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Help With a Dispute[edit]

Hello Jamie,

If you have a free moment, I would value your input in this discussion at Patent_encumbrance_of_large_automotive_NiMH_batteries - "Burdens of proof for lack of clarity"

I do not think you are an expert in the subject matter of the article, but I think you could provide guidance as to who has the burden of proof when editors wish to insert unsupported claims that an company (or other entity) has NOT done something. Thanks very much. Ebikeguy (talk) 15:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Ebikeguy (talk) 15:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Account Suspension[edit]

Hi Jamie,

Please contact me regarding the blocks that have been put on this shared account as I would like to clarify any misunderstandings. Thanks! (MonicaFORA) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MonicaFORA (talkcontribs) 17:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Not sure which "shared account" you are talking about, but I'm guessing you're talking about an account that was blocked for repeat spamming. (Also, "shared accounts" are not permitted anyway). Nothing else to say; we don't allow link canvassing here, and block accounts that continue to do it after receiving sufficient warnings. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Help needed in dispute[edit]

Hey Jamie, as an uninvolved admin, can you have a look at this discussion, and bring some closure to it? Also, having a look at the contribs of this user, could this be classified as a SPA? Yes Michael?Talk 17:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm getting quite tired of that discussion; I want it to end either way. I don't want to edit war or something. Could you try and bring it to a conclusion? Thanks. Yes Michael?Talk 13:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Not Spamming[edit]

Hi Jamie, when a user adds information to an article that isn't already listed in the article (I think it's called contributing) and they cite that information, why on earth would that be spamming? We worked long and hard gathering data from the CDC, EPA, NPMA, and other authoritative sources to create (in my opinion) the most up-to-date, creative infographic surrounding the topic of bed bugs that the web has seen. It's cited material, and presents facts that are not on the official "Bed Bug" wiki page. Trust me, I know what spamming is. Did you even look at the site I linked to? It's frustrating when I'm actually providing unique content to the wiki page, and you're calling it spam. Do you disagree that the current top-ten infested cities in the United States should be listed there? I think everyone would appreciate that information.Noahlocke (talk) 21:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I work long and hard to keep people from using Wikipedia as an advertising medium. You're welcome to add information using government/educational institution sources. If you add a link to your business again, your account will be blocked. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:58, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
So if a company creates unique content through proper research you don't allow it? That is not consistent with what I see on most Wiki pages, rather just the ones you edit. It seems that you work long and hard to keep great content from Wikipedia. There is nothing promotional about The Pest Nest, or the infographic that we made. Censorship is not part of Wikipedia, and we are not advertising.Noahlocke (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not discussing it further. See also WP:COI. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Your editing is disappointing.Noahlocke (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
The feeling is mutual. Your time would be better spent investigating other SEO strategies, ones that don't involve Wikipedia. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, James, because Wikipedia uses the "no-follow" tag, external links from Wikipedia don't offer any help in search engine rankings. But you knew that already. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noahlocke (talkcontribs) 22:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I do. I also know that unlike your site, Wikipedia is in the top 10 (usually number one) search results for "bed bug". Bye. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Jamie, this argument is not about spammy links, its about one persons mission to have purity and non-commerciality, at the expense of genuine quality content. Its not a question of investigating other 'SEO techniques' - if an article is describing a topic that is remotely commercial, then it makes total sense that the EL may include (god forbid) some websites that actually are a profit generating business. Just because wikipedia is purely no ads and not for profit, making all EL bereft of any commercial organisation is not just short sighted and damaging for WP long term, it is simply wrong. You do not own the web. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Continue to add the link and you'll be blocked. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, lets be serious - what is it about the site that is spammy!? People who visit the site via wiki stick around, read, add comments... therefore indicating that it is VALUABLE. A simple 'you will be blocked' isn't acceptable, we need to know why you choose to remove the site link — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

See WP:COI. I'm not discussing it further. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Question about editing provider lists[edit]

Hi Jamie. I am new to wiki updates and I admit that I am motivated by including a provider list as I represent one of the companies on the list, but if the external link is provided simply to link back to their respective company wiki page, is that a violation? You removed my edit for Colocation business provider list yesterday so I'm assuming it is; just want to get clarity. Thanks so much.

