Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2007 June 18

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June 18

orphaned image, absent uploader, insufficent information to determine an encyclopedic use User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ginossar.jpg

Image:Ginossar.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jonandjeannie (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, insufficent information to determine an encyclopedic use User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:America's_next_top_model_blue_eyes.jpg

Image:America's_next_top_model_blue_eyes.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Bruffyboy (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Asdgtfy.png

Image:Asdgtfy.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Colin McMenemy (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ronaldoeyes.jpg

Image:Ronaldoeyes.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PyatPree (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Tammycat.JPG

Image:Tammycat.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by GoCanes2612 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Tammythrone.JPG

Image:Tammythrone.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by GoCanes2612 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:2003_0319_091822AA.JPG

Image:2003_0319_091822AA.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Hurtle (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IMG14.JPG

Image:IMG14.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Kennedykumar (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mee284749.jpg

Image:Mee284749.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Gooseman 199 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Chris_Stroud.jpg

Image:Chris_Stroud.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Cstroud (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SharpstownMiddle.jpg

Image:SharpstownMiddle.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by J90NEPNJMM (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, recently absent uploader, unencyclopedic, very low quality User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LamarPlans.jpg

Image:LamarPlans.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by J90NEPNJMM (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, recently absent uploader, unlikely PD-self - stated it was from a student directory User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mar15_01BBC_part_2_13.jpg

Image:Mar15_01BBC_part_2_13.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Barbarajane (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, low quality User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Our_studio.jpg

Image:Our_studio.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Barbarajane (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, insufficent information to determine an encyclopedic use User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Ann_Powers_and_Stephin_Merritt.jpg

Image:Ann_Powers_and_Stephin_Merritt.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jmabel (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic, low quality User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a strong objection to removing this (we have a marginally better image of Merritt elsewhere, and a much better image of Powers, both of which I also shot), but there may be some encyclopedic value, because I'm unaware of another picture available pairing these two. Ann Powers is a notable pop culture critic; Stephin Merritt is a songwriter known for his songs functioning as implicit commentary on other popular music. I believe that the 2006 Pop Conference is the only time they've ever been in each other's presence, so there may be some reason to keep this. Sorry that I didn't have a better photo: this was shot from some absurd distance (about 20 meters) in terrible lighting conditions with a digital camera I had just bought the week before and was still learning to use. - Jmabel | Talk 06:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Hudz2.PNG

Image:Hudz2.PNG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Carlhudz (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Logoutscreencapawff.JPG

Image:Logoutscreencapawff.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mephista (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unlikley GFDL licensed - should be non-free web screenshot User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Slalom4.JPG

Image:Slalom4.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Markkempton (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, watermaked and unlikely PD-self User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dread,_Desires_and_Dreams.pdf

Image:Dread,_Desires_and_Dreams.pdf (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Brontsema (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic, likely not PD-self - should be non-free magazine article User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:ALL_PICS_062.jpg

Image:ALL_PICS_062.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by JL2010 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Westbank_Kirby.jpg

Image:Westbank_Kirby.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Westbank kirby (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mtvaa_006.jpg

Image:Mtvaa_006.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Everythingstaken (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unlikley GFDL - should be non-free promo User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Regine_velasquez.jpg

Image:Regine_velasquez.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Everythingstaken (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, likely cropped from a non-free screenshot User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Hawaiian_bird_resized.jpg

Image:Hawaiian_bird_resized.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Everythingstaken (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, likley non-free User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SaveBPP.jpg

Image:SaveBPP.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Sibadd (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Annik_Stahl_-_the_real_Crabby_Office_Lady.JPG

Image:Annik_Stahl_-_the_real_Crabby_Office_Lady.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Annik Stahl (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Picture_142.jpg

Image:Picture_142.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Windower (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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Image:Teddynorthmont.JPG

Image:Teddynorthmont.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Joebengo (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No longer orphaned. Apparently encyclopedic afterall. Kept. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 16:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:Henna2.jpg

Image:Henna2.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Slc snow (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:2006_last_sunday_flugtag0064.JPG

Image:2006_last_sunday_flugtag0064.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PhilipDSullivan (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Niggabolla_022.jpg

Image:Niggabolla_022.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Alfonzthegreat (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:LuisAlbertoChavez.jpg

Image:LuisAlbertoChavez.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Supermexican12 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mvfc_billboard.jpg

Image:Mvfc_billboard.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jebise2 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Afraidso.jpg

Image:Afraidso.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by W5tkr0712 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Special_ed.jpg

Image:Special_ed.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Tight-k (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, low quality User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kennedy_Ford_010307.JPG

Image:Kennedy_Ford_010307.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by FordRealShow (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Earth_work.jpg

