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Grove Primary School

Can you please explain what is notable about Grove Primary School, Frimley? Schools in the primary/elementary sectors need to have quite a lot of notability before they warrant their own pge. Secondaries and High Schools are fine. Jimbo has said they can page an article without problems. But not primaries. Now if there is something particularly notable and well sourcedd about the Grove, then please feel free to add it, with its sources. But I don't think there is. And pls do not remove templates you don't like with an edit summary of remove unexplained tag. Its rather rude. No one is required to explain it to you. You can go and make your own enquiries. The tag has been in place since October 2009, plenty of time for concerned parties to do something about it. No one has. And thats because there is nothing to be done. It just doesn't satisfy notability criteria. And the reason there was no information transferred to the Frimley article at the time of the merge, is that there was nothing to transfer. Most of the article is unencyclopaedic and unreferenced, and of the bits that are referenced (location, local children, number on roll) location is inherent in the Frimley article and local children is not notable in the context of the Frimley article. What would be encyclopaedic would be if most of the children travelled 10 miles to attend the school. Local primaries cater for local children. Its not notable to restate that. That leaves the number on roll. If you think that it would be useful to have that info in the Frimley article, then by all means feel free to add it, but it would probably need the figures for all the Frimley schools to add proper context. That might be a useful addition. Fmph (talk) 08:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

And I see you've made similar edits to Guildford Grove School, Holy Trinity Junior School, Guildford, Lanesborough School, Rydes Hill Preparatory School, Holy Trinity Junior School, Guildford and Boxgrove Primary School - all of which have been templated for merge for years, and none of which have anything notable about them. Removing {{advert}} templates could be considered as vandalism by many, especially where all those articles still read as adverts. Fmph (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

As there are many primary school articles for schools all over the world, consensus would seem to suggest that they are notable enough to have their own pages, especially as many do have appropriate references available, but which have just not been referenced yet. I also fail to see what makes a secondary school more notable than a primary school - they both serve the same purpose (to educate children), they are often similar in size and they are also covered by reliable sources. You mention that the distance people travel to a school determines its notability, but how can you use this figure to discriminate between the two without carrying out original research? If Jimbo has said that the encyclopaedia should not contain primary school articles, then very well, you seem to be more knowledgeable on the subject, but it would have been nice to see this rationale before the 'merges' were carried out rather than providing no explanation for why they were done. To a point, I do understand your reasoning behind the merges now that you have explained them, but in addition to the merge templates, rationale should have been provided on the talk pages as otherwise there is no apparent reason for the merge to take place. Regarding advert templates, their removal would not be considered vandalism if there is no more advert-like material within the articles, and per WP:ADVERT, I don't believe there is. Raywil (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, if there were consensus for that, there would be far more primary school articles than there are. Have a look at List of schools in Surrey for instance. All the secondary schools have articles (just!) but just about none of the primaries do. Why is that? And the list of primaries is probably only half complete. If you really want me to waste everyone's time, I'll put all the articles in question up for WP:AFD and we can see what will happen. Either they will be deleted, or more likely, they will be merged into the Guildford, Frimley and Woking articles. Either way, you, me, and everyone else who contributes to the discussions will be wasting their time. Have you actually read the guidelines?

If there is some information you feel is encyclopaedic and therefore should be added to the locality articles then by all means highlight it and I'll even help you move it. But I haven't seen anything in those articles that is referenced and worthy of keeping, IMHO. Fmph (talk) 21:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Education report: Diverse approaches to Wikipedia in Education

Technology report: Git learning curve steep but not insurmountable, plus a diff style we can all agree on?

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The Signpost: 19 March 2012

News and notes: Chapters Council proposals take form as research applications invited for Wikipedia Academy and HighBeam accounts

Discussion report: Article Rescue Squadron in need of rescue yet again

WikiProject report: Lessons from another Wikipedia: Czech WikiProject Protected Areas

Featured content: Featured content on the upswing!

Arbitration report: Race and intelligence 'review' opened, Article titles at voting

Technology report: Bugmeister to leave at end of May, but developers keen to "chart" a path ahead

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The Signpost: 26 March 2012

News and notes: Controversial content saga continues, while the Foundation tries to engage editors with merchandising and restructuring

WikiProject report: WikiProject Rock Music

Featured content: Malfunctioning sharks, toothcombs and a famous mother: featured content for the week

Arbitration report: Race and intelligence review at evidence, article titles closed

Recent research: Predicting admin elections; studying flagged revision debates; classifying editor interactions; and collecting the Wikipedia literature

Education report: Universities unite for GLAM; and High Schools get their due.

Technology report: A busy week: Git switchover, mobile site upgraded, and still time for three security releases

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EdwardsBot (talk) 00:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 April 2012

Interview: An introduction to movement roles

Arbitration analysis: Case review: TimidGuy ban appeal

News and notes: Berlin reforms to movement structures, Wikidata launches with fanfare, and Wikipedia's day of mischief

WikiProject report: The Signpost scoops The Signpost

Featured content: Snakes, misnamed chapels, and emptiness: featured content this week

Arbitration report: Race and intelligence review in third week, one open case

Technology report: Somewhere amongst the endless discussions about Gerrit lie details of hackathons, performance blips explained and more

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The Signpost: 09 April 2012

Wikidata: The next big thing? An interview with Wikidata

Interview: Funds, fiduciaries, and the Foundation: the complex dynamics of scaling

News and notes: Projects launched in Brazil and the Middle East as advisors sought for funds committee

WikiProject report: The Land of Steady Habits: WikiProject Connecticut

Featured content: Assassination, genocide, internment, murder, and crucifixion: the bloodiest of the week

Arbitration report: Arbitration evidence-limit motions, two open cases

Technology report: Next Wikimedia deployment already in the pipeline and details of recent performance improvements

