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February 5

Use of IABot

Hello, I have asked this question previously as it seemed to become a very minor issue a couple of months ago, but I'm here for a second time since it's come up again, so apologies in advance if we're going over old grond. For a while now I've been using InternetArchiveBot to add archive dates to articles, with only one minor objection by someone who reverted an edit in good faith. However, this evening two of my edits were challenged by an established user, who seemed to feel I was acting against Wikipedia policy (because Wikipedia doesn't have a policy on this) and out of personal preference. (see here for example) So, what I want to establish is whether or not what I am doing is acceptable or not. The reversions probably represent less than 0.01 percent of these edits, and there have only been two objections to them over that time. So can anybody offer some advice on this issue? Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 00:20, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Mea culpa. I understand that web archiving "can" be done, I just don't see why it is left to the whim of individual editors. If one editor applies archiving, why can I not decide on the contrary? We are not talking about articles with fragile cites, but bulk application of web archiving. Interested in the opinion of others. WWGB (talk) 01:20, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi WWGB, hope you're doing well. Per WP:LINKROT, "Editors are encouraged to add an archive link as a part of each citation, or at least submit the referenced URL for archiving, at the same time that a citation is created or updated." And this applies to each citation, not just fragile ones. Paul is actually doing quite a service by creating archives for links which lazy editors like me never cared to do. And link archiving definitely does improve our contents' referencing. My personal opinion is that I would consider edits that revert Paul's edits repetitively as disruptive. However, I can understand why you mention that it's left to the whim of individual editors. But so is all of editing. In the same way that you can't make editing compulsory or non-compulsory, you can't make archiving compulsory or non-compulsory. In other words, link rot archiving is absolutely good form. Paul edits because he wishes to improve the project. If you believe LINKROT should not be used by editors out of their personal choice, I would suggest go for an WP:RFC to get wider community opinion; but I don't see any sense in doing that. Warmly, Lourdes 03:05, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your detailed reply. WP:LINKROT also provides "or at least submit the referenced URL for archiving". So it seems the minimum standard is the existence of an archived cite, rather than its inclusion in every reference. As pointed out on another talk page, we can always resurrect a dead link from Wayback if it was archived, so it's not like we always have to have it right there following the source. If the WP community thinks the presence of an archive after every cite is prudent, someone should build a bot to archive every cite automatically. I have to disagree with bulk archiving. Regards, WWGB (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks WWGB for the reply. As per WP:LINKROT again, "The effort required to prevent link rot is significantly less than the effort required to repair or mitigate a rotten link. Therefore, prevention of link rot strengthens the encyclopedia." I don't know exactly why you're opposed to bulk archiving. Of course, other editors here might agree or disagree with you; but I would strongly suggest supporting linkrot avoiding efforts of editors like Paul than otherwise. Lourdes 07:20, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Does the wikipedia.org sopport display flowchart by input text based writting?

We can see there are some flowchart of .SVG or other format, and it is easy to out of date, and need to re-produce the flowchart, so does it possible to input text based material, and wikipedia.org will display the flowchart ? I searched and find 2 project in github ,"tkock/flowchartwiki" and "SemanticMediaWiki/Mermaid" ,but don't know if it's supported by wikipedia.org or not,thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsynet (talk • contribs) 01:23, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Looking for a template

Where's the documentation for the template which you put on article talk pages and essentially says, "I found this source which I think could be of use to this article, but I'm not sure how to appropriately incorporate the info, so here's the citation info so that other editors can refer to it?"--Martin IIIa (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

{{refideas}} {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:08, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Beautiful, thanks!--Martin IIIa (talk) 04:25, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

New Page

I created a new page under the name Emmanuel Aligizakis (Manolis) but I can't make it visible to readers. I also don't know how to upload a picture of the person of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmanuel Aligizakis (Manolis) (talk • contribs) 06:22, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

You have perhaps misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia. What you have put on your user page is not appropriate for a user page, and would be liable for deletion under criteria U5 and G11. I assume that you were trying to write an article about yourself, so you need to read the advice against that, at WP:Autobiography. In any case it would not be suitable as an article as there is no evidence of notability and there are no references. Befdore you try to write an article on a more appropriate subject you ought to read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Emmanuel Aligizakis (Manolis). You seem to have a misunderstanding of Wikipedia. It is not a social network where users can write their autobiographies. Your user page may contain a little bit of information about yourself and how you plan to contribute to Wikipedia, but it must not appear as a mock article as yours does. We very much discourage the writing of WP:Autobiographies, but if you are notable in the Wikipedia sense, then someone will eventually write an article about you. Sorry to disappoint you. If you have been written about elsewhere in independent WP:Reliable sources, then it might be possible to have an article, but it should summarise what the independent sources say. Do let us know if you find independent sources. Your user page doesn't have any. You might also like to read WP:Referencing for beginners. Dbfirs 07:54, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Cite video?

