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April 8

Impact

On January 21, 2017, the nationwide Women's March was estimated to have been the largest single-day demonstration in United States History. It is difficult to tell what type of legislative impact the march had on the U.S. Government. Still, it likely brought awareness to women's general issues, given the event's magnitude. The Lincoln March was one of three in Nebraska that day. The Lincoln March recurred every year, including 2020 when it was held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic. It remains to be seen whether the march will occur under the Biden administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kala miner (talk • contribs)

Duplicate of above. (I did not write this question; the user forgot to sign.) Félix An (talk) 02:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The user forgot to ask a question too! Chuntuk (talk) 09:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

References

Question about sneed and chuck

In a The Simpsons episode (E-I-E-I-(Annoyed_Grunt)), there is a store that is called "Sneed's Feed and Seed (Formerly Chuck's)". Does this mean the store was called Chuck's Feed and Seed? I don't get it. 105.111.91.78 (talk) 03:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

This is the desk for help in using or editing Wikipedia; we cannot help with other issues. Please try our reference desk who may be able to help. If you have a question relating to use of Wikipedia, please post it here. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:34, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

It's explained in E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt)#Legacy but I suspect you knew that. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit for INNO CITY wikipedia page

Hi I found an untrue content on INNO CITY page. It's saying "The development was built as a joint venture between South Korean Inno Group and the military-owned Myanmar Economic Holdings Limited (MEHL)." INNO CITY project is developed by INNO INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT CO., LTD. and this company is a joint venture of INNO GROUP and Myanmar local company, not MEHL.

I tried to edit this content, but my edit has undone because of unexplained content removal. Please let me know how I can remove the untrue content and change it to the real fact. Thank you.

Hello. First of all, apologies for reverting your questions here.

Based on the diff it is clear that you not only change the MEHL, but you also attempted to remove whole sections about the Controversy of this project, and also the plans of the project. When removing contents, you must justify your actions, such as providing verifiable references that the content is not true. SunDawn (talk) 07:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no way to determine WP:TRUTH. Instead, we use verifiable assertions based on reliable published sources (WP:RS). If a statement is supported by a cited reliable source, you must not remove it. If that statement is contradicted by a different reliable source, you can add that contradiction to the article and cite your source. If subsequent developments have changed the situation, is is sometimes appropriate to modify existing sentences (e.g., change the verb tense). -Arch dude (talk) 14:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

G5 speedy deletion

If a blocked user creates a page suitable for Wikipedia, should we request the speedy deletion for G5? Dr Salvus 14:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

It . . . depends. Be careful, you're kind of treading on a minefield with that question. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Jack Fallon - Urgent

Hello, When Googling the name "Jack Fallon" a Wikipedia page comes up with a Jazz Musician. However, Jack Fallon is a CEO for a large health company, and his picture is attached to this article. How can we attach the right article for when people search Jack Fallon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.160.166.234 (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

We cannot control what Google shows, you need to contact them

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link to Wikipedia's article Jack Fallon. We do not have an article on the businessman or on any other persons who share this name. The businessman might, but probably does not, merit a Wikipedia article of his own, as it is unlikely that he has garnered much coverage by independent reliable sources unless he is prominent, for reasons beyond merely doing his job competently, that might make him Notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the term. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.136 (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Yup - no Jack Fallon of Total Life Changes that I can find. A Google search shows that he's unlikely to qualify for his own article. The image in this article appears to be jazz musician Jack Fallon.[[1]] If his article had a photo, it might override the businessman's photo in the search results. Anyone more knowledgeable with Wikipedia copyright guidelines know if uploading it would be considered fair use, since he's not alive anymore, and there's no visible copyright info on the site? Can we infer that it has been placed in the public domain, thus meeting the fair use guidelines? It also appears here, with no photographer attribution [[2]].TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:12, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton:. We assume all images are fully-non free copyrighted unless we have affirmative (and verifiable) evidence to the contrary (e.g., a release into the public domain or under a suitably free and compatible copyright license), or some situational status by which it passed into the public domain (such as publication before 1925 or that it was taken by a U.S Federal employee as part of their official duties, etc.). The lack of claimed attribution or copyright symbol is irrelevant. It might be able to be used under fair use since he's deceased, if some time was spent looking for a free image, and none could be found, but there's a conceptual mix up above. We use non-free images under fair use as an exception to their retained copyright. An image that's in the public domain (which has little to do with public display), could never be used under fair use because the concepts are utterly incompatible. By definition, a claim of fair use is for works that are copyrighted, and thus not in the public domain, or, stated another way, by definition, an image that's in the public domain has no copyright protection, and so fair use–a claim for use despite something's protected copyright status– for something in the public domain, would be a non sequitur. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense. So short of contacting his estate and asking for permission, it will have to sit imageless. In the meantime, I would recommend anyone interested in removing Jack Fallon's incorrect picture to use the feedback link at the bottom of the Knowledge Graph. It may take numerous attempts over weeks but Google will fix it eventually. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Interlinking image file with English Wikipedia

