User talk:Takabeg/Archive 2

Yakin tarih

Merhaba. Sizin de yakın tarihle ilgilendiğinizi görüyorum. Sizce de uygunsa yazışmak isterim, eğer bana Vikipedi üzerinden email gönderirseniz cevaplarım. Saygılar, Filanca (talk) 18:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Ve aleyküm. Yakın tarihiyle ilgilenmekten ziyade POV-pushing historiography özellikle Türkiye'nin etnosentrik tarih yazımı (uydurma bayraklar, abartılmış haritalar etc), Türkçü tarih anlayışı, Yunan şovinist tarih anlayışı, Kürtçü tarih anlayışı, Zazacı tarih anlayışı ve saire ile mücadele ediyorum :) Yukarıda da Antidiskriminator'un sorusuna cevaben belirttiğim gibi e-postayı kullanmıyorum. Gerektiğinde bu ortamda size de yardım etmeye çalışırım. Takabeg (talk) 02:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Tamam :) Zor bir iş gerçekten, tebrikler. Yunan şovenizmine karşı çıkayım derken bir taraftan istemeden Türk milliyetçiliği yapan kaynaklara saplanmak veya tam tersi, veya iki tarafın milliyetçilerince karşı tarafı tutmakla suçlanmak, eleştirlere maruz kalmak gibi tehlikeler var. Ama yaptığınız şey çok faydalı. Türklerle ilgili maddelerde bol miktarda taraflı bakış açısı var ve bunun temizlenmesi gerekli. İyi çalışmalar dilerim, Filanca (talk) 11:02, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Birde Farsçılar da varmış. Takabeg (talk) 02:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Uzun süredir. Şu an gördüğünüz daraları alınmış hâli. Ansiklopedi için milliyetçiliğin her türü tedavi edilmesi gereken bir hastalık. Ama yalnız birine tedavi uygulayıp ötekileri salıverince de başka bir tür TBA oluyor. Filanca (talk) 10:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Eyalet of Kefe

That was fast! Thanks =) — LlywelynII 04:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Valpuva/Valpovo/Tomato

I replied to your question on my talk page. — LlywelynII 04:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Eyalet of Bosnia

Since you seem to have your hands on a source, when you have time, could you double-check and source the date of formation for the Eyalet of Bosnia (Bosna)? Different places or articles give it as 1527 (i.e., before Budin Eyalet), 1560, and 1580, and I have no way of being sure which is correct. — LlywelynII 04:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. I cannot promise. P.S. We have to distinguish Ottoman and Turkish languages. See you. Takabeg (talk) 04:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

eyalet of Uyvar

"Do you have any sources about the eyalet of Uyvar ?"

I am afraid not. Where it was? PANONIAN 05:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

"What"?

Please stop this nonsense [1]. They took away their property, restricted their education and freedom of religion, only because of their ethnicity. In other words, discrimination. Look it up in the dictionary. And like Cplakidas told you, "Athenean is correct". So shed your ethnocentrism and please stop this. Athenean (talk) 06:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Author had never mentioned "state-sponsored discrimination". This is your POV-pushing composition and/or invention. I don't understand why Cplakidas thought so. Because I think him a reasonable and comparatively neutral user. I think he misunderstood. Anyway personal opinions cannot change sources. You'd better clarity issues. Takabeg (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Re:?

Hi Takabeg,

Thank you for nice words about me. I really do my best to be always neutral.

One of the things I am not neutral about is Ad hominem. I have very strict opinion about it. You wrote a comment about one user and his/her inclination. That might be seen as violation of WP:NPA. You could say the same thing with only paraphrasing your comment and referring to his/her edits not to him/her. It looks like it is the same thing, but it is not.

Those who write comments about users and not about their edits can easily remain unsanctioned for quite a long time. But they are undertaking a big risk that someone will collect all those comments and present them to the wp:ani or wp:ae. That means they undertake a serious risk to be blocked or banned. Especially if they have been warned about it. Regardless if they were right or not.

You are very often right in disputes you have with other editors and I would not be frustrated, if I were in your place, if my superior arguments don't win. I concluded that most of users who interacted with you showed a lot of respect to you in their edits (including Beyond My Ken). Most of their edits carefully explain their point of view and provide detailed explanation about all raised issues. Sometimes I really envy you and wish I had/have the same treatment. :) --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Merci. Neo-Ottomanism is very popular in Turkey in last decade. That map is also created under the influence of Neo-Ottomanism. At the same time, traditionally Turks are under the influence of Pan-Turkism (most of them are not so extremist). This is caused by Turkish Historical Theses (formerly), Turk-Islam synthesis (since late 1970's) were adopted as a official historiography by the Ministry of National Education. They are very harmful to neutrality of Wikipedia. But some users cannot understand it. See you. Takabeg (talk) 08:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Pashalik of Yanina

This is another eyalet with a suspiciously early date of formation listed (also Herzegovina Eyalet). Maybe that was the creation of a sanjak, but seems dubious for the eyalet. When you've got a minute, please check it out and patch it up, thanks. =) — LlywelynII 15:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

OK. Now I'm not at home, so I don't have printed sources. I'll check later. Takabeg (talk) 15:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

K. Have a good day! — LlywelynII 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Sanjak of Niš in Rumelia Eyalet

There is obviously only one source for that claim.

• E. J. Brill's first encyclopaedia of Islam 1913-1936 By M. Th. Houtsma says: "The pashaliks of Pristina, Nis [qv] and Tetovo, originally part of the eyalet of Rumili, were transferred in 1839..."