Yes, per WP:EL and WP:COI. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

middleton redirect[edit]

As reverter please join in and explain on the article talkpage., thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

If you fail to join in the discussion I will feel free to revert you. Off2riorob (talk) 19:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Patience, please. I just answered. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Newbie Misuderstanding?[edit]

Hi Jamie,

I'm responding to your note. Being new to Wikipedia I did read several dozen or close to a hundred other articles before attempting to edit or contribute myself. I find many with links similar to those I attempted such as:

  • Line with external link to Behind the Name by Zilariah15
  • Abigail linked to
  • Elektra linked to Behind the Name by MegSimpson

Really, I thought my contributions were better than theirs because I added useful content such as meanings of names for those that didn't have them plus a reference. It is my site, but I feel that it's a valid reference for the information I provided.

Reading your talk page, I see you deleted links to another user's blog that turned out to be pretty cool so you later reversed the action.

Will you check out my site to see if my adds and references were ok? I hope they were.

Thanks, smerscha Talk 23:47, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

We don't allow contributors to canvas links to a single site, especially when there is a likely WP:COI issue. If any of the above users mentioned were systematically canvassing links, the links should be removed as well. However, if they were one-off good faith efforts to provide a source, that's a different issue (unless the site clearly doesn't meet WP:Reliable sources guidelines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Kneževo rename warrior[edit]

I am not sure if you are aware of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Nemanjic. It seems to me that RBI is the best approach here. As I am not an admin I can only do the R and I parts. Hans Adler 15:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. If they start jumping IPs, I can protect as well. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. This user normally gives up quickly and only comes back after many weeks. If he tries again and you want to protect the article, I think 2 days of semiprotection would be plenty. Hans Adler 15:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
OK. It's on my watchlist, so we'll wait and see. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

User:Extremistpullup, pull-up (exercise) and reversions[edit]

I notice you two seem to be going at each other in the history yet without much commentary, would it be possible for you to come to the talk page and express what's happening and the kind of disputes, that it might be mediated? I plan to take a look at the changes but at a glance I'm not entirely sure what's going on. DB (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

There's no need to discuss obvious spam on the article's discussion page. I blocked the user, who then deleted the warnings and block notice on their talk page. I had no interest in the "pullup/chinup" dispute. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Yeah when I took a closer look (hadn't actually reviewed them all) it was clear you were removing ads. There's probably dozens if not hundreds of similar pages about it. That's also why I separated this one you removed, I usually don't delete things for fear of offending people but I don't mind fact-tagging them or making them more apparent for others who might do so. This pull vs. chin dispute is intense though, I like this whole ACE vs. Marines thing. DB (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


Hey, sorry to bother you again; but could you remove my enforced wikibreak (for my main account) here? I try to take a break, but I usually fail :( . Thanks. Yes Michael?Talk 19:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes Michael?Talk 05:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Will you tell me how to unlock Hosur article?[edit]

I want to delete and add few contents at Hosur article... will u tell me how i can do the same? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

You'll need to tell me exactly what you want to delete/add. You can't unlock it yourself. It's protected for a reason. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I placed my thread in wrong noticeboard[edit]

Sorry I placed my thread in wrong noticeboard, I didn't see the other comment.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, we all make mistakes. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


Did you maybe jump the gun on reverting this? CTJF83 16:08, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it was a little kneejerk (assumed it was another sock). That said, I don't think it needs to be qualified like that "a gay kiss." Per caption guidelines (for the visually impaired), would have made more sense to caption it as "two men engage in a passionate kiss" or something along those lines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Ya, definitely not hating on you for the revert, it's an easy mistake, given the user is red, and recent vand on the page. I'll change the caption to your suggestion, I like it. CTJF83 16:14, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Drum Kit Video Deletion[edit]