Image:Earth_work.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Russellsterrier (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic due to small size User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Joe_strummer6.jpg

Image:Joe_strummer6.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jcq387 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, appears cropped from some source which may be non-free User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dineshbaboo.jpg

Image:Dineshbaboo.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Dreamedsam (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC02115.JPG

Image:DSC02115.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by GBY (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Moos_Bedroom.jpg

Image:Moos_Bedroom.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Wiffyonpot (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:RealSithLord.jpg

Image:RealSithLord.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Matvej A. Kozhev (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DanMacQueen.jpg

Image:DanMacQueen.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Matvej A. Kozhev (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sudija.jpg

Image:Sudija.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Beli nektar (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 00:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was:

Image:Beatleslastconcert1966.jpg

Image:Beatleslastconcert1966.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Elefcowitz (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, image tagged as PD-self, text included by uploader "This image was taken by photographer Jim Marshall whose photographs appear in Eric Lefcowitz book" The uploader is presumed to be Eric Lefcowitz based on user name. Unsure if this image is tagged correctly. User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would list this on WP:PUI instead. I really hope it's PD. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 14:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have listed it at PUI today - recommend holding off on deletion for now. If PD, move to commons.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:SnidPop_(5).jpg

Image:SnidPop_(5).jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Elesi (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Snidget_(10).jpg

Image:Snidget_(10).jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Elesi (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IversonAnthony.jpg

Image:IversonAnthony.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by TheLmasta (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Hargnar_logo.jpg

Image:Hargnar_logo.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Giovanni Victorette (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flc.jpg

Image:Flc.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Autumn Forrester (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:IntroOnPreferenceHandling.pdf

Image:IntroOnPreferenceHandling.pdf (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Roywwcheng (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic, is either original research or copied from some source and is non-free User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SL700092c.jpg

Image:SL700092c.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jamespatrickbarton (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, lower quality due to watermark in upper corner and slightly fuzzy User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Glowbadger.jpg

Image:Glowbadger.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Atomachona (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Clown_evil.jpg

Image:Clown_evil.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Atomachona (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Di_Paulio.jpg

Image:Di_Paulio.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Badgerattack (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TMPlive2.jpg

Image:TMPlive2.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Tmpurple (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, conflicting licensing tags User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TMPlive1.jpg

Image:TMPlive1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Tmpurple (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic, conflicting licensing tags User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Jdietrich.jpg

Image:Jdietrich.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Diet0144 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DonaldPaulHustad-2003.JPG

Image:DonaldPaulHustad-2003.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by BNSonger47 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Returningtothis2.jpg

Image:Returningtothis2.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mckendo83 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:ModernNerd.jpg

Image:ModernNerd.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Juliuso (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Doom999.jpg

Image:Doom999.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Spenceox (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Bruno_dias.JPG

Image:Bruno_dias.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Eins53740 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sid_Vicious.jpg

Image:Sid_Vicious.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by XK19 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, very unlikley to be PD-self licensed User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Zhao_Id_Adha.jpg

Image:Zhao_Id_Adha.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mutakallim (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dirtychef.jpg

Image:Dirtychef.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jerkmovie (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic, likley non-free film screenshot User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Thisisasig.jpg

Image:Thisisasig.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zjohnlee (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Teamkonvicts.jpg

Image:Teamkonvicts.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zjohnlee (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CDM.PNG

Image:CDM.PNG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by XAvengedSevenfoldX (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Buttplug.jpg

Image:Buttplug.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by AlexQ (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, replaced by Image:Buttplug.png User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:HulmeGrammar.jpg

Image:HulmeGrammar.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Sebdacrab (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:HulmeStudents.jpg

Image:HulmeStudents.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Sebdacrab (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Carrboro_Clams.jpg

Image:Carrboro_Clams.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zackaweed (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:41662_62731.jpg

Image:41662_62731.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Inasense7 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:P9260005.JPG

Image:P9260005.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Aeharding (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:P9260325.JPG

Image:P9260325.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Aeharding (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Zimirk-128.png

Image:Zimirk-128.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zimirk (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Graphical_Meta_Autobiography.png

Image:Graphical_Meta_Autobiography.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zimirk (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:USMC_Team.jpg

Image:USMC_Team.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Title_Image.png

Image:Title_Image.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Syphon_Icon.JPG

Image:Syphon_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Hitman_Icon.JPG

Image:Hitman_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Boozebaron_Icon.JPG

Image:Boozebaron_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Madpeon_Icon.JPG

Image:Madpeon_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Stevo_Icon.JPG

Image:Stevo_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kieranroxors_Icon.JPG

Image:Kieranroxors_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MudcrabDL_Icon.JPG

Image:MudcrabDL_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Zonaga_Icon.JPG

Image:Zonaga_Icon.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Anfronio (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Symphony06.jpg

Image:Symphony06.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Longbranch (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Issagm5.JPG

Image:Issagm5.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Issagm (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Hello_kitty_karen.jpg

Image:Hello_kitty_karen.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Yikyang (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:World_820.PNG

Image:World_820.PNG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Korea history (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, insufficent information to determine an encyclopedic use User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 01:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Infinity.JPG

Image:Infinity.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by AmyNelson (notify | contribs).