Taking that in consideration I removed Niš from list of sanjaks in Rumelia Eyalet. Thank you for noticing this mistake of mine.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

At least between 1700-1730, Sanjak of Niš was not a part of Eyalet of Rumeli. Probably it was involved later. But I don't have any sources at present. See you. Takabeg (talk) 16:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

For the Barn Star. Also, do you have a list of Iranian villages in English, or even in Turkish, which I can read OK, or Azeri in the Turkish alphabet, which I can usually read without problems too? The missing vowels in Farsi makes the correlation among sources difficult, especially as many villages have similar names, often differing by a single (unwritten) vowel. Also various parts of names such as Hajji, Qeshlaq, Qaleh seem to be used or not used without any explanation why sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have a list of Iranian villages in English, in Persian, in Turkish, in Azerbaijani. I'll tell you when I will find. Takabeg (talk) 22:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

X Armenia

Don't have time right now to deal with this. I left a note on the user talk page and restored things to where I think they should be. If there are problems let me know and I'll block this user if needed. I'd rather not, but if needed it is an option. If the future, any editor can use the user warnings templates to start the warning process if someone is out of hand. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:31, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. As long as I understand, he/she is a new user. I asked Marshal to lecture basic rules for him/her. Regards. Takabeg (talk) 01:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

First, I'm a male. Second, I'm not new to Wiki, so I need no lecture from anyone else. And last, I did that formal part that you requested. If you have any arguments against that name ("United Armenia") please present it to me. --Yerevanci (talk) 02:28, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. But you don't know WP:3RR (Meskhetian Turks). Takabeg (talk) 02:42, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Renaming Eyalets, Vilayets

Since you're going around reformatting the Ottoman provinces based on WP:ENGLISH and WP:COMMONNAME, just wanted to draw your attention to my reply at Talk:Adrianople Eyalet. The common name there (by a factor of 6) is actually "Province," which suggests reworking the pages so (e.g.) the Province of Adrianople page will have an "Eyalet (1826-1864)" section and a "Vilayet (1864-1922)" section, with disambigs back from alternate names, spellings, and titles. — LlywelynII 02:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I understood, maybe. For example, Province of Van (disambiguation). Takabeg (talk) 06:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi.What can I do for you?--Orartu (talk) 03:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Not for me, but for User:Carlossuarez46. He asked ... do you have a list of Iranian villages in English, or even in Turkish, which I can read OK, or Azeri in the Turkish alphabet,.... İlgilenirseniz sevinirim. Takabeg (talk) 03:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Buna bakarsınız: [2]--Orartu (talk) 09:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Sağolun. Kendisine doğrudan gönderirseniz sevinecektir. Hoşça kalın. Takabeg (talk) 10:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Map

That user is obviously not editing actively. Maybe we should first wait for the response of original author?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 05:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes that user is not active lately. Now we have know mistakes of map, we should not use seek that map till then. I think this is common sense. Takabeg (talk) 11:31, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I am still not sure what to think about and if it is better not to have a map at all or to have a map with mistakes. I have to think about it more before I conclude what I think is the best solution. Taking in consideration that it would not be so hard for skilful mapmaker to correct those mistakes, I would present this case to Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop. I will propose this on the WPOE article page. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Will you please stop?

The file on Wikipedia is non-free because it was taken from another website. The one on Commons is free because it was made by a Commons user and released by him. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

No. Takabeg (talk) 01:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

If you do not stop, I will be forced to report you as disruptive. Your miunderstanding of copyright and wikipedia policy is not my problem, but I can not allow you to disrupt a page because YOU don't understand things. I've tried explaining this to you 5 times, I've had enough. http://www.dzkk.tsk.tr/english/HOMEPAGE.php clearly shows the shield in the seal, that verifies it, so veerifiability is not a problem either. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:54, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

If you want, you can report. Anyway we cannot use unsourced emblems, and according to the application in Turkish Wikipedia, we'd better think that is not a public domain. And uploaders don't have any right of falsification and deformation. Takabeg (talk) 01:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

It IS sourced!!! Not onlt from the pre-existing file File:Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Forsu.jpg, but also from this official photo from the Turkish Navy: http://kr.img.blog.yahoo.com/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/33/img_33_13415_5?1183951568.jpg and this one too http://www.patricksaviation.com/files/photos/full/21762_16222.jpg It is real and sourced. As for your understanding of copyright, that isn't my problem, that's yours. You need to understand that every different version has different rights. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ta1283/21762/ Look here, the picture is owned by the Turkish Navy. That prooves that the seal is real. They wouldn't have it in their photo if it wasn't. That's PROOF it is real and sourced. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/ta1283/21762/ is also copyrighted. I cannot understand why you won't try to files as non-free image. Takabeg (talk) 02:11, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Because the copyright is the photo, not the seal. The seal would have it's own copyright when it was first made, which was probably an the begining when the Turkish Navy was first formed. Copyright doesn't transfer the way you think it does. Look at this. File:Coat of arms of Singapore.png is on Wikipedia here, and is non-free because this design is copyrighted by the Singapore Government. But we also have File:Coat of arms of Singapore (blazon).svg on Commons as free. Why? Because the version on Commons is different, and was made by a Commons user. Every different version of something carries it's own copyright. It's the same with the Seal. It was made by a Comons user, so he owns it. He has releasedit on Commons as free, and that is why it can be there, and be used. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Commons users never hold such rights. It's very clear. I recommend you to transfer to each Wikipedia as non free image. When I have time, I'll nominate to delete all images in same situation. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 02:40, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

YES they do, and if you nominate the file for deletion, it will be kept for the same reasons I've been trying to explain to you. I'm trying to help you, but if you wont listen, you'll have to learn the hard way, and when the file is kept on Commons and your deletion nomination is denied, I hope you will finally realize that you are wrong. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Your explanations cannot change laws :) I think if you were a constructive and law-abiding user, you would start to work in each Wikipedias. Takabeg (talk) 02:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Even if what I'm saying wasn't true, the Turkish Navy was formed in 1921. If the seal was made when the Turkish Navy was formed, it's too old for copyright anyways, and would now be public domain. Infact, Turkish copyright law is 70 years from first publication, so the seal woud have to be made after 1941 for copyright to still apply to it. You're fighting an uphill battle trying to argue that it can't be on Commons. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri was not in 1941. Takabeg (talk) 03:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Gokturks

