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Hi Ozob, I've sent you email. Paul August ☎ 18:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
		Your work on this contributor copyright investigation is very much appreciated. Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

MoS markup messup

What process was used to create this edit to the Manual of Style? Was it some external editor? It generated some real howlers in the resulting page. Eubulides (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

:-O I had no idea that happened. No, all I did was use the usual edit link—but the old edit box has been replaced by a new weird and broken one. (You can see a notice about its brokenness on your watchlist.) It looks from this like it mangles ampersands, too. I'm going to submit a bug report. Ozob (talk) 18:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It's now bug 22435. Ozob (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid it happened again, later, with this edit. I suggest disabling this new edit box, and sticking with the old edit box, until the bugs are fixed. Also, have you recently edited any other pages that might be affected by the bug? Eubulides (talk) 00:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Blast. Of the articles I've edited, it seems that only the MoS is affected by this; it's weird. The bug has been fixed in the current Mediawiki source, but I don't think that fix has been pushed out to Wikipedia's servers yet. Thanks for cleaning up again. I hope this bug died a painful death. Ozob (talk) 04:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lefschetz theorem on (1,1)-classes

Hello! Your submission of Lefschetz theorem on (1,1)-classes at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Marylanderz (talk) 01:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lefschetz theorem on (1,1)-classes

On February 21, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lefschetz theorem on (1,1)-classes, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha 18:10, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

List of algebraic geometry topics

I've added dévissage and generic flatness to the list of algebraic geometry topics. If you know of other articles that should be listed there and are not, could you add those too? Michael Hardy (talk) 04:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Four Egyptian geometry formulas may qualify. In the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus problems 41, 42, and 43 report the area of a circle as A = [(8/9](D)]^2 cubit^2 (formula 1.0), where pi =256/81 and radius R = semi-diameter D/2. MMP 10 also used formula 1.0 to compute the area of a semi-circle/. Gillings suggested C = (pi)D was involved in formula 1.0. Skipping over the area debate, scribal algebra added height (H) in two cases V = (H)[8/9)(D)]^2 cubit^3 (formula 2.0) and V = (3/2)(H)[(8/9)(D)]^2 khar (formula 3.0). An interesting algebraic geometry devives from V = (2/3)(H)[(4/3)(D)]^2 khar (formula 4.0), reported in RMP 43 and the Kahun Mathematical Papyrus. Did two scribes modify formula 3.0 by applying these algebraic steps:

1. considering V = (3/2)(H)(8/9)(8/9)(D)D)

multiplying both sides by 3/2 such that

2. (3/2)V =(3/2)(3/2)(H)(8/9)(8/9)(D)(D) khar = (4/3)(4/3)(D)(D) khar

and multiplying both sides by 2/3, such that

3. V = (2/3)(H)[(4/3)(D)]^2 khar (formula 4)?

as cited on the math forum: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2109309&tstart=0

Anneka Bart may wish to comment on this topic for an added reason. Ahmes in RMP 41, 42 and 43 divided the khar unit by 20, and found a 100-hekat unit (*reported by Peet and Clagett). A single hekat total was reported by multiplying the 100-hekat value by 100, a step that Ahmes did not clearly report. The scaled scribal hekat context shows that Ahmes scaled a khar to 5 hekat, a conclusion that Dr. Bart disagrees. She suggests without writing out mathematical statements associated with scholar references that a khar properly contained 20 hehat. Scribal algebraic geometry discussions may offer conflicting points of view. Let the raw data and the scholars openly debate the history of math geometry formulas and the unit values contained therein. Wikipedia entries that contain controversial topics should be noted, thereby avoiding needless Wiki-debates and Wiki-wars.

Best Regards, Milogardner (talk) 14:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I would say that the material from the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus is not algebraic geometry at all. The rest of the comments about disagreements is completely besides the point and not relevant to the discussion here. --AnnekeBart (talk) 19:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for brokering the WQA and ANI reports on my behalf. Things seem to be moving in a more productive direction at Gravitational potential now, although they are no less frustrating. Even though no action came out of the incident, RHB at least seems to be a little less confrontational now. Best wishes, Sławomir Biały (talk) 01:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Which vs that

In the US, it is incorrect to use 'which' in a restrictive clause, according to the Chicago Manual of Style and every other reference I know. It is not incorrect in the UK, but 'that' in a restrictive clause is also not wrong...so following the US rule creates something that is correct in both countries. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.176.7 (talk) 04:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Reference

I have a question about your edit. I wanna know that ... is there any policy about referencing/citation in Wikipedia? (It's just a question, not quarrel) -- Modamoda (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there's WP:CITE. For footnotes, see WP:FOOT. Neither of these specify whether we should group adjacent footnotes together or not. I prefer not to; that's what I'm used to, and that's what I usually see others do. (You can observe WP:FOOT not group them under "Ref tags and punctuation".) I agree that the cluster of footnotes at the start of integral domain looks odd, but it's there because of a quarrel on the talk page. Ozob (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I see, thanks anyway -- Modamoda (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Good faith

You wrote in Wikipedia talk:Words to watch#Question for Philip as a parting shot "I believe therefore that it is fair to characterize your views as primarily a content objection. Your process objections are red herrings intended to slow us down."