Primary reason: non-free image created and uploaded by Wikipedia user, fails WP:IUP#User-created images. Secondary reason: no fair use rationale, fails WP:NFCC #10. — Ilse@ 08:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- See also Image talk:Infinity.JPG. – Ilse @ 00:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:00-A1.jpg

Image:00-A1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Chaoco (notify | contribs).

Only use on userpage of uploader, which is subsequently only edits of uploader. Unencyclopedic. — Entoaggie09 11:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kept. The user seems to still be active now, and wants the image kept. However, it is now tagged {{Non-commercial from license selector}} because the licensing information is contradictory.

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Image:Therealdeal.gif

Image:Therealdeal.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Zapakas (notify | contribs).

Unencyclopedic,Orphan, only uploaded for vandalism — Annekcm 12:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Spiezio - small.png

Image:Spiezio - small.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Lindell005 (notify | contribs).

Orphan. This copyrighted screenshot has been replaced by a free use image Image:ScottSpiezioAtBatJune2006.jpg. — Royalbroil 14:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Delete, and interested parties should please help sort through the dozens of other replaceable fair use images uploaded by User:Lindell005, mostly screencaps of living people. Rhobite 23:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dan_McCarney.jpg

Image:Dan_McCarney.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mecu (notify | contribs).

Unfree image of living person being used to illustrate how the person looks like. The rationale claims that the image is irreplaceable because the subject's "current location or job status" is unknow, but the article doens't says this man is missing (the article even mentions a February 2007 job position). Abu badali ^(talk) 15:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It is not replaceable because it depicts the subject in a critical time of his career (in other words, why he is notable) for which is not re-creatable since he no longer is at that position. Thus, not replaceable. MECU≈talk 16:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  I may be missing something, but I don't see how this image conveys any information about a critical time of man's career in a way that words alone can not. All I see is a man wearing a suit. --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - as I understand it, it is not if that exact image could be recreated, it is if the information conveyed" by the image can be recreated. In this case the image is being used to show what he looks like. The image does not show him at a unique desk, talking at a unique conference or demonstrating a unique process - it is simply a corporate headshot.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 16:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – Any portrait of a living person is considered to be replaceable, image fails WP:FU#Examples of unacceptable use #8. – Ilse @ 16:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, replaceable. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Bobby_Anderson_football.jpg

Image:Bobby_Anderson_football.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mecu (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 15:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep depicts the subject receiving an honorary award from the University and in uniform which is not re-creatable. MECU≈talk 16:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Further, the subject in uniform is used in the article under "retired numbers" for which showing the subject in the jersey is therefore critical and beneficial to the (article) subject. MECU≈talk 16:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Maybe "benefical", but hardly "critical". Do you mean that the reader's understading of the topic would be impaired by the lack of an image of this man wearing this specific uniform? --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Merely decorative in the article it's in. The only information conveyed by the image is (a) just what the text says (fails criterion #8), and (b) what he looks like (fails criterion #1). – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Rashaan_Salaam.jpg

Image:Rashaan_Salaam.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mecu (notify | contribs).

Unfree image of a living person. A free alternative could be created. Abu badali ^(talk) 15:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not possible to recreate, as the subject is much older now (~15 years), and getting authentic uniform and the subject holding the Heisman Trophy is not likely to occur, which depicts the most critical part of this person's notability. MECU≈talk 16:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do we need an image of him holding the "Heisman Trophy" to explain he is notable for being awarded the "Heisman Trophy"? --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For something that is critical to a person's notability for which there is no possible free replacement, this is acceptable. This is a critical event in a person's life and a free photo is just not possible. Sure, we have a free image of a Heisman trophy (not Salaam's) and we could possibly create a free image of him now/then, but getting this image free is not possible (though I guess photoshopping the two together?). I asked the school the license the image (actually many images) freely and they asked for more information and I responded and never heard from them again. Colorado does not want to license their images freely so this image can not be made free and can not be recreated and is critical in the biography of this man. MECU≈talk 16:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete, same as above. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Byron_White_football.jpg