Takabeg where do you get the info that the Gokturks are of Iranian origin. Two historians are mentioned in the article, what does the other Turkic historians say about it. Is it an established fact?!!! among historinians? selamlar. Orrin_73 14:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.191.60 (talk)

Azarbaijani Kurds

Hi Takabeg.This article Azarbaijani Kurds doesn't have enough sources and some information is incorrect.The history of all kurdish tribes in Iran shows that they are immigrant from neighbor countries.For example Amarlu(ایل عمارلو) tribe(kurmanj tribe) has come from Aleppo(حلب), Piran(ایل پیران) tribe (Sorani tribe) has come from North of Iraq in 19th century, Mosulanlu tribe(ایل موصولانلو)has come from Mosul(موصل). Jalali tribe(ایل جلالی) has Armenian roots and come from Armenia, Zafaranlu tribe(ایل زعفرانلو) has come from Çemişgezek and Deyrulzafarân Manastırı with Assyrian roots,... Kurds have never been native to Azerbaijan and Iran.Regards--Orartu (talk) 02:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you have any sources to prove them ? Takabeg (talk) 03:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes,Various documents about the history of these tribes show this, I will gather them. This site belongs to Kurds of Iran and it speaks about the origin of some Kurdish tribes (in Farsi language)[3]

For example:

• Feyzollah beygi tribe(ایل فیض الله بیگی):ايل فيض الله بيگی خود را از اعقاب اين فقه احمددارشمانه که در روزگار حکومت تيموريان در عراق بوده می‌دانند ، اما تاريخ و علت آمدن آنان به ايران زياد روشن نيست.

• Geverk and Mangur tribes(ایلات گورک و منگور):

ايل گورک که خود را از القاب وَسمان ( عثمان ) آقا و خضر آقا مي دانند و چند سال قبل از ايل منگور از عراق به ايران آمده‌‌اند. ايل منگور در زمان سلطنت کريم خان زند تحت رياست « باپير آقا » از عراق به منطقه ايل «‌تيموری» روی آوردند.

• Mamesh tribe(ایل مامش):بعد از جنگ سلطان سليم عثمانی باشاه اسماعيل صفوی يک نفر از جانب سلطان عثمانی به نام «ملا‌ادريس » به منطقه اشنويه می‌آيد، عشاير مامش خود را از اعقاب همين ملا ادريس می دانند.

--Orartu (talk) 05:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• Amarlu "The Kurds of the 'Amarlu tribe (qv) formerly also held most of the villages of the Bar district"(Historical gazetteer of Iran, Volume 2, Akademische Drucku. Verlagsanstalt, 1981, p. 446.) Takabeg (talk) 03:48, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• This[4] is a Kurdish blog about Piran tribe, the Kurdish writer of this blog has written:

از مطالعات انجام شده در محل ، چنین استنتاج می شود که بعلت بروز جنگهای منطقه ای و ایجاد نا امنی و هرج و مرج در مناطق کردنشین در حدود سال 1280 ه . ش ایل پیران از مناطق کرد نشین شمال عراق فعلی ، احتمالا رانیه ، به محل روستای کهنه خانه کنونی آمده و مکان ذکر شده بعلت دارا بودن چشمه آب دائمی ، اراضی حاصلخیز کشاورزی و مراتع مناسب برای دامداری جهت سکونت برگزیدند .--Orartu (talk) 03:53, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• This Kurmanji site[5] about Dehbakri tribe (ایل دهبکری) is said:بنا به تاريخچه ايل دهبكري اسم ابتدائي اين ايل قهرمانلو بوده كه در اواخر سلطنت نادر

شاه از كردستان تركيه به ايران آمده اند.--Orartu (talk) 03:58, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. As long as I know, blogs are not considered as Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Takabeg (talk) 04:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes I know. I only wanted to show, the Kurds themselves know their origin and even in their blogs have shown this.--Orartu (talk) 04:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• This site [6]is said Amarlu tribe has come from Erzurum(ارزروم):

كوچ‌نشینان عمارلو در بیش از پنجاه روستای دهستان عمارلو و در دو طرف شاهرود و سمت راست سفید رود (از پل منجیل تا دیلمان) زندگی می‌‌كنند. این كوچ‌نشینان در قرن شانزدهم میلادی به این حدود كوچانده شده‌اند و از ایلات كرد می‌باشند. كردان عمارلو یا ریشوند تیره‌ای از ایل بزرگ «ببه» هستند كه به فرمان شاه‌عباس اول هشتصد خانوار از آنان از ارزروم تركیه به این محل كوچ داده شده‌اند.--Orartu (talk) 04:10, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• Rabino is said Rashvand or Rasvand tribe has come from Sulaymaniyah(سلیمانییه):Rišvand (or Rašvand)(q.v.). According to Rabino, the Rišvand formed part of the Bâbân tribe of Solaymâniya(سلیمانییه) and were moved to Gilân by Shah 'Abbâs I. (See Fortescue, pp. 319-20; Mardukh Kordestâni, I, pp. 100-1; Afšâr Sistâni, pp. 132-34.)--Orartu (talk) 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
• Russian Kurdologist Avrianof about Armanian roots of Jalali tribe said:

جلالی ها به هشت تیره تقسیم می شوند, آنها از فرزندان شخصی بنام جلال بوده ودر اصل ارمنی هستند که به مرور زمان کرد شده اند .--Orartu (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you improve the article Jalali (Kurds) ? Takabeg (talk) 05:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• This site is about Kurds of Khorasan [7]--Orartu (talk) 05:45, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

In In Iran after the Islam, the word kurd would generally refer to nomads of West of Iran not certain race or people Then Shaddadids, Rawadids dynasties who had Yemeni Arab roots from Azd tribe were not Kurd dynasties. --Orartu (talk) 05:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Six vilayets problem

