searching around the internet trying to find the yearly Bolliger & Mabillard catalogues as I wanted to take a look at one but couldn't find anything. Themeparkgc (talk · contribs) directed me to you as you work for a trade magazine that apparently has access to these catalogues. I was hoping that you could maybe take a picture of the 2012 catalogue and send it to me as I have never seen one of B&M' catalogues and have been dying (not litlerally) to see one.--Dom497 (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Please send a private email and include your email address so we can communicate. You can send email through this user page (left hand column under toolbox).JlACEer (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi JlACEer. A discussion has come up here about B&M's logo. I was wondering if you could check through any publications you have from B&M and see if this logo was ever actually used. It seems the logo has appeared on Wikipedia with little trace of where it actually came from. Thanks Themeparkgc  Talk  23:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

2006 Golden Ticket Awards PDF

Hey JIACEer, do you know where I can find the 2006 GTA PDF? I can't find it anywhere online, I wanted to find out if HalloWeekends was ranked in the Best Halloween Event category in 2006. It was ranked 5th in 2005, 2007 and 2008. Thanks, --Astros4477 (talk) 00:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a PDF, but I do have physical copies of all the issues. It was 5th in 2006 also.JlACEer (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!--Astros4477 (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

GTA Mean Streak and Blue Streak rankings

Hey JIACEer, would you mind checking to see where Mean Streak and Blue Streak (Cedar Point) ranked in the 1998, 99, 2000, 01, 02, and 06 Golden Ticket Awards? I'm sorry if its a hassle, I just wanna add the most info possible and these aren't online. Thanks, --Astros4477 (talk) 23:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

1998 — only top 25 listed, Mean Streak was 21 and Blue Streak was not listed

1999 — top 25 only, Mean Streak 18

2000 — top 25 only, Mean Streak 16

2001 — top 25 only, neither coaster made the list

2002 — top 25 only, neither coaster made the list

2003 is when they started listing the top 50

2006 — Blue Streak 38, Mean Streak did not make the list

JlACEer (talk) 20:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Astros4477 (talk) 02:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Re:Car Rides by D.H. Morgan

Hi JlACEer, the edit to the D.H. Morgan page is correct. Having worked the Be-Bop Blvd attraction at Michigan's Adventure the manufacturer is definitely D.H. Morgan Manufacturing. It is also displayed on the manufacturer's plate on the north track's control panel. The Dollywood model is also of D.H. Morgan origin, as per the manufacturer's plate on the west track's control panel. Both are dual-track models using the 50's cars with radios.

When Chance acquired Morgan back in 2001, Chance adopted the electric car ride model into their lineup, of which Be-Bop Blvd is the base model featured in their technical marketing materials today. The Michigan's Adventure model was installed prior to the 2001 season under D.H. Morgan, but opened the following season in 2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.110.117 (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I was hoping that someone would have seen a nameplate on the ride. Do we need change MA's entry to 2002?—JlACEer (talk) 00:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Amusement Park Quarter 2, 2013 Newsletter

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21:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Kings Island attractions

When you get a chance, would you mind commenting on the discussion here? I'd like to get a few more opinions if possible. Thanks! --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Can you please take another look at the talk page? Thanks! :) --Dom497 (talk) 20:53, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Amusement Park Quarter 3, 2013 Newsletter

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Edit-a-thon for Ramona Park

Hello -

I am working with the East Grand Rapids MI Public Library as they embark on a GLAM project. I'm a mid-newbie, which is why I'm reaching out....

East Grand Rapids was the home to Ramona Park and to the Jack Rabbit Derby Racer [1]. As a kick-off project they would like to expand Ramona Park during an edit-a-thon. The Library is home to a local history room - a room filled to the ceiling with memorabilia, photos and artifacts from Ramona Park.

The plan is to upload much of this material via Commons (hopefully before the edit-a-thon on October 19, 2013 - coincidentally during Wikipedia Loves Libraries month).

One problem - there are few locally evident Wikipedia editors to actually show up at the library for an edit-a-thon.

Do you think if we set up a Google hangout, you might be interested enough to remote in? There is a possibility of a cool tee-shirt [2] donated by the library, too!

I might be able to provide you/this project with a preview of the historical materials - it seems to me there might be more than one article to create.

Also I've come up with a DYK candidate: Did you know that President Gerald Ford worked at Ramona Park, home to one of three derby racers in the US? (The Ford part is true, not quite sure of the derby racer stat, though!)

Thanks for your consideration, Bdcousineau (talk) 00:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Arrow Development History

Hi -

I'm Dexter Francis (DWmFrancis). Thank you for your thank you on my edit to the Arrow Article. I'm currently researching the history of Arrow and agree completely that there is a lot of cut and past information about their history and role in the Disney story. I'm trying to sort out the facts from the opinions by using public records as much as possible. If you'd like to stay in touch on this please feel free to contact me at dwmfrancis@gmail.com

DWmFrancis (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello again - I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at an eBook I'm writing on the history of Arrow Development. If so, please reply to dwmfrancis@gmail.com.

DWmFrancis (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Iron Rattler

This user helped promote Iron Rattler to good article status.

Well done. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 13:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)