Wikipedia talk:Gender-neutral language

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The MOS is wrong[edit]

I've said many times that the MOS says to use GNL. However, many Wikipedians think that GNL is not important and should be used only where it can be done without causing ambiguity. Otherwise, it's best to just use generic male language. We need to change the GNL section of the MOS to saying either gender-neutral or generic male language is acceptable. Any thoughts?? Georgia guy (talk) 12:26, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Blatant lie[edit]

"Gender-neutral language does not inherently convey a particular viewpoint, political agenda or ideal." This is obviously not true, it conveys the idea that traditional stereotypes are not priviliged and should not be reinforced, which is not neutral at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:40, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Correction to Berean Hunter[edit]

Acthually, Berean Hunter, the term "mankind" is NOT gender-neutral, as it clearly has the letters of the word "man" in it. Where do women (or even boys and girls) fit in this word if it only has the letters of the word "man"? --Fandelasketchup (talk) 13:34, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

"he or she"[edit]

In a related essay, Wikipedia:Writing about women, it says:

The order in which groups are introduced—man and woman, male and female, Mr. and Mrs., husband and wife, brother and sister, ladies and gentlemen—has implications for their status, so consider alternating the order as you write.

The phrase "he or she" naturally belongs to this category. It's easy to see that "he (or she)" (that is, using the parentheses around "or she") should be avoided.

This suggests that I support that it's okay to use the singular they as long as there's no ambiguity. Any thoughts here??

Gender-neutral maintenence template[edit]

There is no article maintenence template available along the lines of "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's standards on gender-neutral language". Should such a template be created? See vintage (design) for an example of where it could be applied (in that case, for overuse of the term "manmade"). (talk) 05:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)