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May 30

Editing

How can one get paid for editing? Say three hours a day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C200:6029:90C1:7CEC:1E48:27D1 (talk) 01:59, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors are usually volunteers; some editors are paid (see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure) by employers unconnected to Wikipedia. So we can't really help you on this. You might be interested in the essay Wikipedia:Why to contribute. Eman235/talk 02:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Alternatives to Google News

Are there any better alternatives to the Google News aggregator? X-Editor (talk) 30 May 2019, 03:19 (UTC)

@X-Editor: You are in the wrong place. This help desk is for using or editing Wikipedia. However, see News aggregator and Comparison of feed aggregators.-Arch dude (talk) 02:31, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Sorry for being in the wrong place, but thanks for providing me with more info. X-Editor (talk) 30 May 2019, 03:32 (UTC)

@X-Editor: We also have a "right place": You can go on over to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing and maybe get a reasonable answer. -Arch dude (talk) 02:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I'll go over there, thanks again! X-Editor (talk) 30 May 2019, 03:19 (UTC)

Strange formatting induced by Wiki software

I have lately noticed in some article sections that initial words and phrases of a section's text are "orphaned" on one side of an image, quite separate from the paragraph to which they belong. This seems to me to be creating undue format confusion. See EXAMPLE. It's my hope that clever Wikipedians have developed a relatively simple workaround to condense such unfortunate initial paragraphs into a nice, compact chunk. If such a workaround exists, I'd be grateful to find out about it. Thanks--Quisqualis (talk) 03:42, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello Quisqualis. Can you double check your example link? It seems like a wrong link. Rehman 04:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Careless mistake on my part. Apologies!--Quisqualis (talk) 04:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Please quote some text from Juche#Origin and say what appears to be wrong with it. I can't see a problem there. Sometimes {{clear}} might be used to force following text to be below an image. Johnuniq (talk) 10:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Lo and Behold, the problem apparently was transient. Thanks for your attention, Johnuniq.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Need help fix the article"Poren_Huang" to "Huang Poren"

Please help me fix the article"Poren_Huang" to "Huang Poren" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poren_Huang thank you葡萄圓 (talk) 08:24, 30 May 2019 (UTC)葡萄圓

葡萄圓 Among the list of references we find both versions of the artist's name: "Huang Poren" and "Poren Huang". My advice would be to open a "move discussion" following the process explained in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial. You may also wish to address the large amount of unsourced praise and commentary in the article: Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

葡萄圓 You should also check Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese), which recommends that generally Chinese family names should come first unless the name is familiar with the given name first.TSventon (talk) 11:11, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Looking at his own website, which is in English, he uses "Poren Huang" to describe himself. I think that we would need a very good reason to change it. Mikenorton (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

葡萄圓 I have opened a discussion on the talk page. Mikenorton (talk) 20:04, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

And that discussion has resulted in the page being moved to Huang Poren. Mikenorton (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

"Brought here by a bot"

What does this mean? I don't just mean the technical meaning, but what is this phrase meant to convey? Should the editor who uses this phrase be dealt with differently? Should their response be dealt with differently? Positively? Or negatively? Why are editors prefacing their comments with this phrase?--Jack Upland (talk) 10:24, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Jack Upland, I'm not sure what you are referring to, could you provide a link? WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:06, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I've seen the phrase used before. I always thought it was just used in the same way as — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that editors have been canvassed to this discussion. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Jack Upland When you see somebody say they were brought by a bot, that usually indicates that there was an automated request for comment that randomly selected that editor based on their subscription preferences. It means that they are neutral and there to help with a tricky discussion that is possibly getting heated, and do not have a horse in the race. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. From now on I will preface my comments with: "I'm just a random dude who's trying to kill time".--Jack Upland (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Feedback

Asked at Teahouse: I would like to know how I am doing overall as a Wikipedia editor since January. If you find anything that I need to work on and needs to be addressed, please let me know. If you think I'm doing great, let me know. I appreciate your feedback. Interstellarity T 🌟 13:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

User page moved onto redirect

I'm not sure if this constitutes a page history problem, or if it should just be ignored: User AidenD created the scientific name redirect Gyps bangalensis via the unusual route of moving his entire talk page there, then replacing the content. Now we have a redirect with the history of a user talk page. Is this an issue? If so, I can't undo the move. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:25, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Would an admin or page mover consider reversing this move? – AidenD, I'm sure you meant no harm, but when you next wish to create a redirect, the way to do it is start with an empty page (search for the name you want to redirect, get told that the page doesn't exist, and choose the option to start the page), then set up the redirect as normal (WP:Redirect#How to make a redirect): Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:39, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Intelligence of Dogs page vandalized

They changed the two smartest dogs to Jack Russell Terrier, and Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. Both are great dogs but they should only show up once. They also made other random changes as Jack Russell Terrier shows up multiple times.

170.10.248.155 (talk) 14:39, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying, I've reverted the changes on the article The Intelligence of Dogs. – Þjarkur (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Respected Sir/ Madam, I have recently edited an article on "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NepaliSat-1" at reference 6 and 8. I think I have done all the changes which are necessary but still I am having this below error. Please Help me. Thanks in Advance.

Error : "There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diwas Poudel (Nepal) (talk • contribs) 16:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

There was an empty ref tag at the top of the article, now removed. Thanks for pointing that out. Mikenorton (talk) 16:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Can you help me ?