Can you indicate one difference between this two articles - Western Armenia and Six vilayets??? It is just the name of Western Armenia during the end of 19th century and the beginning of 20th century. It's like if you make an article for Eastern Armenia and another one for the term "Russian provinces of Armenia". It's nonsense. So we should be merge them. --Yerevanci (talk) 17:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

İyi geceler

İyi geceler Takabeg.Siz kürtmüsününüz?--Orartu (talk) 18:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hayır. Dünya vatandaşıyım. Ama Kürt tarihiyle ilgileniyorum. Takabeg (talk) 22:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Özü Eyalet / Silistra Eyalet

Sorry for late answer. I am not sure are they same. Here is a source that mention Silistra Eyalet in the 18th century: http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/balkans/xsilistra.html I do not have other sources about that. PANONIAN 21:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Sock

I'm not sure. In any case, the removal of the names seems valid and for living people, required by WP:BLP. I don't think the evidence is sufficient at least yet for an SPI. Dougweller (talk) 11:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

That user removed not only living people, but also historical figures. The pattern of removal of them show close resemblance. Anyway I'll go to SPI. Takabeg (talk) 11:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

United Armenia

Wait??? If you're not answering to my questions, what's the point of waiting??? I asked you questions on the talk page and you didn't answer, so I assume that you either don't care or agree with me. --Yerevanci (talk) 02:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Users don't have to reply any questions. Users don't reply to especially irrelevant questions. Anyway you'd better avoid lawless behavior and make action in accordance with the rule. Takabeg (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I see. You just proved that you're wrong. You don't have a proper answer for it, that's all. --Yerevanci (talk) 03:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry

Hi,

If I offended you in the talk page of Istanbul Pogrom I am sorry about that. I will try not to repeat again. I was really tired and I could not judge what I was writing after some point.

Ali55te (talk) 05:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Don't remove sources

Why did you remove sources ? Please don't repeat such lawless behavior. Takabeg (talk) 10:52, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Pardon, nerede kaldırmışım? Öyle bir kaynak yoktu, sen ekledin sonradan. Ayrıca Türkiye'deki illerin başkenti yoktur. Bizzat Türkiye'de yaşayan biri olarak bunu rahatlıkla söyleyebilirim.--Rapsar (talk) 10:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

See capital + "Erzurum province". If you have sources that prove your argument, please use Talk:Erzurum and show them. Takabeg (talk) 10:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

You removed source. Takabeg (talk) 10:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC) See capital + "Erzurum province". If you have sources that prove your argument, please use Talk:Erzurum and show them. Takabeg (talk) 10:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Bir şey yoksa onun olmadığını nasıl ispatlayabilirim? Türkiye'deki illerin başkenti yoktur. İstanbul ilinin başkenti İstanbul şehri midir? İstanbul şehrinin sınırları tüm ili kapsamaktadır. Senin dediğin mantıkla İstanbul ilinin başkenti ilin tamamı olmuş olur. İllerin başkenti yoktur Türkiye'de. Merkez ilçe vardır çoğu ilde. Bu merkez ilçe de diğer ilçeler gibi belediye ve kaymakamlığa sahiptir. Ve ilçe gibi hareket eder, ilin geri kalanıyla "alası yoktur".--Rapsar (talk) 11:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Capital means not only başkent, but also chief town, metropolis. principal city etc. Takabeg (talk) 11:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

You can use "seat" like other articles ;)--Rapsar (talk) 11:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

• I have added a source. --Seksen (talk) 11:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Merci. Takabeg (talk) 11:38, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

• Ankara the capital city of Erzurum. Neutral words, please add the item to write something that is not a real violation of neutrality. Let's be objective--Tacirci (talk) 17:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Your rewrite

Your rewrite was constructive. Thank you. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 16:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, however it still needs improvement. Can I remind you that you also reverted a lot of other useful and sourced contributions included in these edit without giving reasons. For example your quote from Bollens are wrong. Also we've already seen that Nicosia (not South Nicosia) has more references in google books as the capital of the Republic of Cyprus, yet you keep adding that. Masri145 (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Why error ? You can use Talk:Nicosia. Takabeg (talk) 00:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

You can then correct these errors Masri. Thank you. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 17:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Why error ? You can use Talk:Nicosia. Takabeg (talk) 00:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Shalom

Shalom, Iggydarsa. Nerelerdesin ? Burası taraflı kullanıcılarla dolu, cidden şaşırmıştım. Bu tarafa gelmeyecek misin ? İngilizce Vikipedinin sana ihtiyacı var. Seni çok özledim :) Takabeg (talk) 19:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Vaaaay patron nerelerdesin sen. Senden haber alan nolsun? viki tr'yi biraktin galiba. orda sana bi iki msj attim ama geri haber alamadim. viki tr'nin millilesmesinden sikayetciydin o yuzden orayi biraktigini tahmin ettim. bak goruyosunki taraflilar her yerde, tr'yi biraktiysan oraya donmeni tavsiye ederim, sana en'den cok tr'de ihtiyacimiz var. Su anda is yerinde oldugum icin youtube'u acamiyorum ama evde bakarim. Benim ilk vikidostum olarak bende seni ozledim :) --Iggydarsa (talk) 17:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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Talkback

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Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 13:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Takabeg.Please don't distort the history of Azerbaijan.If you write Azarbaijan then you must use kord not kurd .Thanks--Orartu (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:No original research. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 14:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Kurds and Azerbaijanis have nearly same situation.They must not attenuate eachother.The Kurds' main land is Mesopotamia not Iran.They know this much better than me.Thanks--Orartu (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The international name of آذربایجان(Azarbaijan) is Azerbaijan.--Orartu (talk) 14:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

You can use Wikipedia:Requested move. Takabeg (talk) 14:46, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

By the way, is that article notable ? Takabeg (talk) 14:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Why I cannot use redirect?--Orartu (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Because of "Revision history of Azarbaijani Kurds", and there is no source to support your moving. Takabeg (talk) 14:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Dispute

I don't know exactly what's going on here, but maybe taking it to WP:ANI may not be a bad idea if this continues. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Could you see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard ? Takabeg (talk) 01:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Sen neci tarih anlayışıyla yazıyorsun? Bakıyorum da Ermenici gibisin. --88.235.245.150 (talk) 20:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)~"I'm afraid that such propaganda will help denial of the Armenian Genocide. " neden?