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EdwardsBot (talk) 00:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 April 2012

Arbitration analysis: Inside the Arbitration Committee Mailing List

Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Facilitator: Silver seren

News and notes: French language outreach, WikiTravel debate, and HighBeam reloaded

Discussion report: The future of pending changes

WikiProject report: The Butterflies and Moths of WikiProject Lepidoptera

Featured content: A few good sports: association football, rugby league, and the Olympics vie for medals

Arbitration report: Evidence submissions begin in Rich Farmbrough case, proposed decision in R&I Review

Technology report: MediaWiki 1.20wmf01 hits first WMF wiki, understanding 20% time, and why this report cannot yet be a draft

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The Signpost: 23 April 2012

Investigative report: Spin doctors spin Jimmy's "bright line"

News and notes: Help-space revamp, WikiTravel RfC, and Justin Knapp scores a million edits

WikiProject report: Skeptics and Believers: WikiProject The X-Files

Featured content: A mirror (or seventeen) on this week's featured content

Arbitration report: Evidence submissions close in Rich Farmbrough case, vote on proposed decision in R&I Review

Technology report: Wikimedia Labs: soon to be at the cutting edge of MediaWiki development?

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The Signpost: 30 April 2012

Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Consultant: Pete Forsyth

News and notes: Showdown as featured article writer openly solicits commercial opportunities

Recent research: Barnstars work; Wiktionary assessed; cleanup tags counted; finding expert admins; discussion peaks; Wikipedia citations in academic publications; and more

Discussion report: 'ReferenceTooltips' by default

WikiProject report: The Cartographers of WikiProject Maps

Featured content: Featured content spreads its wings

Arbitration report: R&I Review remains in voting, two open cases

Technology report: What Git means for end users, design controversies and pertinent poll results

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The Signpost: 07 May 2012

Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Communicator: Phil Gomes

News and notes: Hong Kong to host Wikimania 2013

In the news: What does Wikipedia call an expert; and untruths in biographies ... again.

WikiProject report: Say What?: WikiProject Languages

Featured content: This week at featured content: How much wood would a Wood Duck chuck if a Wood Duck could chuck wood?

Arbitration report: Proposed decision in Rich Farmbrough, two open cases

Technology report: Search gets faster, GSoC gets more detail and 1.20wmf2 gets deployed

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The Signpost: 14 May 2012

Special report: Wikimedia and the "seismic shift" towards open-access research publication

News and notes: Finance debate drags on as editor survey finds Wikipedia too bureaucratic

WikiProject report: Welcome to Wikipedia with a cup of tea and all your questions answered - at the Teahouse

Featured content: Featured content is red hot this week

Arbitration report: R&I Review closed, Rich Farmbrough near closure

Technology report: Cross-wiki watchlist controversy; and is "go file a bug" really a useful response?

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EdwardsBot (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 May 2012

From the editor: New editor-in-chief

News and notes: Two new Wikimedia fellows to boost strategies for tackling major issues

WikiProject report: Trouble in a Galaxy Far, Far Away....

Featured content: Lemurbaby moves it with Madagascar: Featured content for the week

Arbitration report: No open arbitration cases pending

Technology report: On the indestructibility of Wikimedia content

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The Signpost: 28 May 2012

News and notes: Wikimedia Foundation endorses open-access petition to the White House; pending changes RfC ends

Recent research: Supporting interlanguage collaboration; detecting reverts; Wikipedia's discourse, semantic and leadership networks, and Google's Knowledge Graph

WikiProject report: Experts and enthusiasts at WikiProject Geology

Featured content: Featured content cuts the cheese

Arbitration report: Fæ and GoodDay requests for arbitration, changes to evidence word limits

Technology report: Developer divide wrangles; plus Wikimedia Zero, MediaWiki 1.20wmf4, and IPv6

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EdwardsBot (talk) 09:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 June 2012

Special report: WikiWomenCamp: From women, for women

News and notes: Editors want most funding for technical areas, while widespread ignorance of WMF board elections and chapters persists; voting still live on Commons best picture

Discussion report: Watching Wikipedia change

WikiProject report: Views of WikiProject Visual Arts

Featured content: On the lochs

Arbitration report: Two motions for procedural reform, three open cases, Rich Farmbrough risks block and ban

Technology report: Report from the Berlin Hackathon

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EdwardsBot (talk) 09:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 June 2012

Special report: Springer's misappropriation of Wikimedia content "the tip of the iceberg"

News and notes: Foundation finance reformers wrestle with CoI

WikiProject report: Counter-Vandalism Unit

Featured content: The cake is a pi

Arbitration report: Procedural reform enacted, Rich Farmbrough blocked, three open cases

Technology report: To support or not to support IPv6, and why knowing when this report was last updated might be getting easier

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The Signpost: 18 June 2012

Investigative report: Is the requests for adminship process 'broken'?

News and notes: Ground shifts while chapters dither over new Association

Discussion report: Discussion Reports And Miscellaneous Articulations

WikiProject report: The Punks of Wikipedia

Featured content: Taken with a pinch of "salt"

Arbitration report: Three open cases, GoodDay case closed

Technology report: Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News

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The Signpost: 25 June 2012

Op-ed: A call for editorial input in developing new Creative Commons licensing

News and notes: "Mystical" Picture of the Year; run-up to Wikimania DC; RfA reform 2012

In the news: Wales enters extradition battle; Wikipedia's political bias

Recent research: Edit war patterns, deleters vs. the 1%, never used cleanup tags, authorship inequality, higher quality from central users, and mapping the wikimediasphere

WikiProject report: Summer Sports Series: WikiProject Athletics

Featured content: A good week for the Williams

Arbitration report: Three open cases

Technology report: Second Visual Editor prototype launches

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