I added this video on the Drum Kit article because it encompasses what the article is about. I specifically dedicated my time and work into this video to showcase drumming which is why I object your deletion of the video. Not only that, this video is for a class project where we are learning the basics of Wikipedia. Drummergirl3 (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a how-to manual. You won't find instructional videos in other articles either. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm the instructor for the course Drummergirl3 is participating in. We're part of Wikiproject Lights Camera Wiki, which is specifically collecting videos related to music and other topics for which moving images and would would be helpful to illustrate comments. Since Drummergirl3 is brand new to Wikipedia and operating in student mode, and since Wikipedia is struggling to attract female editors, I also want to remind you about WP:BITE. Jgmikulay (talk) 19:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I said nothing WP:BITEy to her. I've been editing since 2006, so you don't need to lecture me on Wikipedia policies. The video doesn't add anything to the article. Wikipedia is not a place to post video's of oneself learning to play the drums. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Not a lecture... just asking for a little patience and respect. Jgmikulay (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jamie. Free content educational videos are of value to the encyclopedia, as yet another outlet through which to convey encyclopedic information (alongside the more established text, photos, diagrams, and sound recordings). Video, like any other medium, comes in many shapes and it is important that we do not overlook the encyclopedic uses of new technology, and also work to develop the nuances of best encyclopedic practice with this new medium. I'd like to invite you to look at the Wikipedia Video and Education Working Group for more on this. Thanks!--Pharos (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not against the use of a video in an article per se. I'm saying this particular video doesn't add anything to the page. Watch the video for yourself. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'm not saying it's the world's greatest drum kit video, but I do think we should allow a little leeway and room for evolving standards whenever we start to use a whole new medium for encyclopedic information. Certainly our first generations of articles and images were to lesser standards than what there is today, but I still think these had an important historical role to play in actually developing those standards.--Pharos (talk) 22:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm fairly confident that an WP:RFC would establish an easy consensus that the video in question is not appropriate for the article. I'm trying to be nice and avoiding getting specific, but I will if you insist. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Heather Lewis Deletion[edit]

I'm wondering why you deleted the Heather Lewis (drummer & singer for Beat Happening) page. Without seeing what was written there, it's impossible for me to know whether the deletion was appropriate, but Beat Happening was a very influential group and Heather's vocals are a key component of the band's sound. In addition, she has done guest vocals for other groups, so it seems appropriate that she would have her own entry for other articles to link to. I came to Wikipedia specifically to look up information on her work only to find that her entry had been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that was two years ago. In any case, I'm familiar with Beat Happening. Probably shouldn't have been speedied, but unlike Calvin Johnson, it doesn't appear that Lewis is notable for anything else as far as I know. Notice the last line in this section of Music notability guidelines:

Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article. I've created the redirect. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the redirect, though I would still respectfully submit that she deserves her own page. She was in the Supreme Cool Beings, who are notable for having the first ever release on K Records (see here for details). And she has contributed vocals to several Land of the Loops songs, including their big single "Multi-family Garage Sale." I'm sure she's probably been involved in other stuff I don't know about, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S. It looks like she also did guest vocals for two songs on the Wedding Present's Watusi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I have a Land of the Loops CD with that song on it. Sounds like she's done enough outside of Beat Happening to warrant a page. Feel free to overwrite the redirect and expand the article. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!-- (talk) 17:53, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


Hello: I have just discovered that you have been, and still are, active editing the Angola article. As I have now also started to do so, may I ask whether this is a field in which you are specializing? Aflis (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I mainly patrol it for vandalism and spam. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh Yes It's Book Spam[edit]

Can I zap all of these? [1] Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

By all means, please do. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
It will be my pleasure. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Double checking: Does that mean booting the url out of the citation in cases like this? just goes to a site selling the book, but provides nothing else. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
FYI to your stalkers: I think I found it. "Do not use this field to link to any commercial booksellers (such as". I will remove them. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good. I don't hesitate to remove references if they're to commercial sites or sites that don't otherwise meet reliable sources. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
58 done. None remain. If you know any other such book seller urls, just tell me. I know the drill, and will be happy to zap them. Thanks! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for asking anyway. I wonder how much tacit knowledge you have of vandals and their distinctive characteristics. Later, Drmies (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

A few. I didn't make the connection with this one until his last comment, and after noticing the similarities of his username to a recently blocked username. I first ran into the "disassembling" bandit at Japanese Tsunami related articles. Apparently he's expanded his horizons of disassembly. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

IP Vandal back[edit]