If I did not assume good faith which you do not seem to be extending to me I could argue that "Your process objections are red herrings intended to speed up the process to sneak in changes and then game the system by arguing that it needs consensus to change them back". But as you are clearly a honest person I am sure that you would not sink to such depths and I would appreciate it if you would extend good faith to my motive. If so you will strike out the comment as it does not help us reach a consensus. -- PBS (talk) 02:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I will not strike out my comment. Please answer the question I posed you. Ozob (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Spectral sequences

Hi Ozob,

I was the anonymous user that changed the discussion of the differentials in spectral sequences.... I'm a noob here, so I hope this is the right place to discuss.....

I think it's actually "up or down" at the zero level, and "left or right" at the one level - according to J. McCleary's User's Guide, the bidegree is (-r,r-1) for homological type and (r,1-r) for cohomological type.

Cheers, Mathjd

Whoops. You're right; I completely botched that one. Thanks. Ozob (talk) 19:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Substing Welcome Templates

Just a quick note, can you make sure you subst welcome templates when you add them to a users talk page? Thanks =] ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 18:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Whoops. Thanks for catching that. Ozob (talk) 02:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I have marked you as a reviewer

I have added the "reviewers" property to your user account. This property is related to the Pending changes system that is currently being tried. This system loosens page protection by allowing anonymous users to make "pending" changes which don't become "live" until they're "reviewed". However, logged-in users always see the very latest version of each page with no delay. A good explanation of the system is given in this image. The system is only being used for pages that would otherwise be protected from editing.

If there are "pending" (unreviewed) edits for a page, they will be apparent in a page's history screen; you do not have to go looking for them. There is, however, a list of all articles with changes awaiting review at Special:OldReviewedPages. Because there are so few pages in the trial so far, the latter list is almost always empty. The list of all pages in the pending review system is at Special:StablePages.

To use the system, you can simply edit the page as you normally would, but you should also mark the latest revision as "reviewed" if you have looked at it to ensure it isn't problematic. Edits should generally be accepted if you wouldn't undo them in normal editing: they don't have obvious vandalism, personal attacks, etc. If an edit is problematic, you can fix it by editing or undoing it, just like normal. You are permitted to mark your own changes as reviewed.

The "reviewers" property does not obligate you to do any additional work, and if you like you can simply ignore it. The expectation is that many users will have this property, so that they can review pending revisions in the course of normal editing. However, if you explicitly want to decline the "reviewer" property, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC) — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Ozob (talk) 02:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Weaponbb7 (talk) 02:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Andre - Quillen vs.Harrison (co)homology ?

Dear colleague, I do not have Andre's and Quillen's papers. From what You have written it seems to me that Andre-Quillen is the same as Harrison's ones. I guess the relation is very well-known, would You be so kind to comment on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Chervov (talk • contribs) 17:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Quillen discusses this in his paper. Try [1]. Ozob (talk) 00:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank You very much. So it seems Harrison was the first to define this cohomology, while Quillen generalizes to the "relative case" A->B, while Harrison treats just "B" meaning k->A , "k" is basic field. I think in some future it would be better to create a page "Homology of commutative rings" with redirect from Andre-Quillen and Harrison cohomology to such page. Harrison's approach is downtoearth while Quillen's is most not downtoearch... 17:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Chervov (talk • contribs)

Your revert on Template:Group-like structures

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGroup-like_structures&action=historysubmit&diff=385478429&oldid=385423672

Actually, Magmas are called groupoids sometimes. This is actually on the first line of the article. It is also in several books that I've been reading.