Hello,

My name is Darrion Scoggins. I am a musician / actor from Los Angeles California and I have links all over the internet detailing who I am. Can anyone help me write my article ?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dscoggi1 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Dscoggi1:Hi Darrion. This is an impressive list of where your work has been posted, but what I couldn't find much of is reliable third-party sources talking about your accomplishments, along the lines of the Respect Magazine article you referenced above Respect Magazine. It's this type of coverage, in multiple wide-spread, third-party sources that will demonstrate your notability as an artist. For guidance, see: WP:MUSIC. (Oh, and follow your edits with 4 of these ~. It's a way to sign them so other editors can easily see it's you and respond on your talk page. Orville1974 (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Dscoggi1: Also note that any article would be an article about you, not your article. You could not prevent others from editing it, exclusively dictate what appears there, or lock it to the text you might prefer. See WP:OWN and WP:AUTO. You should also realize that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable; there are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 17:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Editing a page due to incorrect information

Hello,

I recently tried to edit my relative's page per their request as the information is not correct. I was blocked from doing so. Can I edit to change information to factual information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolinablue10 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Carolinablue10: You removed cited information and replaced it with uncited information. We cannot accept any user's word for information; all information must be verifiable to an independent reliable source. r331dot (talk) 18:03, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

If a WP:Reliable source has published incorrect information about your relative, then you will need to ask that source to retract the incorrect statements and publish an apology. Wikipedia just reports what is published elsewhere, whether the subject likes it or not. If there are statements that are untrue and not supported by sources, then, because of your WP:Conflict of interest, you should request the changes on the talk page of the article. Dbfirs 20:12, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Talking to other Wikipedians Comment

I am aware of the fact that many Wikipedians are female which is why I am wondering whether I should talk about other Wikipedians as 'he' or 'his' as I have been doing as my natural inclination or would this be frowned upon, so I should just say 'they' or 'their'. Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I believe most Wikipedians are actually male; however, if you are uncertain about their gender(and some users do not identify as male or female), you should use they/them/their. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Did it sound like I suggested most Wikipedians are female? Apologies if it did I was meaning that a lot of Wikipedians are female. So you are saying I should use male pronouns, regardless of whether I know their gender? Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 18:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Willbb234 some users do display their gender. Whilst you can obviously call someone by whatever is suitable, if in doubt it is better to just be neutral. Wikipedia even has an option for it to refer to you as female/male/neutral in the user setting Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

{{He or she}} gives a way to use the user setting. Navigation popups shows a gender symbol if you hover over a user or user talk link for a user with the setting. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

PleaseStand's userinfo script also shows a gender symbol next to a user's name at the top of their user or user talk page. Eman235/talk 19:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Searching for an answer

It used to be that when I searched Wikipedia, after I found an article, edited it and then returned to the search screen, the cursor would be positioned at that article. Now it goes back to the top of the screen, which makes me a curser. Is there any way to restore the original behavior? Clarityfiend (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. This is probably due to a MediaWiki software update. You may be able to get a better answer at WP:VPT. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try there. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Regarding edits.

Alma mater of Dr Shamsheer vayalil is not shown on his profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.230.140.171 (talk) 20:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes it is. See Shamsheer Vayalil. If you are referring to the results of a Google search, Wikipedia has no control over what is displayed there although the results often imply that it does. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.). Eagleash (talk) 20:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Also your question was asked and answered here. Eagleash (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Fixing wikilinks to redirect pages

I am about to do a minor cleanup on an article that has a number of wikilinks to redirect pages. The process of checking the target for each wikilink, then checking (in edit mode) whether it has the right target name, becomes a bit laborious. Is there any faster way? I realize this is a pretty minor problem (unlike links to dab pages), since the redirects work, but I rather enjoy doing this kind of housekeeping. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 21:56, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@D A Patriarche: This is a little out of my wheelhouse, and isn't a bot solution, which is what I think you are looking for, but I noticed if you enable page preview in your appearance preferences, you can hold the mouse over and see if the bold term matches the term you are on. If it doesn't, then chances are it's a redirect, and you can edit the text to match the bold text. Try with 802.11b. Does this help? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Yes, I suppose I was hoping for a bot, or some nifty plug-in that would do all the work for me. The mouse-over preview does help a lot, but I still have to go to the raw edit text to see if the editor has already aliased the link properly. Sigh. I guess that's what I get for liking to do cleanup ;-) --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 01:14, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@D A Patriarche: You can make redirects green with User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects. I haven't examined which links you change but note Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:37, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you! That is clear & helpful, and saves me wasting time on unnecessary edits. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Edit to Jonas Lössl

I was hoping for some guidance as to why a recent update I made had been reverted. I received a message from Mattythewhite saying "I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Jonas Lössl have been undone because they did not appear constructive", and that I should raise here for more details.

My addition was "Following Huddersfield's relegation from the Premier League it was announced that he would sign for Everton on a free transfer on July 1st 2019."

This move is well documented, so I'm not sure why it's considered unconstructive in the career section of this footballer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48394816

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/24/everton-sign-huddersfield-goalkeeper-jonas-lossl-free-transfer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keir Royale (talk • contribs) 22:32, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Keir Royale: The main reason why your edit was removed is that you did not cite a reliable source; please see that page for more information and WP:REFB for how to add references. As a secondary issue the information was placed in the section about his loan to Huddersfield not the later spell with the club. It was also misplaced within an existing reference which meant it did not display in the page but rather as part of the references section. By far the most important issue is the lack of a reference. Transfer information without refs. is pretty much certain to be removed. The onus is on you as providing the information to add sources.(Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Eagleash (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Keir Royale: Furthermore, the sources you provide do not confirm that the signing has taken place. They say he is 'set' to sign which is not the same thing and can cause editing problems during transfer windows. Confirmation from clubs involved (together with independent reports) is more useful. Eagleash (talk) 23:23, 30 May 2019 (UTC)