User talk:Roke/Archive 6

Zoom

I'm try to crop a map and make it able to zoom in and out in Wikipedia but i'm not make it. Astrokey44, how to make a map able to zoom in and out after cropping (in Wikipedia)? Can you tell me how? thank you. --Aleen f1 03:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, i'm try to crop blank map for Asian part, but after i'm finish my work, and upload to Wikipedia, it unable to zoom (+) or (-) when hover to the map. So, how to make this possible? Thank you. --Aleen f1 03:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that is where i'm point to. Sorry for not make it clear. So, that is no way to make it? I'm upload the map before and see it can't work in high resolution view. --Aleen f1 04:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you can. But i wish i can do it myself next time (not abuse your assistance). But in the past i'm upload this image Image:Asian Games Torch Relay route.png after crop but did not work in high resolution and zoom in and out. Why? --Aleen f1 04:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean when the images is higher than the size request, it will automatic able to zoom after uploading? Thank you for help me. Nice and appreciated. OK, another, recently also badminton added Tuvalu as new member, i'm not sure it is appear in map because all island appear to be same. --Aleen f1 17:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. :) --Aleen f1 04:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Hi, I couldn't help notice some of the maps you have created such as Image:Oil_imports.PNG Image:Oil_imports.PNG. They are very nice. What software did you use for them? --Selket 22:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for doing the Riverina bioregion map Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 04:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Riverina Bioregion

Nice work (again) on the Riverina Bioregion map Astrokey44. Cheers. --VS ^{talk...images} 05:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Western Australian edit

That was a nice addition to the page History of Western Australia‎. Post colonial development had just reached areas thousands of kilometres from the capital, much to the surprise of the people already living there. But are you australian? Or just interested. Regards, Fred 04:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, so appropriate. If you upload any more, the WP:WA would be grateful for any public domain images. Let us know, or add your name to the participants list. All are welcome. Regards Fred 06:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will think of a couple of places to put that image, somehow old maps draw the reader in. You need to fix a tyop in the title though ;-) Please take advantage of this also, Category:Images of Western Australia. Almost any image is useful somewhere. Regards, Fred 14:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those guys! We do have to double check. Did you upload the very early and detailed map. Even small sections would usable in australian articles. Agree with common usage for 'regions'becoming pages, or maybe a list of terms. I would go for the latter, but it is a big job. Others consider geographical names to be absolute, but your map shows I could be living in Victoria. Unless our cousins got that wrong too :) Fred 15:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Riverina History Map

Love the old map of the Riverina you placed up. It is fascinating to see what did and didn't exist as late as 1910. It complements the article perfectly especially when discussing the impact of the Murrumbidgee Irrigation Area.--Mattinbgn 07:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Cadastral divisions of Australia

Just wondering, would you revisit this article and split the lead into sections, and demote the existing sections? Also, it can be very quickly seen from South Australia onwards, that having lists included in this article would dominate the topic with "precision detail" - maybe the lists of counties should be moved to List of South Australian Counties etc - provided there is anything to add to the list other than the county name.

If the only thing to include is a county name, then the best bet would be

Ga rr ie 03:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know other people jumped into my heading here... but the changes you made following my suggestions have definately made the article look better. Just thought I'd pop back in and say, yes I noticed!

Ga rr ie 04:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you didn't mind, but I nominated this article at DYK. Its nice work. —Moondyne 06:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I second Moondyne's comments - nice work on these divisions. Given that I work in Industrial Law I am aware of and thought you might like to know (and edit appropriately where you see fit) that there are still reasonably strong relationships between Industrial Award entitlements (particularly for State Awards across Australia) and some counties. (Although the WorkChoices reforms are beginning to remove this relationship).

