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While this is technically true, adding non-controversial material is not a problem usually William M. Connolley 21:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Frances Ruane[edit]

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August 2008[edit]

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ITN[edit]

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January 2009[edit]

Richard, you appear to have been edit warring on Energy economics. That your position may be correct would not prevent you from being blocked for edit warring. Please seek consensus, do not simply reassert prior text, but attempt to find compromise. If faced with intransigence, get help. As a minor issue, you seem not to be properly signing contributions. You should use four tildes at the end of your edit, which the software will automatically convert to links to your user name, your talk page, and a datestamp. That's "~~~~." Thanks for your participation in Wikipedia, it's appreciated. --Abd (talk) 12:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Abd. Richard Tol 13:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard Tol (talk) 13:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I now fixed my signature. There is extensive discussion on the energy economics talk page. I do tire of repetition, though.Richard Tol (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Richard. Don't consider yourself obligated to reinvent the wheel. Yes, it can be tiring. Don't worry, even if you did nothing more, what you've argued will be considered. Just do what's easy, trust the process and the other editors. And remember to have fun. Thanks for writing on the Disputes page. I edited it to make it impersonal. What I aim for on that page is something we can all say to, "Yes, these are the issues." Without other editors having to read reams of argument. I think you can mostly sit back and watch, kibbitz from time to time, and help us out as you see fit. --Abd (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Non-economists versus experts[edit]

Hello Professor Tol,

In the article The economics of global warming, and section 'Criticism of aggregate costs', I noticed that you changed the word 'experts' to 'non-economists':

'Some experts are critical of how economic studies aggregate costs of climate change damage.'

The papers I referred to in writing the above sentence included economists, so I think the distinction you made is incorrect.

Kind regards Enescot (talk) 05:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies[edit]

Hi. I have emailed you to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change (survey described here). If interested, please email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 20:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Experts[edit]

I've noticed that appeals to editors' credentials, or the lack thereof, provoke a strong negative response here at WP. "She has not identified herself as any authority in any field, nor is there an obvious link between Skip and an academic authority" is giving Skip ammunition. CRETOG8(t/c) 12:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks, JQ (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Economics of global warming[edit]

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Significant coverage[edit]

Hmmm, the bars aren't being moved[1], at least not from my side. My focus has been on the weight of the issue, specifically when there is significant coverage.

My analysis goes a bit like this:

  • Monckton letter => fringe. ie. No one seems to have taken it seriously
  • Telegraph COI claims => has been copied in some other media and some opinion columns/blogs (including one by you), most notably the Australian.
  • Telegraph TERI story => may turn into something for the TERI article - but for now it is a story on accounting problems.

The story simply hasn't gained any real traction (yet?)--. For a story that potentially has this enormous news-value, i would have expected other large british media to have commented, as well as the US ones (German?), as well as something that i could read in the Danish news.. Though it may still gain that traction, after all the weekend just ended. Compare these news-bites with the coverage of Pachauri in general >3000 articles in last month alone, and it fades to almost nothing.

To be specific: For now it looks like the Telegraph has a thorn in the side of Pachauri (perhaps even for good reasons), but it hasn't evolved into significant coverage yet. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 21:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Lomborg objections[edit]

While your objections to Lomborg's rankings were certainly discretion itself, I would nonetheless be grateful if you would point me in their direction so that I can add them to his page. Dduff442 (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The objections you refer to relate to the design of the 2009 CC project.
It would be more proper to correct a statement that is at least partly correct rather than to simply delete it. You did participate in the 2009 CC project and that did result in emissions control being ranked last yet again, with Lomborg's faulty designs being central to that failure once more. Strangely, he spends all his energies on his lowest priority and never learns a thing in spite of rubbing shoulders with experts such as yourself.
What about the Lomborg/Yohe dispute in the pages of the Guardian in Aug-Sep 2008, when Yohe described Lomborg as "a persistent global warming naysayer"? Did you object to Lomborg's design at the time, or to his subsequent characterisation of your work? Did you counter Lomborg's media campaign? If not, I'm at a loss as to how to reference a non-occurrence. You're in the best position to correct the statement as originally written.Dduff442 (talk) 22:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
As already stated, the objections you refer to relate to the 2009 CC project. Your objections to the 2009 project design are noted (and will be added to Lomborg's page presently) but are not relevant to this discussion. In the interests of clarity, I ask that you clearly distinguish between the two from now on and I shall attempt to do the same.
Moving on to the 2008 project and the resulting media dispute between Yohe and Lomborg, Lomborg wrote in The Guardian on Aug 15, 2008 that your collaboration with Yohe produced "a survey of all the problems and all the benefits accruing from a temperature rise over this century of about approximately 4C. And yes, there will, of course, also be benefits: as temperatures rise, more people will die from heat, but fewer from cold; agricultural yields will decline in the tropics, but increase in the temperate zones, etc.". He elided these remarks with a reference to "costs running into tens of trillions of pounds", and claimed that R&D alone "will actually fix climate change in the medium term".
Is it not correct to state that no complaint from you appeared in any media outlet about what I acknowledge was a mis-characterisation of your study, a study that was itself subject to numerous criticisms from Fog, Markandya, Green and others? Is it not furthermore correct to state that you had opportunity to advance your point of view in the media prior to starting the 2009 project? I'd like to reiterate that I'd be very interested in any such objections for the purpose of adding them to Lomborg's page.Dduff442 (talk) 12:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
We appear to have reached an impasse, then. I'm going to make a few closing remarks for the sake of completeness.
You say that I "have no evidence for your opinion on CC08, so I cannot say whether you're for or against or indifferent". The reason this is true, however, is that you haven't been entirely forthcoming. I believe it is a fact that you never spoke out against Lomborg's "misrepresentation of your findings" but you don't need me to tell you about the logical difficulties involved in referencing events that never occurred. You may be discouraged from editing your own wikipedia page, but this has not stopped you in the past.
I will have to content myself with adding a reference to your most recent comment on my talk page to Lomborg's wikipedia entry. Dduff442 (talk) 13:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
You just left me a message stating "No journalist has ever asked me whether Lomborg correctly cites me. He rarely does, but he does it so often that I could spend all my time writing letters to the editor". While this statement cannot be categorically associated with the 2008 CC project, it is a fairly emphatic statement nonetheless. It is in fact a much more general statement than I had sought.(edit: Though I'm certain it is of no interest to you, I'm going to mention that my name is Adrian Kelleher of Kanturk, Co. Cork. I do not wish it to be said that you were disadvantaged by engaging openly while I enjoyed anonymity) Dduff442 (talk) 13:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

