User talk:Sue Rangell/Archives/Thursday 16th of January 2014 04:55:20 PM

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Non-Admin Closures

Reminder: WP:NAC is not policy, it is only an essay. My closures follow WP:NACD (actual policy), thank you.

Please place your complaints here. It appears that no matter how an AfD is closed, it will offend SOMEBODY, therefore please place your complaints below. I will read them all, but I will not respond to them if they are rude. I am also likely to ignore your threats helpful comments and advice if your own closures are regularly up for deletion review... I do not take a simple head count of the !votes, I consider consensus and Wikipedia policy. I close Afds that are WP:SNOW keeps. Or if they are hopelessly locked, with three or more relistings, as WP:NOCONSENSUS. If they have less than three listings, I relist. If I closed a 20 day old hopelessly deadlocked discussion as "no consensus", please do not accuse me of doing a NAC on a "controversial" thread, as obviously there was no consensus, and it was wasting everyone's time, and needed to be closed. --Sue Rangell 18:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I have undone your NAC as it met none of the criteria listed in the appropriate conditions for a NAC. Please review WP:NAC and restrict yourself to appropriate cases where appropriate. Hasteur (talk) 04:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
  • You are free to do so of course, but I think it's a big waste of time. There is no chance of it being deleted. I closed it as "no consensus" because there isn't a consensus, nor will relisting likely result in a consensus, as it has already been relisted... In the interests of saving a lot of people a lot of time, I hope you will reconsider, but if not, it will most likely be closed as "No Consensus" anyway. Be well. --Sue Rangell 04:30, 5 January 2013
You were wrong sue. The article was closed by an admin as a Keep. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
  • There is no right or wrong. No need for drama. "No Consensus" defaults to "Keep", so there is no real difference in how the article was closed, just a (very slight) difference of opinion between the closing admin and myself. Since the nominator was angry at my closure for not DELETING it, I am sure the backlash would have been considerably more had I closed it as a Keep, rather than "No Consensus". Either way, the article still stands. It was not deleted. --Sue Rangell 01:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Let me say this another way: You were unable to see the consensus that was right in front of you. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Let me say THIS another way... I don't like drama. I try to be very friendly to everyone that I meet on Wikipedia. The last thing I want to do is quibble with somebody, on my own talk page, the difference between a "No Consensus" and "Keep". It is the tiniest of judgment calls. The absolute tiniest. Other than what you are doing here, you seem like a very nice and rational person, so I am willing to discuss this trivial matter with you, but I will not muddy up my own talk page with it. This discussion must continue on your talk page, thank you. --Sue Rangell 02:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
No Thanks.I have made my point PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 02:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Very well then, I appreciate your input. Happy editing! --Sue Rangell 02:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Windows 8

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Please comment on an RfC about Living members of deposed royal families and the titles attributed to them on WP

I have opened an RfC on articles about living members of families whose ancestors were deposed as monarchs of various countries and the titles and "styles" attributed to these living people, often in a misleading way and inaccurate way in my opinion. Please join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies "Use of royal "Titles and styles" and honorific prefixes in articles and templates referring to pretenders to abolished royal titles and their families"[1].Smeat75 (talk) 05:03, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done (but probably not in the manner that you had hoped.) --Sue Rangell 19:05, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Infoboxes vs navboxes

Hi. I just saw your addition of Category:Music infobox templates to Template:Stereolab, and was wondering if you might re-consider some of your recent edits.

The WP:Navboxes are totally different things from WP:Infoboxes, and should be kept in separate categories. Only "infoboxes" (the meta-templates that are shared across many unrelated topics) should be in the music-infobox-category. The "navboxes" (such as the Stereolab navbox) should all be in subcategories of Category:Music infobox templates (in the case of Stereolab, it was already in Category:Indie rock group navigational boxes).

Hope that helps. –Quiddity (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea how that template got onto my edit list. I was careful to add the Category:Music infobox templates only to infoboxes. My apologies for the error. Thank you for the correction. I will go through and double check my work. Be well. --Sue Rangell 19:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi. No worries. As someone said to me years ago, "You're not a real Wikipedian until you've made, and learned from, at least 50 mistakes", and I'm still racking them up! Just to narrow it down, it looks like these 128 edits are the ones that need reverting (a few of them already have been). Sorry, and Thanks! :) –Quiddity (talk) 07:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
What a mess. Thanks for bringing this to me. I think it's all cleared up now. --Sue Rangell 21:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Protected templates

About this - which were the templates that you wanted to add categories to, but couldn't because they were protected? These all need to be converted to use {{documentation}}, but despite my remarkable clairvoyant abilities I think I might need your help to find them. :) If you could give me a list of them or something, that would be very helpful. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Of course! But I was intending to go through my list and make the requests as you suggested, so I could meet the quota requirement. Won't that mess me up now? I would like to eventually have the responsibility so I don't have to bug admins to do these minor edits all the time. --Sue Rangell 21:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's more of a guideline than a quota. :) I would personally give the same weight to it whether you made edit requests for all of them separately or whether you gave me a list, but I can't speak for other admins of course. If you gave me a list it would take me less time to answer, but then I suppose making the requests separately might give you some practice in using sandboxes and the {{edit protected}} template. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other, really, so just choose whichever one suits you best. Hope this helps. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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 Done --Sue Rangell 21:58, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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 Done --Sue Rangell 21:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Infobox album

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 Done --Sue Rangell 21:55, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your support. Cheers. Kraxler (talk) 12:17, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

You are most welcome! --Sue Rangell 19:35, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit counter opt-in

Hi Sue. :) Would you be willing to opt in to X!'s Edit Counter? People at RfA usually like to look at the extended stats that you can only get access to from opting in. I'm no exception - I was just about to post them on the RfA talk page when I noticed that you hadn't opted in yet. Best of luck, by the way! — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:14, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmm. Thought I had already done that a long time ago. Must be my aging brains. I will get right on it. :) --Sue Rangell 19:59, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. Just a note that you still haven't opted in. I hope you do so soon, as you clearly plan on running the RFA gauntlet again and that's pretty essential stuff for doing that... Best regards, — Tim /// Carrite (talk) 02:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't think that not opting in was the reason for the piling on, but I'll definitely have it done before next time, if there is a next time, so nobody has any excuses. Thanks for the reminder, be well. --Sue Rangell 19:51, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

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Merry Christmas!

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

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Merry Christmas

Many thanks, you too! GiantSnowman 08:43, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Ditto. Thanks very much and all the best for 2014! -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 17:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello back!

Hi Sue, no worries and thank you for being so forthright. I'm a firm believer in common sense and wish that much of arguing that's been happening had more "common sense" injected into it... :) I'm also a gun control advocate, but my definition of "gun control" includes allowing any and all law abiding people to have them while keeping them from people who are not or that shouldn't have them for mental or similar problems. It also includes not making those same law abiding people into criminals because they chose to exercise this right. I have to say that I respect and appreciate your contributions and I hope that we can all be more dispassionate about the subject matter. Best regards, --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Blog

I'm not saying that THIS is a reliable source, but it does suggest that the anti-Heller view is not quite so fringy. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

THANKS! I really appreciate it!! --Sue Rangell 20:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)