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37th Congress article has to show men there.

Some would count Texas seceded at the popular referendum, February 23. Nevertheless, in an Article about the 37th Congress, an account should be made of the men certified, seated and attending.

The detail is further down in the article, Texas Senators, Louis T. Wigfall (D), served until March 23, 1861, vacant thereafter. But John Hemphill (senator) (D), served to July 11, 1861, until expelled by Congress. His seat went vacant thereafter. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 04:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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The portion of the article I corrected didn't say 'There was no one from Texas participating in 37th Congress when Ft. Sumter was fired upon.' It said that five states, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Texas were drawn "into the confederacy with their more Southern sisters". That's quite true of VA, NC, TN, and AR, but Texas had formally joined the Confederate States of America on March 2nd, 1861. It was over a month later that Sumter was fired upon. The attack on Ft. Sumter didn't draw Texas into anything.

Possibly the original author meant something like 'The attack on Ft. Sumter caused Senators and Representatives from five Southern states to withdraw from participation in the 37th Congress.' But regardless of what was meant, what was actually written was just wrong about Texas.Saintonge235 (talk) 10:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The cite was from the History of the Senate webpage, quoting the retired Secretary of the Senate memoirs. Sumter is fired on in April, Texas' most esteemed jurist, John Hemphill, withdraws only on expulsion in July. Makes me want to find out his rationale. He, at least, apparently believed he was representing Texas in some way. While you are addressing the facts on the ground in Texas at the time, my guess is there was a mindset in the Senate and with its Secretary, that as long as Mr. Hemphill was present in the US Senate each morning, Texas was present in the US in some way. I would speculate there was an "inside the beltway" mentality in the Congress before there was a beltway. Towards concensus, I agree to your expunging reference to Texas in the narrative. It is well enough to have the dates of service in the Senate roll. Thanks for the good eye to chronology. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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And thank you for the complement.

I agree, the Texans that stayed in Washington after March 2nd probably felt that they were representing Texas in some way. By staying they could look after the interests of Texas and its people, even if they personally believed that Texas was no longer part of the United States. If they agreed with the North that secession was unconstitutional, then they were doing the job they were elected to do. And there are other points of view they may have had.

I just felt that the article as originally written conveyed the impression, in that paragraph, that Texas hadn't seceded yet, but decided to secede after Ft. Sumter was fired upon, when Lincoln called for militia to suppress the rebellion.

Of course, the article was clearer down below, but not everyone reads everything. I think it's better to avoid creating possibilities for misunderstanding for those just skimming, or only reading part of an article.

In short, a minor correction, but one I think worth making.Saintonge235 (talk) 19:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia claims that content must be neutral and verifiable. I believe it is neutral and relvant to describe Dath as a Marxist when he writes about politics, just as it would be neutral to describe him as an sf author when he writes the obituary of another sf author. If "Sanderstein" thinks he that I'm wrong, he could try putting forth an argument. Instead, he deletes material he doesn't like. Saintonge235 (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Ah, I didn't see those books in the "works cited" list. I'll refrain from adding them, then.Saintonge235 (talk) 12:30, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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And concerning the "three edits" rule, I note that every time I have edited this post, my contribution has been removed by a different person. Again, how am I to resolve differences with people who won't discuss the issue with me?Saintonge235 (talk) 13:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I can't find an edit to Talk:Anita Sarkeesian in your contributions. Can you provide a diff? Tiderolls 13:45, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Tide Rolls, I can't find it either. Maybe it didn't post for some reason. My edits were being deleted because I had allegedly used an unreliable source. I pointed out that Larry Corriea, my source on Utah gun law, is a certified firearms instructor for Utah. He had posted just what the UoU needed to do to legally exclude guns from Sarkeesian's talk. That is, set up a secured area with safe lockup for firearms outside it, metal detectors on the entrances, and guards. UoU could have done this, but didn't. I also noted that immediately after the claim that Sarkeesian cancelled because guns couldn't be excluded there was a sentence that cited the Washinton Post, saying Sarkeesian cancelled because UoU refused to put metal detectors on the entrances, which confirms Corriea's point.

While we're on the subject of reliable sources: Obviously, a newspaper editorial is a reliable source for the official position of the newspaper. A newspaper editorial or news story isn't necessarily a reliable source for the requirements of the law. Just look at the corrections columns most run. And citing multiple newspapers doesn't mean much, as so many news outlets quite understandably copy material from each other. So I find it rather odd that anonymous writings by individuals of unknown qualifications counts as a 'reliable' source because a newspaper printed it, but the statements of a man whose former profession required him to know the relevant Utah laws is rejected as unreliable. I strongly suspect bias, as Corriea's right-wing political views are anathama to many. But the question of what Utah's law requires and allows is factual, not political.Saintonge235 (talk) 02:20, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

This is not the optimum venue for a discussion regrading article content. Tiderolls 01:42, 9 November 2014 (UTC)←

Book of the Garand

Greetings. I'm trying to track down anyone who might have a copy of Hatcher's Book of the Garand. I see you added a reference to it and so I thought you might have access to it. I'm trying to verify or improve a big chunk of text added to Pedersen rifle back in 2007. The nearest library to me with a copy is hundreds of miles away, so any help would be appreciated. Rezin (talk) 05:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I got my copy through interlibrary loan. I not that Amazon has it, http://www.amazon.com/Book-Garand-Julian-S-Hatcher/dp/1934044253/ and http://www.amazon.com/Book-Garand-Julian-S-Hatcher/dp/1614273359/ for around $10.00 plus shipping.Saintonge235 (talk) 10:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that info. I don't have free ILL at my library and hope to avoid spending money to verify one old article. (If I was going to buy one of Hatcher's books I'd want to get his Notebook - it sounds like a classic.) There's another active editor who's cited the Garand book, so I'll check with him. Also, free free to make any improvements to Pedersen rifle - the complaint is that it goes into unencyclopedic speculation. If it's anything you know about you could probably do better with it than me. Rezin (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

If you send me the information you need verified, I can get the book out again and look it up. I'll have to look at the Pedersen rifle material in a day or so. Busy trying to make repairs to an appliance.Saintonge235 (talk) 19:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Gee thanks! There's absolutely no rush. The material in question is the big addition made in this edit: [1]. While verification is important (and maybe making sure it isn't just copied), it'd be nice to maybe find a way to make the text more concise. Right now it devotes a lot of space to "legacy" and other side issues. It's a tricky topic - while it was perhaps an influential design, and was built by a famous designer, it was also a unsuccessful prototype with only a dozen or so rifles built. Maybe the information on field strippig is overlong too. You're an experienced editor - see what you think. FYI, I'm just pursuing this because a "suggestbot" put it on a lit of articles needing attention. User:Rezin/SuggestBot So this is just part of general project improvement. Thanks again for helping out. Rezin (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, I've requested the book from interlibrary loan. When it get here, I'll look at the material. "The Book of the Garand" has a fair amount of interesting stuff on the Pedersen, and the reasons it was rejected, but I wouldn't want to depend on my memory for the article.

Thanks! If I may, I'll leave it to you to improve the article however you see fit. It's a fascinating topic, but the article itself may not be written in the usual encyclopedic style. I'll move on to the next item on my list, but feel free to pull me back in if you need any help. Rezin (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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