I think your change is not a good idea. The additional information makes it less confusing for readers, like me, who don't know much about the subjects. Tony (talk) 03:11, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. As I said, I've never seen "groupoid" used this way, only in the way it's used in the groupoid article. I suspect that "groupoid" for "magma" is obsolete. But you say that it's in books you're reading, so maybe I'm just out of touch. I think the right thing to do is for you to bring this up on the article's talk page. Maybe we can get some additional opinions as to the right way forward here. Ozob (talk) 12:57, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Hi Ozob – just noticed your lil’ edit to Riemann integral, and recognized you (from Problem of Apollonius). Thanks for your specific edit (yeah, jargon should really be avoided on elementary pages – oops), and for your consistent pattern of making Wikipedia (Math) just that much better and more polished – thanks! —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 06:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

RfC closing

Letting you know that there is opposition to your closing and interpretation of the results about italic titles at Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Again. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 21:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

RFC of Italics closing

I read the RFCs on this. Simple, plain response is that i wholeheartedly dispute both you closing it for being involved and for your assessment. Your own tally does not support what you put forward as consensus. I waited for a response as Xeworlebi advised you of this 10 days ago. Today i reverted the policy to what it was before you changed it. Surely someone will not like that but hopefully someone notices why i changed it. The problem is that italic titles have now been implemented site wide in all relevant infobox template, which are all protected. It will be a pain to undo all of it. I read all of it and i see you having added the "limited use support" into the "full support" to claim that sufficient people support it to implement it. Thing is those same people who support limited use would also oppose full use (or else they would have voted for full use). Hence the consensus was to not implement italics beyond the limited use and you misrepresented things. I call upon you to revise your close or to re-open the RFC, and to have italics removed from all infoboxes where it has been added subsequent to your close of the RFC on 19 September, and to then have someone who truly is not involved close the RFC. Other than this i am not too sure what to do short of an RFC on your closing of the RFC and even i know that sounds somewhat silly just to write. But i am serious. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 17:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Go for it on the RFC on my RFC. If there is someone who actually wants to read all the arguments, tally the votes, and come up with a coherent policy statement, then I'd prefer that they do it. I did it only because nobody else was going to (look at the timestamps). I tried to be as objective as I could, but as I think was clear from what I wrote, I'm not a fully objective party. Ozob (talk) 21:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Since you've posted essentially the same objection at WT:AT, I have made essentially the same reply more publicly there. Let's continue the discussion there instead. Ozob (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Just for a record, i posted there some time ago now and you didn't respond. So today i added a 2nd notice of my contesting the closing by reverted the policy change. That i think is what got someone's attention. However the consensus is that it is too late to contest since it is now in full widespread use and would require a new consensus to undo what you claimed. :S
I would prefer the formal RFC on the RFC but someone beat me to it with another subsection simply contesting the close based on my stated concerns and their own. That you just simply leave it closed and invite someone else to re-open it... really, who is going to do that? Noöne.
As my issue is first and foremost with you closing it despite being about as involved as anyone there is, and as my secondary issue is with being completely baffled by your conclusion that results in changing the policy, and as my attempt at addressing this on the policy talk page went pretty much unnoticed i would rather discuss this here.
At the most basic level i do not see where you find the support. To simplify it, there is a Yes, No, & Kinda. Yes and No are about even. Kinda is conveniently about the same and thus the majority could swing a few ways depending on what you want.
Those who like the close you did surely will not be objecting to it.
Those not liking the close you did are either not in the mood to bother or believe it to be futile to object, or they don't know it was closed.
Then there is the flaw in the entire set-up. I hate consensus ruling (not a secret) but i do know that it will surely fail if there are more than 2 options. That part of consensus on WP is to allow as many options as people care to put forward is why things get stalemated, such as the removal of admin rights. This RFC had 3 major options with a couple of subsections depending on your choice of major. By design that will result in indecision and massive vote splitting. That is what happened and yet you found a 'clear winner'.
If someone had simply told me of this or if i had stumbled upon it before its implementation flooded my watchlist then yes i would have closed it. I read it and my conclusions do not agree with yours. Now i too am too involved to close it and if i were to well it would not go as smooth as your closing did, and i never actually voted :P I had no idea the template existed let alone the long ongoing discussion about forcing its use. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 22:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Since you say, "I would prefer the formal RFC on the RFC", please do that. If you don't want to do that, I suggest raising the issue at WP:VPP. I would prefer either of those to another meandering debate on WT:AT. Ozob (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Shell (mathematics)

How do you know its a hoax? Do you mean a hoax, that there is no such thing, or just erroneous? I have removed the speedy, and suggest you take it to AfD, not prod, for a community decision. It would be well to notify the mathematics wikiproject to get some informed comment. DGG ( talk ) 23:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Composite Number Factoring Theorem

I see you tagged this article for speedy deletion. That was rejected. I've posted a proper AfD. The article's AfD page can be found here. Thanks. — Fly by Night (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)