Anyway the boundaries of a county is sometimes used to define the exclusion or inclusion point as to whether workers are included or not in a particular award. There are a great many examples in many parts of Australia but to show you one, the NSW METAL, ENGINEERING AND ASSOCIATED INDUSTRIES (STATE) AWARD includes All persons employed in the industries and callings of ... etc... but excludes those persons if they are in the County of Yancowinna see here [1] for that example. I hope that assists? --VS ^talk 10:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problems. I'm glad the info helped. Yancowinna in this case is excluded because of distance from Sydney. Many awards are almost the same from one county to another but may for example include an extra weeks leave and some other entitlements. Put simply those sort of extras were negotiated long ago in an effort to gain a reward for members who were in the union's view working in more isolated areas. A broader (but still general answer) is for me to say that it is unlikely that any county reference will have anything to do with closeness to any other state because of demarcation - that is ownership of the award. I'll try to explain.... The example award is a Metals award "owned" by the NSW branch of the AMWU who would rarely if ever share anything in terms of employees (read members) with their 'comrades' in the SA branch of the AMWU. Partly this is about factionalism and partly because of sheer ability to lobby State parliaments. The whole area is pretty complex but suffice to say that throughout all of the states that have counties there are such examples. Your inclusion in the article encompasses this but if you don't mind I will make a minor adjustment to give it a present tense. Nice talking with you as always. --VS ^talk 12:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep that would be my pleasure - a sub-heading that talks about Relevance of counties in Industrial Relations or similar? I will turn my mind to it over the next few days.--VS ^talk 12:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just on another point regarding counties - (you may know this already - if so I apologise) but just in case and I can help by spreading the knowledge - this website of the Geographical Names Board of NSW [2] provides for a search function (click on either of the two Name Search buttons at the top left) for any town in NSW and then gives good details including the county of location. Perhaps useful as an External Link to put in the article? --VS ^talk 13:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Thought it might be useful on NSW site - my pleasure again. Glad to be of some assistance.--VS ^talk 13:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

QLD counties

The three county articles that I've added are based on current ones - I used to work in a bank and we had to put the county/parish down on a lot of paperwork for mortgage securities and the like. As far as I know, the counties we have now are the same as in your map - at least for Canning, Stanley, Ward, and Elphinstone. Some of the rural counties have possibly been split more, I do not know.

I'd be interested in researching and adding more information on this topic, but unfortunately info is hard to come by unless you still work in the industry (and I don't). Lankiveil 09:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Perhaps they never "caught on". I sent an email to Queensland's Dept of NRM asking if they have any freely available maps or whatnot to indicate the current situation, unfortunately I probably won't get a reply until Monday at the earliest. Lankiveil 12:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Well, I just received this today from Queensland Government:

Lankiveil

Thank you for your enquiry regarding county/parish boundaries across Queensland.

A Town and Parish Directory in PDF format on CD can be purchased for the price of $37.85 at our Service Centre at the Woolloongabba Office. Some Service Centres may not have them in stock, but the CD can be ordered. I have attached a link to all our Customer Service Centres which will give you their contact and locations details.

http://www.nrw.qld.gov.au/about/contactus/service_centres.html

I hope this information is of assistance for your project.

Regards
Pina

Pina Vitanzi
Executive Assistant
Land Information
Landcentre, Level 9
Ph: xxx xxxxx

Fax: xxx xxxxx

Unless you've forty quid or so to blow (and I don't at this time), this might be the end of the road for this side of things. Lankiveil 12:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Awesome, excellent find. I might now begin documenting the new counties later this week, time permitting. Lankiveil 03:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

btw

very impressed by your cadastral work - i am simply following for australian project tags - the more i tag the more it relates to a whole lot of old maps that i own - interesting relic from the imperial/colonial era - keep it up! Satu Suro 12:16, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jealousy - nla map library - i wish i could work there for some excuse - i was there in 97 - checking the most amazing old maps of java - my favourite was the 2nd world war time one of yogya just where the aircrash ws - the ones that i own are south west wa and western tasmania my areas of interest at the moment Satu Suro 12:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good - there might be a scan of the old districts in one of our Perth or WA history articles - I'm sure its there somewhere.. Satu Suro 13:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone once lobbed a map here West Coast, Tasmania - it might be worth checking out - never checked it closely.... Satu Suro 14:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey any time - anyone who has ready access to the NLA map library has my admiration and implicit co-operation.. I might ask a favour one day :) Satu Suro 04:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nah - even clues how to use the online one is better than a kick in the wiki bottom :) Satu Suro 05:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NSW Counties heads up

G'day. Just thought I'd tell you that I have begun adding county information to towns on Template:Riverina in the following example format
| county = [[Buccleuch County, New South Wales|Buccleuch]]
(which immediately stops disambiguations such as Buccleuch. I am progressing systematically from A to Y (but it will take a while to finish with about 250 locations).

As soon as I come across a redlink county I create the stub (read mini stub) - see for example Denison - I couldn't find colour pointed maps available as yet so I am leaving that part for when you get a chance(?).