Image:Byron_White_football.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mecu (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image showing an athlete running doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 15:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep depicts the subject in a not reproduce-able event (for age and the subject has since died) for which is critical to the subject the article is used in: That this subject's performance as an athlete put Colorado football on the map, per se. Without this subject having performed, CU football would not likely be what it is today. Further, it shows the subject in the uniform which is now retired by the school and is directly addressed in the article (under "retired numbers"). MECU≈talk 16:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how all these relevant information you mention needs this image to be conveyed. The image use is decorative, in the sense that it's useful, bot not necessary.--Abu badali ^(talk) 21:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete, as above. What info does the image convey that words can't? What he looked like? In an article about the person, I'd accept this is necessary, but in a list section of an article about the team? Not quite. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sessler_with_Texaphyrin.gif

Image:Sessler_with_Texaphyrin.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image showing a scientist holding a model of a molecule, doens't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 15:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SI_cover_November_1998_Ricky_Williams.jpg

Image:SI_cover_November_1998_Ricky_Williams.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary non-notable unfree image of a magazine cover. The magazine issue is barely mentioned in the article, and the cover (unnecessarly) described, but the image doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 15:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:SI_cover_Feb_1999_Kathy_Ireland.jpg

Image:SI_cover_Feb_1999_Kathy_Ireland.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a magazine cover, aparently being used solely to illustrate the person depicted on the cover. The article contains a long-standing unsourced statement claiming that the subject's carrear "took of" after the publication of this cover, but this seems original reasearch (this claim was added when the cover image was first disputed a while back). Abu badali ^(talk) 15:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Bannister_on_SI.jpg

Image:Bannister_on_SI.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).

Non-free image of a magazine cover being used to illustrate the person depicted on the cover, doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 16:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This image is also used at Sports Illustrated Wily D 15:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
..for no particular reason (other than that the magazine issue was mentioned). The image itself doesn't add much. --Abu badali ^(talk) 20:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sports_Illustrated_Cover_Danica_Patrick_Indy_500.jpg

Image:Sports_Illustrated_Cover_Danica_Patrick_Indy_500.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a magazine cover. The magazine issue is mentioned, but the cover image itself isn't notable, and doens't add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 16:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a mighty close call, in my opinion. It's used in the "media work" section, which is appropriate. The cover is mentioned, of course, as is the notable fact that it was the first Indy-500-related cover in 20 years. Then again, as Abu badali says, the fact that she was on the cover is mentioned, but the cover itself is not described (nor should it be). I could really go either way on this one. If it is ever appropriate to use a magazine cover in an article where the fact is important but the cover itself is not, then it's appropriate here. If it's never appropriate, then it isn't here either. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 18:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it was the first Indy-500-related cover in 20 years may be important, but the cover images itself doesn't add any information to that. It doesn't matter what she looked on the cover, which clothes she was wearing, what her face expression was... it would still be first Indy-500-related cover in 20 years. The image itself is not relevant. --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sports_Illustrated_cover_2006-01-09_Texas_Longhorns_Vince_Young.jpg

Image:Sports_Illustrated_cover_2006-01-09_Texas_Longhorns_Vince_Young.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a magazine cover. The magazine issue and it's contents are mentioned but the cover image is simply described. The image doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conmveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 16:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:D_campballs_cover_011106_30.jpg

Image:D_campballs_cover_011106_30.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a magazine cover. The image doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conmveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 16:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Texas_wins_2006_Lone_Star_Showdown_trophy.jpg

Image:Texas_wins_2006_Lone_Star_Showdown_trophy.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johntex (notify | contribs).

Unfree image showing a baseball team holding a trophy is used in 3 articles but in none of them it seems to add any notheworthy information that isn't couldn't be conveyed with free text or images. Also, the image was uploaded in the belief that is was promotional material, but it's source site's terms of service clearly denies that. Abu badali ^(talk) 16:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:1510558392a1522073272b962424597l.jpg

Image:1510558392a1522073272b962424597l.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Gizmo10 (notify | contribs).

(OR, UE) Orphaned, supposed crest of an unencyclopedic club repeatedly deleted from Wikipedia. — Angelo 17:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Borden_and_Bea.jpg

Image:Borden_and_Bea.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Tigerlu (notify | contribs).

Tagged PD-self but rather doubtful that the uploader is the photographer. Uploader's other images of a similar nature were deleted per Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 June 10. howcheng {chat} 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Borden_m.jpg

Image:Borden_m.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Tigerlu (notify | contribs).

"Used with her permission" is not the same as "anyone can use it for any purpose" as the GFDL and CC-BY-SA licensing allows. If she truly allows this, send the pertinent information to OTRS. howcheng {chat} 18:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Disneyland_MKVII_Concept_Art.jpg

Image:Disneyland_MKVII_Concept_Art.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Drnilescrane (notify | contribs).