COI[edit]

I think you will need to lower your profile on the Rajendra K. Pachauri article, you are very close to becoming a party in the current debacle, and thus should disengage at least from that part of it. The case that you are adding yourself to people who want him to resign, and have been quoted and written Op-ed's about it, makes it rather suspect. For what it is worth, i do not think that you've overstepped, but you have become involved. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:56, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Especially the last Der Spiegel opinion[2], by you, Pielke Jr. and von Storch, make it clear that you now are part of the debacle. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 19:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm getting slightly concerned that you are using wikipedia to act as a WP:SOAPBOX (#2,#3) here, to push your views on Pachauri. It is good that you've excused yourself from the subject, but it isn't good that you are using MN as what could be seen as a meatpuppet.[3] --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 11:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The meatpuppet charges are ludicrous, but I do agree you should tread very carefully on the articles where you have external involvement. Talk page engagement is fine, but I would refrain from direct article edits on Pachauri or anyone else you directly confront in your external writings. ATren (talk) 16:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Kim that is ludicrous, and i would like you to retract that statement please. mark nutley (talk) 22:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Mark i formulated my words quite carefully, please read it again. What is more concerning is that Richard isn't backing away, but is still pushing for inclusion[4][5], despite his assurance of the opposite. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 23:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Hang on a minute kim, adding links is not the same as debating for inclusion is it? I asked him to add new links if he found any. He stated he would take no further part in debating about it, and he has`nt has he mark nutley (talk) 23:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
And that was (imho) bad advice, but never the less, the last comments on weight of specifics, isn't just "adding links". --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 23:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Richard, as long as you don't cross the line into soapboxing, feel free to add relevant links and arguments to the talk page. There is absolutely nothing wrong with good faith discussion article content, no matter who you are. ATren (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of interest report[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:Rtol. I have asked that you be topic banned from Rajendra K. Pachauri. Hipocrite (talk) 22:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

WG II?[edit]

Apparently you say it is illustrative of how sloppy Working Group Two (the panel of experts within the IPCC responsible for drawing up this section of the report) has been [6]. Is that everyone else, or does that include you? William M. Connolley (talk) 12:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Richard was one of the ar4 authors was he? --mark nutley (talk) 12:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Pachauri[edit]

Hi, I see that you recently edited the Wikipedia biography of a person whom you have very publicly called on to resign. Do you think that's appropriate or ethical? --TS 09:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Tony i believe he was just tidying up the ref`s in the new text i inserted. Noting unethical about that is there? mark nutley (talk) 15:32, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with your recent comment on TERI and Pachauri's finances. Unfortunately, TERI has never published accounts, and Pachauri has lied repeatedly about his financial relationship with TERI (he is paid a low salary by them, officially) so the truth right now is hard to find. The only reason the financial anomalies mentioned are related to TERI Europe and not TERI (based in India) is because in Europe (unlike India) you are required to publish your accounts. Conveniently though, TERI Europe has earned just under the amount where you have to officially publish your accounts for the last few years, so they have not published accounts either. --Angstriddenyouth (talk) 20:40, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics census[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Familypedia[edit]

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Environment[edit]

Hello Dr. Tol. If you have the time, could you perhaps take a look at Talk:Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change#Source request? Thank you, NW (Talk) 14:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Familypedia[edit]

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see template:familypedia, now an inline template. hopefully this is acceptable. Frietjes (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
now re-nominated at WP:TFD. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)