I will let you know which county stubs I create in groups as I move along. Today (and there will be more later) I have created stubs for Counties:- Buccleuch, Hume, Bourke, Wakool, Caira, Cooper, Cadell and Denison. I trust that is all helpful but if not please let me know and I will stop immediately? Regards --VS ^talk 07:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Further to the above (and that will be it for this evening) - the following counties are also commenced as stubs... Harden, Clarendon, Urana, Mitchell, Waljeers, Goulburn, Sturt and Cowley. Cheers. --VS ^talk 09:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I did notice that on the Geographical Names Board of NSW site. So what I am doing at the moment is picking the actual place name of eg: Wagga Wagga rather than North or South Wagga Wagga etc and using that county. However when I eventually get around to suburbs I will choose the actual place and county nominated. --VS ^talk 01:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC) PS My intention is to go through the 250 odd names on template:Riverina first and send you updates on any new county stubs I start.[reply]

Two more county stubs for today - Boyd and Bland. Cheers! --VS ^talk 07:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

G'day - if you get time can you commence County stub for Taila (NSW) please (I have posted county on at least one article Euston). --VS ^talk 06:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC) And another newie Waradgery (with posting of that county to Hay this afternoon). Cheers! --VS ^talk 07:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC) Going strong this arvo - please add county Nicholson to the list (with several postings including Hillston). --VS ^talk 08:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent thank you. I am ploughing through all Riverina as time allows. I will also then go to the various county pages and add a bit of valuable information that I have come across. --VS ^talk 02:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Love em :) Quick one - would you be able to do one for Shire of Mukinbudin? It's just we're working on that article within the next day or two so it would be good to have it there :) Thanks heaps for all your hard work. Orderinchaos78 14:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) And yep: imagesize= attribute in the infobox eg imagesize = 180 Orderinchaos78 14:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For implementation check out Mukinbudin or Victoria Plains, I put the above attribute in those so you can see how it works, adjust as appropriate etc Orderinchaos78 14:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

On 12 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article cadastral divisions of Australia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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Its amazing the amount of interest that this one article has spawned. —Moondyne 02:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Info box discussion - cadastral divisions of Australia

Just got that message thanks Astrokey. I have responded also at the discussion page with this comment... (From my perspective - choose - either in the info box or in the prose - whatever the majority decide but don't just drop this great work. Counties and parishes are still used in property and industrial legal documents and they represent both a current and a historical fact which is most definitely encyclopedic.) I will await the end result before I go down the path of adding county and or parish information. --VS ^talk 06:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have proposed a compromise regarding this discussion. Hopefully it will see a concensus formed?--VS ^talk 10:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WA

Not a lot sadly - I'm trying to find that out :/ Some sources call them "districts". Read my last main contribution at WT:WA where I covered some of what I have. They turn up in Government Gazettes, I've mostly been concentrating on Swan, which covers all of northern and eastern suburban Perth, and southern as far south as Booragoon and Applecross. The lettered locations (eg Swan Location K - see Hamersley) are very long, approx 1.4km wide strip lots counted back westwards or northwest from the Swan River. 1370 is the biggest location within Swan and covers the entire suburbs from Yanchep right down to Hepburn Avenue, with 1315 being south of it and 1352 being north of it (towards Gingin). Other Perth area ones are Canning and Cockburn Sound, with Avon and Ninghan to the east, Williams to the southeast and Murray and Wellington (which surrounds Bunbury) to the south. Further south is Sussex (SW), Nelson (S) etc. Victoria surrounds Geraldton. Here is a SRO item which hints at others (eg East, Hampton, Kent, Plantagenet etc)

When I have time I'll see if I can prepare a more complete list. They're used to this day by planning departments and local councils. I don't even know what these divisions are called so it's difficult to look them up in a book. Orderinchaos78 11:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That appears to be it! So it would seem they're called "land districts". Many of the district names on those maps are very familiar to me from gazettes - thanks heaps :) Now what should we do with this information? (BTW re dates - it appears the Swan and Wellington ones in particular go back to earliest days - I have evidence of Swan Location K being granted just 3 months after Swan River Colony's foundation in Sep 1829, and the literature suggests Location L, known as Sandalford Estate then and part of which still is to this day, being already established by the time it was chosen. Swan Location 32, in around Bicton, was 1832ish and was allocated to a family member of John Butler, who owned the modern suburb of Peppermint Grove as a traveller's inn and was one of the first explorers to pass Wanneroo. Orderinchaos78 13:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be Land division -> Land district -> Location -> Lot (eg a Govt Gazette entry might refer to "Swan Location 8968, formerly part of Swan Location 1315 and comprising that part of it marked as lots 104, 105 and 106 on LTO plan 47271" (I made the numbers up) Your article looks fantastic... I'll look more into it when I'm actually here again (more elab via email) Orderinchaos78 03:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can get maps at the Battye for Perth - they're not terribly clear on those either (I've looked at one) but when I finish my gazettals project I'll probably be able to understand the map better. I think most of those districts have survived but many are of course abandoned nowadays - it seems to be that they took original land titles very seriously. Orderinchaos78 03:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Local Government Areas of Australia