Copyright violation — 71.124.208.22 18:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Probably usable under fair use as it is not currently replaceable. Once a Mark VII train goes into service at Disneyland then it would be replaceable, but currently it is not. It likely needs to be scaled down to a smaller resolution to comply with Wikipedia guidelines on fair use images, though. -- Hawaiian717 01:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:TL026642.jpg

Image:TL026642.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ldingley (notify | contribs).

Absent uploader (banned), incorrect licensing. howcheng {chat} 18:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:John_Major_outside_Downing_Street.jpg

Image:John_Major_outside_Downing_Street.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by BillyH (notify | contribs).

Non-free TV screenshot that has no associated critical commentary in the article. Violates WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 18:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:G8major.JPG

Image:G8major.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ruddyell (notify | contribs).

Per Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Remaining images from g8russia.ru, derivative works of photos from this source are specifically denied by the licensing terms. howcheng {chat} 18:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
When I uploaded it pictures from that source were all over the commons, now thev've all been deleted I don't see why this should be different. I've replaced it where it was used--Ruddyell 20:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:BrenardShawIraq.png

Image:BrenardShawIraq.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Astuishin (notify | contribs).

This non-free image is merely decorative and doesn't "increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot", fails WP:NFCC #8. – Ilse @ 20:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alright go ahead delete the image. I don't object. - thank you Astuishin (talk) 04:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE PER WP:FUC. The argument to keep is that this image depicts an unrepeatable event, one which must be illustrated. It isn't enough to merely claim that no free image can be made, but also that there's a compelling reason the event must be illustrated.

There is no convincing argument that the event must be illustrated, per WP:FUC #8. If a particular crowning or particular photograph of a crowning were a significant subject of commentary, then, yes, we could have an image. In this case, however, this is the routine end of an annual event. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg

Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA being crowned, apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she was crowned. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy informations that can't be conveyed with free text. Abu badali ^(talk) 20:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, in my opinion, though I know it's a grey area. This subject has been quite controversial for months, and Abu badali has nominated these images for deletion in different venues and for different reasons multiple times. On one side of the continuing debate, Abu maintains that the images do not depict an event significant enough to warrant the use of a non-free image. On the other side, I (and others) feel that the crowning event is non-repeatable and important. I feel that this image and the three below pass all our non-free content criteria because:
1. Obviously the image depicts a non-repeating event. (This isn't in dispute.)
2. This event is of high importance in the model's career. In fact she wouldn't be noteworthy at all if the event did not happen.
3. The image is not being used in the article to depict the model's appearance. (It would be replaceable if it were used for that reason.) Instead, it is used in the section(s) that discuss the crowning event. It is not used at the top of the article or in an infobox.
4. Even if a free image of the model became available, it would be important in the article to depict the crowning event, and this cannot be done with a free image.

Abu has argued in the past that the image is merely decorative, not showing anything that a description of the event would not convey. This isn't an unreasonable argument, but I think the same could be said about nearly any photograph of a historic event. On the whole, I think this image (and the three below) pass our criteria, if just barely. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Qualdel's description of the dispute above. My position in this dispute is that I disagree with point #4. Although a Miss's crowing moment is unique, and of high importance to her career, it's not something that needs an illustration to be understood. That's why this (and similar) images do not significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot.

Just look for (news) websites mentioning a model that was once crowned. Will all of these websites include such an image? Surely not. Is it harder to understand that the model was once crowned when reading from websites that don't include such image? I don't think so. --Abu badali ^(talk) 21:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well said. I was incorrect, by the way, in saying that these images had been nominated for deletion previously. They have not. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - We really need more opinions here. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 21:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The image shows only what is already described in the text, and therefore fails WP:NFCC #8. – Ilse @ 15:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, there is a free alternative for Rachel Smith as Miss USA. – Ilse @ 15:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep only the image can properly convey what the titleholder looked like when she was crowned, including her gown, hairstyle, colours etc, and these images also show some of the outgoing titleholders and the sets, etc. A free image can illustrate what the titleholder looks like, but this serves another purpose. Showing the crowning moment is vital because it captures a historical moment of high importanc to the article which cannot be replaced by a free alternative. PageantUpdater 20:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dispute: As said above, this "historical moment" doesn't need an illustration to be understood. --Abu badali ^(talk) 01:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: These images are being used to fill the gap left by the deletion of unfree images of living people (replaceable images). It wasn't considered specially important to illustrate the "historical crowning moment" before the mass deletion of almost 200 (replaceable unfree) images of Misses. By the time of the mass deletion, only 2 or 3 Misse's articles had images showing a "historical crowning moment". After the mass deletion, the number of "historical crowning moments" images raised considerably. --Abu badali ^(talk) 01:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment you usually fight a good fight but that argument is pretty laughable. You'll notice that most of the unfree images have been added to articles created well after the mass-deletion. Keep in mind that that happened in October 2006. PageantUpdater 04:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I also meant to add that most of them were uploaded from a database of photos that I know longer have access too, that is why I haven't uploaded many for a while. PageantUpdater 04:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My point still holds. Maybe I haven't explained it cleary. Ask yourself: If an image showing the "historical crowning moment" is so critical as you say in your keep vote above, why did you have uploaded just 2 or 3 of them among the more than 200 unfree images you uploaded for illustrating articles about the Misses? You didn't seemed to value the "historical crowning moment" images so much when you believed we were welcome to upload any unfree image to illustrate how a Miss looks like.