When I interlinking the this image with English Wikipedia article infobox called "image" parameter, the image doesn't appear. The image exists in Ukrainian Wikipedia. What is the problem? The Supermind (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

That image exists in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia only. It would have to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in order for it to be used in other languages' Wikipedias. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: The Supermind —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I have transferred the image to Commons. It can nowe be used here on English Wikipedia. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:22, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Why were my page additions reverted?

Hi, I'm new to editing Wikipedia pages and just added some useful information to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledbury and was then sent the message below. I'm not sure what I did wrong and would appreciate any help and guidance to understand why my additions were reverted. Thank you.

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Hello, I'm SunDawn. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Ledbury—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. SunDawn (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

80.189.53.189 (talk) 16:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP user. SunDawn can probably give you more information behind their reasoning for reverting your edit. That said, I imagine they believed your edit resembled linkspam. Extermal links can be valuable additions to a page, but it must be done with care. For one thing, they should not be placed in the body of the article, which your edit did. They also should not use promotional sounding language such as, "For more local Herefordshire Folklore and History visit...", which your edit did. You also included the link at the end in the external links section, which if that link belongs anywhere on the page, that is where it belongs. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello! This is a diff of the change you made that I reverted. I reverted the change for the reason ONUnicorn (talk · contribs) has mentioned, namely because of this sentence: "For more local Herefordshire Folklore and History visit..." that have promotional prose, which should not be on Wikipedia. Placing the site on the external links section would not be a problem, as the site is neutral and cover the topic pretty well. Thank you!SunDawn (talk) 23:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Problems accessing EnWiki

Hi - an editor I know and trust has contacted me by e-mail to tell me that she is unable to access EnWiki today - not that she can't edit, but she can't connect at all. "The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond." She's checked with friends and family in the same locale with same ISP, they can get access, but despite multiple reboots, trying different servers, even trying her husband's computer, she's not getting access. Other websites all work fine, just EnWiki for some reason. Any thoughts about what to try? (If it matters, she's in Mexico). Thanks in advance for any suggestions, which I will have to forward by e-mail (since she can't see this page!). GirthSummit _(blether) 17:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

If it helps anyone think of a possible solution, she can't get onto any Wikimedia sites, like EsWiki or Commons, they just won't connect. It's been like this since she got up this morning. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

WP:VPT is probably a better place to ask, Girth Summit. --ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine, will do, thanks. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Starting a page

Hi, can you please help me with starting a page for the shanty crew i sing with thanks Mitsubishi03 (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Mitsubishi03, you're going to want to read WP:COI first, then WP:NMUSIC. If your shanty crew is notable, it would probably be better to let someone else write about it. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello im trying to create a wikipedia page

Hihi, im trying to create a wikipedia page about someone here in Iceland, when you search Sunneva Einarsdóttir on google you get photos of the correct person but the information is about a icelandic handball player, I want to make a new page for the person that the photos belong to (Sunneva Eir Einarsdóttir). She is a social media star in Iceland with a following of almost 60.000 people. Let me know what steps i can take to do this please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigtechbenzo (talk • contribs) 18:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Bigtechbenzo first, I commend Help:Your first article to you. When you are ready go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and use the wizard there.