The maps you developed for Australian LGAs are great. Thanks--Mattinbgn/^talk 08:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Electoral maps

Don't forget to update them for post '07 - the redistributions in NSW and QLD take effect at this election. PMA 13:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maps are here - http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/Why/redistributions/2005/nsw/announcement.htm

PMA 10:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In answer to your question here - I count 407. This doesn't count the 6 upper house regions in WA or the 15 single-member upper house districts in Tasmania. Orderinchaos78 11:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Vote

Hi there. Where do you think we are up to with this - I count 4 supports, 2 neutrals, 1 oppose after 12 days of voting. I think that means a support on the compromise proposal? I would like to start work on this area again this weekend. What do you think? --VS ^talk 06:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For fantastic effort on the cadastral and mapping sections on articles connected with WikiProject Australia. Well done! Orderinchaos78 11:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A much deserved barnstar.--Mattinbgn/^talk 12:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys! I owe it to the National Library, for their huge collection of old Australian maps --Astrokey44 12:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of adjustments on Cadastral divisions of New South Wales

Hey there Astrokey44 (my kudos to you also for the totality of this work - along with the lads above). Can I just tell you that I have added 7 previously missing from the list in New South Wales - they were Farnell, Finch, Gowen, Irrara, Monteagle, Woore and Taila. I have also (I hope you don't mind because it will mean a couple of minor adjustments to your map image) adjusted the spelling of Gulgoa to Culgoa and Bockland to Buckland. The 1888 map is hard to read but when I looked at other sources these are now the correct spelling. Hope that all helps. --VS ^talk 12:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- (copied from my talk page) Wow - I've never seen a genealogy page before - I agree some disambig pages will need to come also. I don't know if you have noticed that I have created all of the pages (that weren't there previously) from A to B including where the name came from. I have all of the rest created as a word document ready to go and will continue tomorrow putting them up. It is very interesting seeing where the names for each county came from.... I guess if you have time you might like to add county specific images to the pages without? I am enjoying this work - thanks for letting me help. --VS ^talk 13:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see you are on-line - I have a question that has been 'bothering' me a little for some time. In the description of Cadastral divisions of New South Wales - it states Instructions were given to Governor Brisbane in 1825 to survey New South Wales and divide it into counties of approximately forty square miles, and parishes between fifteen and twenty five square miles. To me that has always seemed far too small particularly when you do the maths between counties and parishes. Towards that point Buckland County, New South Wales (given the new data that I have just put up) states that it is about 1484 square miles. I wonder if there is an accidental error in the description on the NSW Cadastral page?--VS ^talk 02:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough - I might just go in and adjust the information (as not having it would be more accurate at this time). Can't ask Golden Wattle - she is totally retired from the project (unfortunately).--VS ^talk 03:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cumberland

Thats fine, no harm in trying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mindys12345 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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Naming Cadastral divisions of New South Wales