I don't wrote by any national historiographies. I'm (try to be) completely neutral. I'm not a "denier". But I oppose to propaganda of Armenians, Greeks, Turks, Azeris, Kurds etc. Takabeg (talk) 02:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

What ?

What ? Do you use any sources ? Takabeg (talk) 09:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Kaynaklara bakmadım. Zaten orada da "maddeye göre" dedim ;)--Rapsar (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

İnsanları kandırma yaw :)) Türkçe Wikideki tarafsız kullanıcılar mesela MS, Reality filan bu tarafa gelmiyorlar mı ? Açık konuşmam gerekirse, TR'den buraya giren kullancıların büyük bir çoğunluğu tam TR standartına göre davranıyoarlar. Maalesef.Takabeg (talk) 10:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Kimseyi kandırdığım yok :) Kullanıcı iki farklı kişiyi aynı kişi zannetmiş ve çift madde şablonu eklemişti. Madde içeriğinden yola çıkarak farklı şahıslar olduğunu söyledim. Farklı kişi oldukları zaten kesin. Herneyse, bizim tr Vikideki amacımız en doğru ve tarafsız bilgiyi Türkçe olarak da verebilmektir. Bilmem haberin var mı ama yeni bir sisteme geçildi son birkaç aydır. Editör hakkı olmayan kullanıcılar ve/veya anonimler maddelerde değişiklik yapınca hemen yansıtılmıyor. Editörlerin onayından geçtikten sonra, eğer uygun bulunursa kabul ediliyor. Artık keyfi değişiklikler de azaldı...--Rapsar (talk) 10:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Hayırlı olsun. Fakat orası pek tarafsız değil ve Türkçü kaynıyorlar. Gerç burada Yunancı, Kürtçü, Ermenici propaganda yapabiliyrolar. Buranın hizmetlilerinin o tür propagandalardan haberdar olmadıklarındandır, herhalde. Takabeg (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

İngilizce olsun Fransızca olsun her iki vikipedide de Ermeni, Kürt ve Yunan milliyetçileri cirit atıyor. Hatta içlerinde hizmetli olup yapılan şiddetli propagandalara göz yuman ve hatta bunları yapanlar bile var. Her vikipedinin kendi milliyetçisi olabilir ancak bu iki büyük uluslararası vikipedide bunların olması gerçekten dehşet verici...--Sabri76'^message 12:40, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Karsspor

Sabri, Kars S.K. = Karsspor ? Takabeg (talk) 01:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Karsspor is the right one. A long time ago, we had a discussion about this matter in tr.wiki--Sabri76'^message 12:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Johannes von Ronge

Vegaswikian closed, and then at my request, reopened discussion of what title the Johannes von Ronge/Johannes von Rönge/Johannes Ronge article should have. Since I think the way we've been describing what we as individual editors see as the appropriate title, I am asking prior participants to !vote explicitly on each of the three options at Talk:Johannes von Ronge, hence this notice. Since you've already done so, there's no need to do so again, but I want to be consistent and fair in these notifications. The article has also been listed at WP:RM. Thank you for your participation, --Nuujinn (talk) 19:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Lake Van islands' names

I've been thinking about the titles of the islands of Lake Van: Template:Lake Van So, I think that the title should be named by the official Turkish name and not the historical Armenian name. What you think??? --Yerevanci (talk) 02:26, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I think we can put official and/or unofficial Turkish names and historical Armenian names. If need, "unofficial" Kurdish names etc. Takabeg (talk) 05:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm talking about the title. --Yerevanci (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Title of eyalet/vilayet pages

I saw several talk page discussions about moving the page from "x eyalet" to "eyalet of x" which is more commonly used. Generally I agree with these proposals, but AjaxSmack has a point on the need to maintain consistency between an article and the next. I think we should have a discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire and settle the matter once and for all.--LK (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

As long as I understand, AjacSmack doesn't understand the complexity of administrative units of the Ottoman Empire. Takabeg (talk) 15:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

All the more reason to open a discussion where everyone can contribute :) --LK (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I would agree that a centralized discussion would be preferable to many similar but separate move requests. At the least, combining these requests into a multi-move would be much more convenient, at least until/unless it's made clear that they need to be treated separately. It would be easier both for participants, and for whoever closes the request(s).

They've hit the backlog again, and I think I'm going to combine them myself, and then post a note to a relevant WikiProject or two. -GTBacchus^(talk) 12:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Lezgistan

I think that we should split this into two articles:

1. Lezgistan (historical concept) or Lezgistan (geographical concept) - about the hisotorical / geographical region called Lezgistan
2. Lezgistan (political concept) - about the political / irrendentist movement by Lezgin nationalists

I think this should be acceptable. What you think?? --Yerevanci (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

No need. Takabeg (talk) 03:22, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Turkish copyright law

The speedy tags you made simply are not any of the valid reasons for speedy: if you have to explain why a page of any sort should be deleted, your explanation must be made in a deletion discussion. You've made a good case for an FFD or a PUF, but not a good case for speedy. Nyttend (talk) 11:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I discharged my duty. That's all. Takabeg (talk) 11:41, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

You might be interested in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 September 21#PD-TR-Gov. Comments appreciated. Thanks for your good work. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:44, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Merci. PD-TR-Gov is acceptable. But that is applied incorrectly. Do you know about them ?