We can single out different pages of a book in a Wikipedia article like this...

Krulik, Nancy (2002). Lisa Lopes: The Life of a Supernova. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 1-4391-0409-3. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Krulik 2002, p. 83
Krulik 2002, p. 23

Can we do the same with videos too? Instead of pages I want to cite different "time="s of one video in an article.

Hoàng Vương, Tóc Tiên (October 17, 2014). Tiin Studio: Tóc Tiên wants to meet Vietnamese audiences more (YouTube) (in Vietnamese). Tiin.vn.  Event occurs at 2:06 minutes. Retrieved November 11, 2017.

Hoàng Vương, Tóc Tiên. Event occurs at 5:29 minutes. (?)

Please help. Thank you. Beyoncetan (talk) 13:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

This is an interview so should be cited as an interview; YouTube in not a medium but is a content deliverer that is different from the original publisher:

{{cite interview |interviewer=Hoàng Vương |subject=Tóc Tiên |date=October 17, 2014 |title=Trường quay Tiin: Tóc Tiên mong gặp khán giả Việt Nam nhiều hơn nữa |trans-title=Tiin Studio: Tóc Tiên wants to meet Vietnamese audiences more |via=[[YouTube]] |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SFriCKGeg&feature=youtu.be |accessdate=November 11, 2017 |work=Tiin.vn |language=vi |ref=harv}}

Tóc Tiên (October 17, 2014). "Trường quay Tiin: Tóc Tiên mong gặp khán giả Việt Nam nhiều hơn nữa" [Tiin Studio: Tóc Tiên wants to meet Vietnamese audiences more]. Tiin.vn (Interview) (in Vietnamese). Interviewed by Hoàng Vương. Retrieved November 11, 2017 – via YouTube. {{cite interview}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Then:

{{harvnb|Tóc Tiên|2014|loc=event occurs at 2:06 minutes}}

Tóc Tiên 2014, event occurs at 2:06 minutes

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:38, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Beyoncetan (talk) 23:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Zomba Catholic Secondary School

It is commonly known as Box 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamikani Watson (talk • contribs) 15:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hellom, Yamikani Watson. I'm guessing you are talking about the article section Zomba, Malawi#Zomba Catholic Secondary School. You are welcome to add information to that section provided you can cite a reliably published source that gives the information (such as a newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher). Information from an individual's personal knowledge is not acceptable in a Wikipedia article, because readers have no way of checking whether it is accurate or not. If you think it is important information to add, you could put a request on Talk:Zomba, Malawi, asking if somebody can help you find a published source.--ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Need to have only people with accounts do editing

Most of the vandalism and poor editing is from people who make changes without logging in to a Wikipedia account. I believe that editing should be limited to those who have accounts. If there is a more proper venue to voice this opinion, please let me know. Thank you. -- Bwefler (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

You should read about this perennial proposal at Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Prohibit anonymous users from editing. ~ GB fan 16:37, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I looked at it. Thanks ~ GB fan. -- Bwefler (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Template:£.s.d., or something?

Is there such a thing? I thought I'd seen somehting for putting around old money, but can't for life of me find it. Some MoS perhaps? Not sure that curency conversion applies to the 13th century though. Any help provided is, as usual, much appreciated! Cheers, >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:40, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: I searched for the word "shilling" in the template namespace, and stumbled across {{UK decimalisation}}. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:59, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks John of Reading, I appreciate your looking; I'm not sure that's quite what I'm after (mainly because I can't actually get it to do anything it the article!!!), but it's not that important. I'll probably come across it randomly at some point and hopefully remember that I wanted it when I do  :) Cheers! >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 18:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Artist

Hello,

I am in search of any others with my abilities and hoping you can help. I draw with both hands simultaneously while drawing images right side up at the same time I am drawing a different image upside down. The fifth element being of a spiritual nature most drawings are of what appears to be "Jesus Christ". Would you know of any others with this ability ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.242.113.1 (talk) 16:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello. This page is for help with editing Wikipedia, so your question is not appropriate. I don't really think it is a fit for the Wikipedia Reference Desk either; sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 00:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Template

Hello,

Can someone add the following to Portal:European Union/Cities/1 because I cannot.

London

Also replace the existing coat of arms of Portal:European Union/Cities/24 with the following (because currently it is Vienna's).