All county stubs commenced and all information relating to origin of county names posted (and linked to current Wiki articles where possible). With your brilliant maps and the further information that you have been putting up this project is looking great.--VS ^talk 12:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parishes *F*ck! Well it can be done but do you think it is worth it (and the month or two of editing)? Where would we put it up? Perhaps just a table on each county page? --VS ^talk 13:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what (apart from you being a bastard and putting the idea in my head!!). I am going to do it - absolutely - it's a stunning project (there will be detractors that think that putting this stuff up is no longer important but the history alone is fantastic). I won't put it up into info boxes - else we will receive the ire of some of the community but I will add it to every NSW county as a table. Consider it done! (I may have to loan some money from you for the psychiatrist).--VS ^talk 13:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nah - it'll be fun!! I already have it partly worked out (well in my scone at least). Watch these spaces--VS ^talk 13:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you like it - I sort of worked it out in my head last night. It's a lot of work in terms of sorting and then checking every link and coordinate etc but I have the template in place on my desktop and if I knuckle down then I should be able to prepare up to about 4 or 5 counties per day (perhaps a few more on weekends) so I should finish in about 20-28 days. I have opted not to link Parishes - they just turn into a very, very ugly sea of redlinks or link to other obscure pages. I thought the good, better, best touch was that each one points directly to its governing LGA and to a centralised coordinate which can be opened (as you no doubt know) via Google Maps etc. --VS ^talk 02:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know - I have written a small job specific macro that is speeding up the sorting through the list of Parishes and adding link brackets, coordinate specifications etc - which should decrease the time to complete this job a fair bit. I now have a list of all or at least nearly all the Parishes and will just continue through the counties in alpha order.--VS ^talk 09:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like it for many reasons but mainly because a navigational tool makes the whole concept of Counties much more valid and is a tangible way of getting a reader to conceptualise this part of Australian history. I think you should go for it. I also think that with the Parishes and your Navigation addition the NSW GeoStub could pretty well come of the page (at that stage the page is way bigger than a stub). --VS ^talk 11:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh thanks for the barnstar. I have so much further to go but I appreciate very much the acknowledgement. --VS ^talk 03:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Cumberland (2)

Thanks for picking the duplicates up - I have since adjusted back to 57 which is my count of my data. Duplicates have been removed and I put a note on the talk page and the edit summary. Sorry - it was just a damn hard one to decipher through the LGA's etc. --VS ^talk 12:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had a good look through my data regarding Cumberland. Can't tell you exactly when Saints Andrew, James, Philip or Lawrence were initially proclaimed but I can tell you that each of the first three parishes had their location confirmed (assigned) as late as 1976 under the Geographical Names Act 1966 No. 13 (NSW) so they are still totally relevant in terms of the link between naming/locating of places and Crown Lands and just in terms of legal value. St Lawrence is proving harder to assign by the powers and they have deferred their decision at this time (which reads to me like they do not have the data easily available in terms of the exact parameters of the Parish etc).--VS ^talk 13:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a brilliant article - well worth incorporating into Cumberland County page and into NSW Counties I would suggest.--VS ^talk 13:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It also explains - when I was looking at your comments on the Cumberland County Talk page why I was wondering why you spelt the parish St Laurence rather than St Lawrence - not sure if that was a freudian slip but the article goes some way to explaining why this occured? --VS ^talk

Well fair enough - but it was a great self-misdirection. I am calling it quits for tonight (just after midnight here) - see you on screen tomorrow. Cheers. --VS ^talk 14:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice rearrangment here with the hundreds, and also tweaking the four parishes to point directly to the churches which I think is quite worthwhile for this county. I have 84 more counties - Parishes/LGA's/Coords to go - should be able to get a few up later this evening. --VS ^talk 06:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look through all of my material and links and can't find anything reflective about Land Boards and Districts - however - and this is only a question surmising on my part - could there be some link between the office of Commissioner of Crown Lands and the these boards. I wrote an article the other day on Evelyn Pitfield Shirley Sturt (with a name like that you'd quickly learn to fight) anyway he was the brother of Charles Sturt and in the early 1800's (at the age of 21) he was made Commissioner of Crown Lands (based in Yass). I figure that would be one hell of a job and perhaps by the 1890's the tasks got divided up? It may be a long bow but thought it was worth the mention anyway.--VS ^talk 11:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No nothing in Sturt references - just that he was Commissioner from 1837 - 1839. --VS ^talk 12:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trumper image

Its copyright has expired but it is not PD-Australia. It was shot by George Beldam during the Australian tour of England in 1905 . Tintin 11:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

so which copyright tag should be used then? Template:PD-old?--Astrokey44 11:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure. I left a message User_talk:Moondyne who knows these things. Tintin 11:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding of expiry of copyright in the UK is that it expires 70 years after the death of the photographer at which time you'd use ~~{{PD-Old}}~~ Commons:Template:PD-UK-known. Beldam died in November 1937, so you have to wait till Jan 1, 2008.