See this edit. The page was just unprotected, and I think the same guy who vandalised it before is back. Maybe it needs protection again? Yes Michael?Talk 09:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I gave him another 6 month vacation. That's plenty of time for him to learn to speak Kannada. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I admire his perseverance though :P Thanks. Yes Michael?Talk 14:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I want to know what sock puppetry is? (talk) 07:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)Sock Puppetry is the use of multiple accounts to deceive other editors, disrupt discussions, distort consensus, avoid sanctions, or otherwise violate community standards. Lynch7Talk 08:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Heather Lewis (musician)[edit]

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The article Heather Lewis (musician) has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners or ask at Wikipedia:Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. joe deckertalk to me 04:08, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Requesting sockpuppet block[edit]

Hello. Sorry to bother you, but can you block Romar9123 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log)? Based on his MO, this is surely as sockpuppet of Christian2941 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). An second SPI has been filed in relation to this. And while we're at it, can you also block the succeeding potential usernames (such as "Romar9124," "Romar9125," "Romar9126," etc.). It is very likely he would use those potential usernames in making a new account. Thanks in advance. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 17:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Medical Malpracte page edit[edit]

Greetings. Just received your message. My apologies as I wasn't trying to add any extra links. I was trying to cite my source. It has been ages since I have edited a page on Wikipedia, so this is a bit new to me. My intent was to add a sub-section regarding medical malpractice insurance from a recent document I read. Where did I go wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicalmaster123 (talkcontribs) 19:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Using a commercial link as a reference is where you went wrong. See WP:Reliable sources and WP:ELNO. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Jamie, I did not intend to add commercial link. I just found it very resourceful when it popped up in Google news regarding some of the broad topics within medical malpractice and thought it could help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicalmaster123 (talkcontribs) 19:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

That's fine. Just don't add it (or similar links) in the future and we'll all be happy. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


Do you really mean that French sources are not good enough fo you?? do you only accept american ones???? very strange!!! a French source (a famous magazine, a journal on line, and so on) are reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicsandletters (talkcontribs) 16:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

As I've already said, read WP:BLP. To include controversial material about a living person, you need multiple 3rd-party sources. As it stands now, the only source I find for this is the primary source (i.e., the blog of the individual making the accusation). That's not enough. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Are you blind??? i gave several sources in the "discussion" page... there are more than 3 reliable sources (Tetu,, and do on : i gave the quotations, and the links...) Your bad faith is amazing and unbearable...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicsandletters (talkcontribs)

As is your inability to read and comprehend WP:BLP. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:43, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit removed - wrong user. --Yankees76 Talk 17:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

MM123 didn't post the recent stuff. It was Politicsandletters, who's already closed to being blocked for BLP and edit-warring. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Whoops Wrong user! And yes Politicsandletters, please watch the personal attacks. Also consider this - is one person accusing someone of plagiarism really notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia? If you're struggling this bad to find sources, probably not. --Yankees76 Talk 17:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

block escape[edit]

Purple0ckofficial blanked his talk page just 3 min. after you blocked him.--1966batfan (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't care, really. Blocked users are usually allowed to access their talk page if they want to appeal for an unblock. Blanking the page doesn't "unblock them," though some seem to think that it will. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) JUst an FYI, 1966 WP:OWNTALK CTJF83 21:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


In February you blocked User:Jtodesdude. There have been two recent edits by IP editor, to archives concerning warnings to User:Jtodesdude. I suspect that IP editor is a sockpuppet of User:Jtodesdude.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

manning dot com[edit]

I'm not clear anymore if the links should stay or go. [2] Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's how I approach things like this. The manning links aren't inappropriate per se; WP:SPAs canvassing them was. I remove everything that's been canvassed (i.e., following the spammer's contributions) but will usually leave links alone that may have been added in good faith by uninvolved editors. I'll take a closer look at the Windows PowerShell history to try to figure out who added the link and/or if it's necessary. OhNoitsJamie Talk 12:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
That makes sense. Thank you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Urban Outfitters[edit]

Just wanted to say that was very decent of you to come back and undo the delete you did a few days ago when you saw the article from the Consumerist. I was wondering if you do that when the event became a little more widely known :) Thanks.Whodoesdo (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)