Note that I'm not implying that you're acting in bad faith. Maybe you're just blinded by your wish to see these articles illustrated by beautiful images. --Abu badali ^(talk) 05:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We've had this same discussion so many thousands of times that I can't be bothered arguing for the sake of it... you're never going to change your mind as you are so clearly blinded by a desire to rid Wikipedia of non-free images. If I were blinded by a desire for these images, I wouldn't retain them on articles which already have fantastic free ones, such as Lauren Nelson and Rachel Smith. I remind you that me not adding images to articles doesn't mean squat... it simply means that I am a busy person who is getting increasingly irritated at feeling like my editing is being circumscribed having to improve articles out of the priority order I'm working on/my desires at the time simply because other editors are using me not doing things as a reason for deleting work I've already put hours into. PageantUpdater 06:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep I agree with Pageantupdater here. My opinion is that a significant aspect of a beauty pageant can only be conveyed visually. So much of a beauty pageant is about appearance, and much of it is ephemeral and specific to that moment. I also find this image striking because it beautifully portrays Smith's emotions in ways that text cannot. We can see on her face how this event has changed her life. nadav (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"We can see on her face how this event has changed her life" - This nears original research. --Abu badali ^(talk) 23:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not, because the statement was never added to any article. It's simply my personal observation that the image is powerful. To me, it conveys information that words alone do not. I understand that you don't feel that way, but some will disagree. nadav (talk) 03:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC) By the way, you are violating NPOV when you express your opinion that this image should be deleted. ;) nadav (talk) 03:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep I think there are critical moments that we must accept that we have to have an unfree image sometimes in a person's life. My reason for being weak here is because I doubt that a search was done for a free image, or a request for an unfree image to be licensed freely to us was ever done or made. Especially for recent cases such as this image, it's important to try and find a free image before using an unfree one. For older images, it becomes harder to do so, but still must rightfully be done. As I argued unsuccessfully before against Abu badali and others in defense of images I was using to illustrate a critical period/time/player/event in football, there are clearly images that relate directly to the text that the text just can not reproduce. You can not describe a rose ever with enough words, but simply showing a (free, if possible) rose will be better than all the text we could ever write. I would be very willing to change my opinion to keep if some statement or attempt was proven that free images were looked for, but not found. I doubt this is the only image to portray this moment and there are many other images and photographers there, one who may be willing to give us a crumb. MECU≈talk 19:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in my opinion, pictures of beauty pageants being crowned fully comply with all the 10 criterions in WP:NFCC. Notably, they add significance to the beauty pageant's article, and can hardly be replaced with a free alternative picture. --Angelo 20:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete per WP:NFCC#2. Has anyone read the conditions of use for the website from which they were obtained? By including these photos in the articles on these models in Wikipedia, we're competing with the copyright holder's right to market these images, and possibly diminishing their value. However, I'm with Quadell in that this barely passes WP:NFCC#8, but I don't think that overcomes the problems with #2. Videmus Omnia 21:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a good point. Clearly, the Miss Universe organization is trying to keep a very limited distribution on these photos. Though legally fair use may apply, if we show too many of their photos, then we would be limiting their ability to use them commercially. I weakened my keep vote. nadav (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, Image:KatieBlair.jpg was deleted based on these very same concerns. --Abu badali ^(talk) 23:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Clearly, they're not just posting the pictures on a website for people to look at so they can make money from banner ads - they're maintaining them under strict control with passworded accounts, selling the rights to use them, and even then insisting on proper crediting and imposing time limits on use. They clearly take the financial value of their images seriously. Videmus Omnia 01:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I had tended to agree with howcheng's reasoning above, but then I asked myself how many people watch beauty pageants these days, and therefore may only know what a "crowning moment" looks like secondhand, from parodies and so forth. I therefore believe it does contribute information to the articles that is otherwise absent, and so do not agree that it fails NFCC #8. However, I would recommend that the images be uploaded in a resolution no greater than that planned for the layout of the article, so as to not run afoul of NFCC #2. I seriously doubt a 200 or 250 px image could compete with the marketability of those distributed by the pageant organizers. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your rationale justifies the use of just one "crowning moment" image on Beauty pageant, so that readers "know what a "crowning moment" looks like". But do you think it's necessary to illustrate every "crowning moment" from every pageant? Which pageant articles should include "crowning moment" images wand which ones shouldn't? --Abu badali ^(talk) 23:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your calling crowning moments "generic" is ludicrous. Every crowning moment is unique just as every girl is unique. Some lack emotion, some are so emotional that the winner will get on her knees and howl (see Kristi Lauren Glakas). Although all are important, I think the most important are for the national pageants. PageantUpdater 00:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Necessary"? that's not a realistic criterion. Strictly speaking, very few of the images in Wikipedia are "necessary". It's possible to write an encyclopedia using text alone, with the possible exception of mathematical diagrams. If we wanted to eliminate all fair-use media that was not "necessary" we'd just delete all of it.