By the way, here's a much clearer copy with Beldam's signature. Taken from Charles Leski auction catalogue, lot 358 with catalogue details: "358 VICTOR TRUMPER (1877-1915, famous Australian cricketer, renowned for the stylishness of his batting), signature on lower right margin of superb half-tone offset lithographic print of Victor Trumper in full flight, also signed by the photographer George W.Beldam, published by The Swan Electric Engraving Company, London, 1st August, 1905; image size 38x30cm, overall 76x57cm. Several tiny holes at top right, and water marks in outer margin. Rare and attractive. (Photo) ..................$6,000 - $8,000" -- Wow! —Moondyne 14:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few pictures in the NSW state library link at the end of the Victor Trumper article but they are now in flash format. Tintin 14:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lol, does this mean it should be deleted.. but we can upload it again in eight months time?! The other photo is nicer, but I guess will have to wait till next year --Astrokey44 05:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

'fraid so :-(. I think protocol says that you (as the uploader) need to ask for it to be deleted. ~~Let me know with a note on my page and I can do that. Cheers. —Moondyne 06:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)~~ Wrong info as it's at Commons. I'm not a commons admin, so you need to tag the image there with something like: {{speedydelete|Uploaded by me but appears to be still under UK copyright as was created in UK. Photographer, George Beldam died in November 1937. Copyright expires 31 December 2007. ~~~~}} —Moondyne 06:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. Someone will come along and delete it in due course. —Moondyne 09:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New img uploaded. There must be a headshot somewhere though. —Moondyne 16:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sydney 1894 Rail Map

Hi Astrokey - just wanted to let you know that your 1894 rail map is inaccurate - it leaves off the Royal National Park branch, which opened in 1886. The station "Loftus Junction" gives it away - as it was a junction to the RNP branch line. You should add the branch and the extra station. JRG 13:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

County Maps Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your superlative effort in putting a map on every one of the 141 Cadastral divisions of New South Wales--VS ^talk 01:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

7,459 Parishes completed!

When you get back from your break you will see that I am happy to report that all of the 7459 parishes (other than the small percentage described at the talk page at Cadastral divisions of New South Wales) are now detailed on each of the 141 Counties of NSW pages. Yippee to us! --VS ^talk 07:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was my pleasure on both issues (although at times I was seeing visions of parishes in my sleep!) BTW Welcome back from your break - hope it was most refreshing. --VS ^talk 22:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hi. May I ask what program you used to add text to this image [3]? Thank you. Slacker 13:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Sorry for a temporary confusion. Some days ago I really left you a message in the Commons, as you correctly indicated in my discussion page. I would be happy to listen to your opinion about the problem of leaving the map as it is now in the article List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita. I think this map can't stay in the article, because the List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita refers to 2006 figures, and the map (though updated) refers to 2005 figures. The other alternative is to edit another map which will represent 2006 figures. What do you think? Eliko 09:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Found these two..

Hey there, just found these two which still need a bit of your magic in the info box: Young County, New South Wales & Woore County, New South Wales --VS ^talk 04:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - Maps you found must have been awesome to look at! I'll let you know if I find any others missing.--VS ^talk 11:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old dot/loc maps

I think the general consensus in WA was that they looked a bit on the ugly side, don't hesitate to replace them if you have a superior one. Orderinchaos 06:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. :) Orderinchaos 10:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar :) Yeah I've gotten the WA ones down to a fine art now, and something of a template. I actually templated them one way before, and have revised it since. Really need to get the remaining ones done though... Orderinchaos 10:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No worries :) Yeah there's a few Mid West ones I need to create, that region is pretty quiet atm. Also Gingin and Goomalling which will probably be there before night's end anyway (they're within the scope of the Wheatbelt task force and we're trying to get all of them done.) Orderinchaos 11:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond Capricorn

On 19 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Beyond Capricorn, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 16:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aust. politics

Hi Astrokey44, thanks for the excellent state political party map, could you please join the conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Genius image, it would be great if we could update it and expand it back further, I'd be happy to put some work in on it if you let me know how. Thanks, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 14:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RE:WA LGAs

Thanks I will be adding it once its finished, im about 2/3 done. Hossen27 03:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You for the barnstar. Hossen27 10:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1892 NSW electoral map

Great map, clarified various things on the history of NSW electorates, which I have been trying to work out without maps.--Grahamec 03:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PNG image software

Hi, Astrokey44, which is the best and free software to create or edit PNG image, please tell me some or one is enough. Thank you. --Aleen f1 07:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]