• File:Seal of the Turkish Navy.svg - abuses copyright
• File:Emblem of TuAF.svg - abuses copyright
• File:Kkbrove yeni.png - abuses copyright, but according to Wikipedia OK (Non-free media)
• File:TSK-emblem.svg - abuses copyright, but according to Wikipedia OK (Non-free media)
• File:Turkish Gendarmerie.jpg - abuses copyright, but according to Wikipedia OK (Non-free media)
• File:Turkish Coast Guard Logo.jpg - abuses copyright, but according to Wikipedia OK (Non-free media)

Takabeg (talk) 08:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "NG" above, actually. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

As long as I know, NG means No Good in Japanese English (I'm interested in Japanese animation lately :)) I means files abuse copyright. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 08:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I provide precise information but POV-pushers don't want believe them. Takabeg (talk) 08:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Former villages in Hakkari

Hi, could you please take a look at some of the Dağ İçinde, Hakkari, Karakilise, Şemdinli. They were destroyed in 1915 and a google search didn't yield any results of modern villages WITH these names in Hakkari, at least not in English. Could you search in Turkish to see if they do exist. Thanks.--Rafy talk 19:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I don't have info on those villages. Maybe ku:Gundên navçeya Şemzînan will help you. Takabeg (talk) 23:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I couldn't find them so I guess they were not resettled.--Rafy talk 09:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that the name Dağ İçinde is very strange for the defunct village in 1915. Takabeg (talk) 09:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Karakilise (Derareş) is same with ku:Bedgaruk. Takabeg (talk) 09:40, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Oylamalar

Bunların nasıl karara bağlandığı sorunlu gözüküyor. Şu oylamadaki duruma bakılırsa, ortaya konulan savların önemi (varsa bile) sınırlı. "Mahalleden çocukları toplayıp" TBA yorumlarıyla kelle sayımına sokun, sonra "muvafakat yok" diye teklif reddedilsin. Mantıklı sav ortaya koyanların sesini kısmak için her zaman işe yarayacak etkin bir yöntem gibi gözüküyor. Ne dersiniz? Filanca (talk) 15:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Sanırım kapatan kişi WP:NOTDEMOCRACY ilkesini unutmuştur. Takabeg (talk) 15:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Ekonomik krizinden dolayı mı boş vakitlerini burada geçiriyorlar mı bilmem, Yunan milliyetçileri kaynıyor. Lefkoşa, Kıbrıs gibi maddelerde de öyle. Birde Zazalar, Zazaca maddelerine hiç baktınız mı ? Takabeg (talk) 15:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Tamam, aynı görüşteyiz. Önce şu kararı alan kişiyle konuşarak devam etmeyi düşünüyorum. Filanca (talk) 15:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Merhaba. Bkz. [8] Filanca (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Buna da [9]. Oylamayı kapatan kullanıcı, taraflar doğru şeyi doğru ilkelerden hareket ederek savundukça daha fazla ayrıntıya girmeyi uygun bulmadan muvafakatin varlığına baktığını söylüyor. Filanca (talk) 12:04, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Tenedos'un modern olup olmadığı tartışılmalı. Bahsedilen ilke doğrultusunda Yunanistan'ın yer adlarını İngilizceleştirmeye çalışıyorum da, bu sefer Yunan milliyetçileri karşı çıkıyorlar : )) Takabeg (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Iranian Americans

Hi can you keep an eye on Iranian-Americans: 1) A user is trying to put Persian from a separate source into American from another source.. however, what is importantis google books/scholars definition. 2) I created a terminology section 3) Please read my arguments in the talkpage with this regard. Things are explained in detail including dictionary definition. 4) This may be of interest [10] Let me assure you that users here are actually lobbyists menions by the wikleaks. That is why Wikipedia is not good for now as such topics are edited by lobbyist groups.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.222.120 (talk) 20:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC) 

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.222.120 (talk) 20:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

number of speaks vs number of people

thanks for the clarification.. this point should be mentioned in the article..--108.18.222.120 (talk) 14:02, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick Question

How do you report someone of misconduct on Wiki? TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 20:53, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement‎ etc. Takabeg (talk) 00:22, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Football Match Rely

I don't actually speak Turkish, but from a quick glance at the sources they seem to be focused on the match (based on the pictures, dates, etc. used). It definitely looks notable to me. Ravendrop 17:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

New section

Merhaba Takabeg jan. Nasılsın? "Վանա կատու" translates into "Van cat" or "Cat of Van". Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Two Similar Questions

Hello Takabeg. Is there any Wikipedia policy/rule/right about using local names for places, locations, seas, lakes, and other similar subjects? Or we should use only official (government) and international names? Also what about people? For example people of different ethnic groups in a specific country with only one official language? Should we use only official name in official/country language or related ethnic's language can be used? Thanks. Gazaneh (talk) 12:26, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

As long as I understand, for article titles common names in English language are used. In text, various names (historical names, alternative names) can be used. Takabeg (talk) 12:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Gazaneh (talk) 13:44, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Abdurrahim Tuncak