What we are looking for is excellence of referencing. This means quality not quantity Fiddle Faddle 18:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

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There are probably 1,000,000 or more people who have 60,000 followers in social media. Do you have any evidence that she is actually notable in any way? If so, for what? Where is she written about? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Registered Porfessional Accountas of canada

Hi I am trying to edit our page regarding Registered Professional Accountants this designation belongs to us and the information in Wikipedia is very old and misleading what is Our organization RPA, and I get this message once I do an edition

Hello, I'm CommanderWaterford. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to a Registered professional accountant—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_professional_accountant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacrpacanada (talk • contribs) 20:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Spacrpcanada, I have just left a template on your talk page with some information about our conflict of interest guidelines. Please note that Registered professional accountant is not the Society of Professional Accountants of Canada's page (you refer to it above as "our page"); it is Wikipedia's page about Registered professional accountants. Your edit to that page removed basically all the content and replaced it with "for More information go to our website www.rpacanada.org", which is entirely inappropriate. Now, obviously, we do not want the content to be obsolete and misleading. The preferred action for you, as an editor with a conflict of interest regarding that subject, to take is to make an edit request, by typing "{{request edit}}" on the article's talk page, and then specifying what should be changed in a format like, "Change X to Y." You should also cite some reliable sources which are independent of the Society of Professional Accountants to support the changes. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Exclude user from log search results

I'm trying to browse Special:Log/delete, but I would like to exclude log items pertaining to User:Merge_bot. How can this be done? Thompcha (talk) 21:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Trouble publishing/saving sandbox changes

Not sure if this is where I should post this, but I am working on one of my sandbox pages and for some reason, I can't publish/save the work as I get this error " Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 504)". Tried searching online for answers but didn't find anything. When I copied the content of the page to another sandbox, it saved properly, so not sure what's wrong.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you

MK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariemk (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Mariemk: Could be a settings issue with the VisualEditor. The quick answer is to just abandon that sandbox. A more detailed answer could be found at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), a more technical forum. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Image not removed from Continuous track article even though history shows it has.

I've just edited Continuous track to remove an image duplication. However when I look at the article - it's still there, even though diffs clearly shows that it's gone. What's going on here?

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Image in question is [[File:Leclerc p1040882.jpg|thumb|Rear [[sprocket]] of a [[Leclerc tank|Leclerc]] tank.]] removed from the gallery section. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: It looks like you removed it from a hidden list showing which items were moved to the gallery, but not the gallery item itself. I just did it. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Can the background of the page be made darker?

I have cataracts and bright white backgrounds make it extremely difficult to reaf. Can the background be made dark and the type made light? 2600:8802:6902:4A00:1049:6E84:B5ED:606A (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

IP User, there was a recent question on dark mode at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 January 15#Is there a dashboard or forums page that shows suggested changes? TSventon (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I just installed this Chrome extension for dark mode, and it's pretty good so far. There's a video on the page that shows how Wikipedia will look with different settings of the extension enabled. GoingBatty (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Can we modify what text search counts as a hit?

There's a dispute at the "muon gee-minus-two" (Muon g−2) article over whether we should use a minus sign for "minus" or a hyphen, both in the article name and in the text. The argument for the hyphen is that an ASCII text search won't work if the text uses a proper minus sign.

Is there a way to force a search for "g-2" to pick up "g−2"? Either globally on WP or locally in that article through some kind of markup? — kwami (talk) 23:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: Are you thinking about using the find and replace feature that the visual editor has? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I meant for the reader. The one objection to moving the article to its proper name is that it would be inconvenient to the reader, because they'll only be able to search the article visually. I was wondering if we could customize things so that someone searching the article with ctrl-F for instances of "g-2" will find "g−2" as well. If not as a WP-wide behaviour, then perhaps some sort of markup so that the reader sees "g−2" but cntl-F sees it as "g-2". — kwami (talk) 00:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: our convention is to create redirects for common miss-spellings, from the "miss-spelled" name to the "correct" name. That solves the article name problem. It does not solve the ctrl-F problem, but IMO that is not nearly as important. -Arch dude (talk) 01:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. The argument against using the correct formatting of the article name seems to be that it would encourage the correct formatting of the article text, which would be inconvenient. I was looking for a way to make everyone happy. — kwami (talk) 01:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)