But PageantUpdater is correct. They do all react differently. If nothing else, it gives some insight into the model's personality. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but can people please refrain from calling them "models". It is a common misconception of people who don't know much about pageants that they are all "models" or should be called "models" but it is simply untrue. I just find it irritating and somewhat demeaning to the girls who have never modelled and may never model... being in a pageant and modelling are not the same thing. And please don't take that personally, Csernica, as a lot of others have been doing it around here and I feel they need a prod in the right direction! PageantUpdater 01:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Models" is demeaning, but "girls" isn't? Oooooooookay..... TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: just as a reminder, criterion #8 says "Non-free media is not used unless it contributes significantly to an article. It needs to significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot." It doesn't say "necessary", but on the other hand it indicates that "useful" isn't enough. Just so we're all on the same page here. Thank you all for your comments, by the way. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 01:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment On a general note, I believe these types of images pass #8. This is a non-repeatable, historic event which probably is one of the most notable aspects of the people in question. I do not believe words alone can convey exactly what is in these images. I have a concerns related to critical commentary. I'm not sure At the conclusion of the final night of competition, outgoing titleholder Jennifer Berry crowned Lauren Nelson as her successor. Is really commentary, but instead relaying a simply fact. I however, cannot think of an example of what critical commentary would in this instance. I'll have to think on it some more.-Andrew c 01:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't remember which image it was, but one had a description of a particular unique crown that the contestant was awarded, and there were no other images of it. The article contained commentary on the crown. Just one example that comes to mind... Videmus Omnia 02:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now. --Knulclunk 02:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that various people have very different opinions, and I appreciate that everyone has, for the most part, remained civil. On one hand, it is clear and indisputable that this image depicts an event that will not repeat and, as such, cannot easily be replaced by a free image. (Note, however, that I dispute that non-free images of unrepeatable events are, by default, irreplaceable; this should be discussed at another time.) I appreciate Abu badali's concern regarding what he considers to be an inappropriate use of non-free content, and also PageantUpdater's concern that it her editing is being increasingly circumscribed by a stricter non-free content policy.
That said, I think it is unfortunate that, traditionally, "fair use" on Wikipedia has been interpreted as allowing non-free content when it is simply "irreplaceable" or "non-repeatable". I think that it is a misrepresentation of fair use. Remember the "four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair".
- "'The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;"
- "the nature of the copyrighted work;"
- "amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and"
- "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work."
Upon reading through a review of recent court cases regarding fair use, it seems clear to me that the effect of the use upon the potential market is the most significant factor in case law.
Judging what is a fair use on Wikipedia and elsewhere is tricky and not clear cut; hence the prelude to our fair use policy, "Non-free content may be used on the English Wikipedia under fair use only where all 10 of the following criteria are met. These criteria are based on the four fair-use factors, the goal of creating a free encyclopedia, and the need to minimize legal exposure." As can be seen by reviewing the cases presented at the Stanford copyright website, copyright holders do regularly sue for copyright infringement; the need to minimize legal exposure is, unfortunately, necessary.
I have traditionally been of the opinion that images distributed as a part of a website with a restrictive terms of use or distributed by a news agencies are, barring exceptional circumstances, not a fair use. It seems clear to me, however, that the corporations who run websites "paint the [narrowest] possible license on [their] website to protect [their] intellectual properties".^{(—Nardman1 (now User:N))} One consequence, however, of Wikipedia's status as a top-ten website is that non-free content distributed on our website does, in my opinion, seriously affect the potential market for a copyright image. Some copyrighted images, by their nature, either do not have a market any longer or will be marketable even with our use of them, but I do not consider this image to be in either one of those "classes" of non-free content. Specifically, it depicts a very recent event that is, arguably, also a very significant event in global popular culture; its market is currently active, and yet not large enough to indicate to me that our use of the image has a neglibile effect. Indeed, I think that our use of the image has a significant effect on the potential market of the image.
My comments aside, I wish that fair use and non-free content were not such contentious issues on Wikipedia. To the closing administrator, please evaluate this as a consensual discussion. What is clear is that it is not clear whether or not an image is a fair use. But please consider the weight of the arguments, not the quantity of "keep"s versus "delete"s.
In fine, as disclosure, I came to this discussion upon recommendation on my talk page by Quadell who was seeking opinions. I admit that I was initially of the opinion that the image was not a fair use. While writing my comments, I vacillated between "fair use" and "not a fair use". Upon consideration and as explained, however, I do not consider this image to be a fair use, and I recommend that it be deleted. --Iamunknown 06:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Can someone try to find out or guesstimate how widely reproduced this class of images has been? What proportion of those who use them paid to do so? Iamunknown sums up the matter very well, and for us to best apply his reasoning, it is crucial that we have as much information as possible on the market for these images. nadav (talk) 06:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply well images also came from places like Reuters, Gettyimages, Associated Press etc and they have all been well distributed on the internet... they appear on a number of websites and forums etc and it seems most people have ignored the copyright issue. Most people who use them won't have paid for the privilege. Some will say "used with permission" or the lke but I get the impression they are simply covering their behinds and haven't approached the owners at all. PageantUpdater 06:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- But we have to credit the actual copyright holder per WP:NFCC#10a. Videmus Omnia 12:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you uploading images from news/photo agencies like "Reuters, Gettyimages, Associated Press etc" and using them to illustrate discussions about the events depicted on these image? Do you understand these agencies license these images for a fee for anyone wanting to use them? (in fact, the make a living out of photo licensing). How is that "fair use"? --Abu badali ^(talk) 16:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Indeed, I remember once talking to you about that. Is it still happening? --Abu badali ^(talk) 16:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:NicoleManskeEveningGownMTUSA98.jpg