Tallinn

Thanks

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@WhatsUpWorld: I've fixed Tallinn by editing Template:Coat of arms. I haven't fixed London, because there's a note hidden in the template to say that File:Insigne Loninii.svg is only for the City of London, not for London as a whole. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. WhatsUpWorld (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

How to fix a biography of a living person

Hi, I need help figuring out to go about adding to a biography of someone for whom I work. I understand I have a conflict of interest and will request edits instead of making them myself. But I don't know how to find references for things like past degrees or work history--it's long ago and there's no longer a record on the websites for various institutions. But it's true and is info someone might like to know. It seems like adding info to a biography that is a stub would be valuable in general--I have the info, how do I get someone to publish it and how do I find references beyond linking to her CV? Thanks for any help.Cicinyoda (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

This appears to be relating to Judith Klinman. LittlePuppers (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it is--can you help me? Thanks.Cicinyoda (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I have added the banner for WikiProject Women Scientists to the article talk page. You may want to contact this project for assistance. Tribe of Tiger (talk) 00:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I don't can't help you a lot (I posted that in case anyone else wanted to look), but I'll try. There may be some information you can use from A google news search, although that appears to mostly pertain to her medal, and a few passing references. I'd recommend you look at WP:BLP (especially WP:NPF and WP:BLPSELFPUB), as well as WP:SOURCES. Although it's somewhat unrelated to your question, I'd also suggest wikilinking some of the things she discovered, if they have their own articles. LittlePuppers (talk) 00:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Complaint

Hello. I would like to file a complaint. I am getting so sick and tired of User:John from Idegon writing negative stuff about me. He is bullying me, harassing me, and leaving me personal attacks on both my talk page and his talk page. I am done. I have had it! If this user does not apologize to me for everything he has written, I feel like I want to block this user for harassment, cyberbullying, and leaving personal attacks. I am not being combative or insulting towards him in any way, shape, or form, but I have asked him four times not to write "Coleman" on my talk page, in which you can see my real name on my user page, but it seems like he either doesn't care, isn't willing to go to my user page and see my real name on it, or he doesn't seem to know what those words mean. He is fighting me and bullying me. A few days ago he called me stupid, and I am not stupid. Also, he asked me to stop leaving messages on his talk page, and I told him to stop leaving messages on my talk page back. I am just trying to get it through his thick skull that he is cyberbullying me and needs to stop. I demand a heart-felt apology from this user, because if he doesn't, I request for him to be blocked from editing until he can do so. He is such a bully, and I will not tolerate it anymore. Will anyone PLEASE leave him a message laying into him so he will be taught a good lesson??? Colman2000 (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello Colman2000. Right now, the best way to handle the situation is to back off from being antagonistic and get on with understanding how to edit and collaborate with editors here. John doesn't need to apologize to you or anything like that – he is neither fighting you nor bullying you; his misspelling of your name is not something to get so heated up about. My friendly suggestion is the same that John and others have given you – stay off his page and forget about getting even; and stop pinging him on other pages too. Thanks, Lourdes 20:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Lourdes: I understand that. Thank you so much for the help. Hopefully, John will have realized what he has done. Cheers. Colman2000 (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Colman2000: You might want to read WP:BATTLEGROUND and WP:COMPETENCE. Outbursts like this one are not wanted here. Dorsetonian (talk) 21:14, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Dorsetonian: Thank you for the links. I will look at them right now. Cheers! Colman2000 (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

This edit to User:John from Idegon is totally unacceptable, after all the warnings which the user has received. He keeps saying that he understands, but I don't think he'll understand until he is blocked. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:25, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: They are now. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

How do translations work?

Hello Fellow Editors!

I have created a few articles in my time. I am wondering how are all the translated articles created from English to other languages? Is there a request page anywhere to get pages created and translated? Or are there specific rules?

Thanks! --TheDomain (talk) 20:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translate us, and in a note at the top of WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:06, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

• Legend! Thanks David Biddulph ! --TheDomain (talk) 20:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Golden Eagle page

The current page is incorrect. It shows a picture as a (close up view), however it’s the wrong type of bird in the photo. It’s shown as a Harris Hawk and not a Golden Eagle. I can provide a photo of my own golden eagle which I took, if this helps, but I don’t know how to upload it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.17.53.94 (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Assuming you’re referring to the lead image in the article Golden eagle, the image is File:GoldenEagle-Nova.jpg, which is identified as being a golden eagle in the care of the raptor center at Auburn University. I’d be very surprised to learn that they did not know the difference.

That being said, unregistered users cannot upload images, but you can use the files for upload process or the preferred option of creating an account and uploading the image at Wikimedia Commons. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

The OP mentioned a close up, so perhaps the image File:Águila real (Aquila chrysaetos), Arcos de la Frontera, Cádiz, España, 2015-12-08, DD 06.JPG captioned "Close-up of head"? --David Biddulph (talk) 09:36, 6 February 2018 (UTC)