• Selam Takabeg. Abdurrahim Tunçak ile ilgili bir resmi commons'a yüklediğini gördüm. İlgini çekerse [11] ve [12] ları da commons'a yükleyebilirsin ve bende d1'den silebilirim. Kolay gelsin.)--Reality006 (talk) 13:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Sağol. Onlar temiz olmadıkları için yüklemedim. Ama sırf seni kırmamak için demin yükledim. Artık silebilirsin. Bu güzel ama henüz KM değil. Birşeyi soracaktım, Türkiye'nin askerî bröve ve amblemlerinin KM olmadıklarını biliyorum. Kanunda değişiklikler yapılmadı değil mi ? Takabeg (talk) 13:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Musti ve Fikriye'nin fotoğrafını silebilirsin. Takabeg (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Teşekkürler sildim. Bu arada onla ilgili bir yasa değişliği hatırılıyorum. Dur ona bir bakayım sana döneceğim şimdi.--Reality006 (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Yok bahsettiğim değişiklik sadece İstiklal Marşı'nı kapsamaktaymış. Gördüğüm kadarıyla son 2 yılda da dediğin konuyla ilgili bir çalışma yapılmamış. Yani hala telif hakkı saklı askeri bröve ve amblemlerin.--Reality006 (talk) 16:27, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Şunları hiç inceledin mi ? [13], [14], [15] etc..... Bildiğim kadarıyla Türkçe Vikide Bizim değil onların (Commons'un) sorumluluğudur zihniyeti var :) Takabeg (talk) 01:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Var tabii Vikipedi'den def ettikten sonrası bizi bağlamaz falan bazen bana da geliyor öyle düşünceler.) Biraz da üşengeçlik işte. Ama son zamanlarda Rapsar biraz da ben ilgileniyoruz. Geçen günlerde 5-6 dosyayı sildirttim telif ihlali sebebiyle. O sayfalara cevap yazmak isterdim ama telif hakkını Türkçesini zor anlatıyorum İngilizcesini nasıl anlatırım bilemiyorum. Benim sana yazdığımı İngilizce'ye çevirip o sayfaya yazarsan belki faydası dokunur. Gerçi verdiğim linkteki mevzuatta Türkçe ama nasıl olur bilemiyorum yani. Bu arada Rapsar'ın dikkatini birşey çekmiş. Çok şahane bir araç. Silinmesini istediğin dosyanın otomatik olarak SAS sayfasını oluşturuyor hiç denemediysen bir dene acayip güzel. 6-7 dakikanı alacak işi 10 saniyede hallediyor.)

Bu arada hesaplamalarıma göre 30 Eylül'de Türkçe Vikipedi'de telif ihlali olan dosya kalmayacak. Geçen gün 300 tanesini birden işaretledim birkaç güne silinecekler.) Hea unutmadan kullanıcı sayfanın geçmişi küfür dolu. Birazını gizledim ama baya fazla. İstersen son stabil sürüm hariç tüm sürümleri silebilirim.--Reality006 (talk) 03:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Şunda bir sorun yok gibi sanki listeye eklemişsin ama. 70 yıl meselesi.--Reality006 (talk) 03:10, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

1930 yılında mı çekildi ? Takabeg (talk) 03:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Şunda da sorun yok gibi.--Reality006 (talk) 03:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Bu da 1925 yılında çekilmedi. 1925'te daha genç gösteriyordu. Takabeg (talk) 03:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Okey o zaman. Kaynak verseler güzel olurdu. Vikipedi'de kaynaksız olduğu için silinebiliyor commons'ta da belki öyle bir kural vardır.--Reality006 (talk) 03:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Şunları da silebilirsin:

tr:Dosya:Ernest Renan-standing.jpg = File:Ernest Renan 1876-84.jpg

tr:Dosya:Atatürk 9. ordu müfettişi 17 Nisan 1919.jpg = File:Rauf Bey met onderscheidingen.jpg

tr:Dosya:Faa.jpg = File:US-FederalAviationAdmin-Seal.svg

Birde tr:Türk Tarihinin Ana Hatları maddesindeki kitapların ön kapakları, o kitabın değil, lise ders kitaplarınındır. Silebilirsin.

Takabeg (talk) 12:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Bildirimler için teşekkürler. Şu dışında hepsi silindi. Onun silinmeme sebebi başka madde de kullanılıyor olması.--Reality006 (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Resimleri sildiğine göre, sen hizmetçi olmuşsun :) Kirli bir iştir (ben demedim, Yabancı adlı kullanıcı yazdı) dikkatli ol. Takabeg (talk) 13:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Sağolasın şu ana kadar mesele çıkmadı umarım bundan sonra da çıkmaz.--Reality006 (talk) 13:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Bu Kaynak yayınları tarafından basılmış yeni baskı olup tarihî değeri sıfır. Bence sil. Orijinale sadık olsaydı, ön kapağında Kemalist Eğitiminin Tarih Dersleri filan yazılmazdı :))) Takabeg (talk) 15:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Maalesef bu tarz bir gerekçeden silinmesi mümkün değil. Ama şöyle olabilir. Bana o dönemin orjinal kitabının kapağını bulabilirsen bunun üstüne yükleyebiliriz. Bu arada bu kapak hangi yıla ait tahminen?--Reality006 (talk) 13:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Elimde bir takım var (dört ciltli). Kaynak Yayınlarından Ekim 2000. Takabeg (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Dediğim gibi orjinalinin linkini falan bulursan ya da bana epostayla atabilirsen üzerine yükleyebilirim. Bu arada Türkçe Vikipedi'ye dönmelisin bence. Buradan mesajları falan görmek zor oluyor.)--Reality006 (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Mesela Türk Tarihinin Ana Hattları, Tarih IIITakabeg (talk) 02:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Teşekkürler. Orjinal haliyle daha güzel oldu. Yanlardan falan biraz kırptım. Güzel oldu böyle.--Reality006 (talk) 20:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Reality ! What's this ??? SAS. Takabeg (talk) 15:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Acayip dikkatlisin.) G4'ten silindi.--Reality006 (talk) 13:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Can you review and verify this article?

I think this article is an unreliable and original research/political propaganda. Because I think it doesn't have any reliable sources. Used UNPO, 1 weblog, 1 political party website, and 1 news page for its citations and sources. Wrong names in both article name and the content. It likes anything rather than a Wikipedia article. I think this article must nominated for deletion or it requires a lot of revision work and proper edits. Thanks. Gazaneh (talk) 13:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

To Short-lived Ottoman provinces

I created this page as suggested by the Afd about Zigetvar. I'm trying to add all the eyalets or vilayets that existed only briefly to this page. As always, any kind of help to complete the list will be more than welcome! Cheers!--eh bien mon prince (talk) 00:18, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

But the result of Afd on Zigetvar Eyalet (anyway this title is original research) was keep. I think you'd better stop to collect to Short-lived Ottoman provinces. Takabeg (talk) 00:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

It was, but several people agreed with Joy Shallot's proposal of creating an article to collect all those provinces. So you could say that there's a consensus for that.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 00:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

On a related matter: we could dump all that stuff about the Mosul question to Sheikh Said rebellion if it has to be kept somewhere.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 00:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

As long as I know, it (to associate with Mosul Question/Dispute) was Turkish official historiography (or propaganda). Takabeg (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I mentioned your name here. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I have opened a new discussion here.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Saygi1's continued disruption

Saygi1 has once again tried once again to remove the dispute tag without a consensus, despite objections several other editors. [16]. This is becoming very disruptive, I think an administrator should take a close look at this, someone should notify the admin who blocked and re-blocked him this month, of the fact that he's still disrupting Wikipedia. Kurdo777 (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

This is not only the problem of Saygi1. This is the problem caused by systemic bias. They cannot understand the discrepancy of the article. Did you see the article Greek genocide ? Some (not all) Greek and Armenian users cannot understand disputes on article. Did you see the article Zaza people ? We can easily detect Kurdish nationalistic propaganda on the article. But less-informed third party users and administrators cannot understand problems and consider simple "content dispute" etc. It's one of the weak points of Wikipedia. Takabeg (talk) 01:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you. But this Saygi1 character is taking it to a whole new level. He's essentially enraged in falsifying/manipulation of sources now. See Talk:Azerbaijani_American#The_manipulation_of_sources, this makes it a clear cut case, I don't think the administrators can ignore it now. Kurdo777 (talk) 02:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Kurdo777, I disagree with you. Stop making your disruptive edits and unfounded allegations. --Saygi1 (talk) 01:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Telif

Hi, Rapsar. What do you think on File:F-511 TCG Heybeliada MILGEM.jpg, File:F-511 TCG Heybeliada MILGEM corvette.jpg ? Takabeg (talk) 00:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi. En altta Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri © ifadesi var. Telifli resimler olması gerek. Silinmesi lazım. Şu detaylara dikkat etmene bayılıyorum doğrusu :)--Rapsar (talk) 09:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Bir soru

Bir şey soracaktım size. Acaba şu şablondaki köylerin ermenice isimlerini nereden buldunuz? Mesela bildiğim üzere Vazgenashen Gülablı köyünün ermenice ismi değildir, diğer köyün (köy ermeni köyüydü savaştan önce ama adı Ağbulaktı, yanlış hatırlamıyorsam Askeran rayonuna bağlıydı, Ağdama değil) ismidir. --N KOzi^Talk 11:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Ermenilere has ismi değil, bu siteden bulabilirsiniz. Bence faydalıdır. Zira Dağlık Karabağ Cumhuriyeti'nin yepyeni isimleri koyup koymadığına merak ediyorum. Belki de öteden beri köyün adı Azerice olup Ermenice derken Azerice'nin Ermeni yazımı kullanılmış olabilir. Elimde ayrıntılı kaynaklar yok maalesef. Takabeg (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Merhaba Takabeg. Galiba Vazgenasheni buldum. Bu köy Gülablı değil. Şuraya bakarmısın lütfen. Rusca bilip bilmediğinizi bilmiyorum. Ama şurada da bu köyün inşaatına dair malumatlar var. Bu köy Gülablı değil. Savaştan sonra Agdam rayonunun yerinde Gülablıya yakın bir yerde inşa edilmiş yeni bir köy. Galiba Gülablıdan geriye hiç bir şey kalmamış. --N KOzi^Talk 09:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Emeğinize sağlık. Talk:Gülablı sayfasına not bırakarsanız faydalı olacaktır. Takabeg (talk) 09:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Teşekkürler. --N KOzi^Talk 09:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Orada kimse oturmuyor mu ? Takabeg (talk) 09:40, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Şurada daha ayrıntılı göre bilirsiniz. Gülablı ve Abdal galiba boş. Vazgenashende 46 aile ve 220 kişi yaşıyor yazmışlar. --N KOzi^Talk 09:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Report

Takabeg, please see the report. Thank you. Tuscumbia (talk) 13:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as long as I understand, you don't have intention to avoid Azerbaijani ethnocentrism. Takabeg (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Takabeg, I kindly ask you to avoid this form of disruptive personalized comments in future and focus on the subject on the talk pages. I believe as a Wikipeditor commenting on a talk page, I can draw comparison to any similar Wiki articles used as examples. This note is a notification that a repeated attempt by yourself will be duly reported. Thanks. Atabəy (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Why ? I recommended for you, personally. You always compare Azeris with Armenians. It's not necessary to think Armenia and Armenians when we discuss Azeris and Azerbaijan. Takabeg (talk) 15:29, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Takabeg, you are not in position to make "personal recommendations" on a talk page of article or any other part of Wikipedia, especially using the word always. If you believe you are, I would be more than happy to request a third party opinion to determine whether you can or not. Atabəy (talk) 15:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Anyway Azerbaijani American is no relation with Armenians, that is related with citizens of Iran. Since I found that you derailed discussion with referring to Armenians in Talk:Azerbaijani American, I wrote recommendation in that page. You want to mention Armenia and Armenians, you'd better go to talk pages of those articles. Takabeg (talk) 15:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Takabeg, I can use comparison to any topical article that I see appropriate on the talk page. This does not entitle you to make personalized comments "recommending" me to "become independent" of Armenians or any other ethnic group. Again, my note here was simply a courtesy note for you to avoid such comments on myself or any other editor in Talk:Azerbaijani American or any other page. Atabəy (talk) 16:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Turkish diaspora

Hi Takabeg, my recent suggestion of making the Turkish diaspora into a disambiguation page has been reverted. I need to know, do you think my suggestion is the ideal solution? Have a good day.Turco85 (Talk) 10:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Better selection. Takabeg (talk) 10:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)