Image:NicoleManskeEveningGownMTUSA98.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unfree image of a living person, it's claimed to depict a "non-repeatable, historic event", but doen's shows more that a living person. It doens't add any noteworthy information about the "historic" event. Abu badali ^(talk) 20:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, on closer inspection, this image doesn't show anything that a new, free photo wouldn't show. Delete. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissUSA1997Crowning.jpg

Image:MissUSA1997Crowning.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA, apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she was crowned. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy informations that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 20:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep only the image can properly convey what the titleholder looked like when she was crowned, including her gown, hairstyle, colours etc, and these images also show some of the outgoing titleholders and the sets, etc. A free image can illustrate what the titleholder looks like, but this serves another purpose. Showing the crowning moment is vital because it captures a historical moment of high importanc to the article which cannot be replaced by a free alternative. PageantUpdater 20:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral This picture doesn't convey as much ineffable information as Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg (which I am for keeping). nadav (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissUSA1998Crowning.jpg

Image:MissUSA1998Crowning.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA being crowned, apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she has been once crowned. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy informations that can't be conveyed with free text. Abu badali ^(talk) 20:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep only the image can properly convey what the titleholder looked like when she was crowned, including her gown, hairstyle, colours etc, and these images also show some of the outgoing titleholders and the sets, etc. A free image can illustrate what the titleholder looks like, but this serves another purpose. Showing the crowning moment is vital because it captures a historical moment of high importanc to the article which cannot be replaced by a free alternative. PageantUpdater 20:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for reasons above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg nadav (talk) 22:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissAmerica2007.jpg

Image:MissAmerica2007.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA being crowned, apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she has been once crowned. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that can't be conveyed with free text. Abu badali ^(talk) 21:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep only the image can properly convey what the titleholder looked like when she was crowned, including her gown, hairstyle, colours etc, and these images also show some of the outgoing titleholders and the sets, etc. A free image can illustrate what the titleholder looks like, but this serves another purpose. Showing the crowning moment is vital because it captures a historical moment of high importanc to the article which cannot be replaced by a free alternative.
Weak keep Same as reasons at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned. nadav (talk) 22:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The image depicts a very recent event that is, arguably, also a very significant event in global popular culture; its market is currently active, and yet not large enough to indicate to me that our use of the image has a neglibile effect. I think that our use of the image has a significant effect on the potential market of the image. Hence, I recommend that this image be deleted, for the same reasoning I provided for the deletion of Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg. --Iamunknown 06:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:2005112908090201.jpg

Image:2005112908090201.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Universal Hero (notify | contribs).

This image of four actors standing around does not significantly increase the reader's understanding of the topic, violation WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 21:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A film pooja/puja (is an orthodox/expected way to start an Indian/Asian movie - this is a regular event - like a press conference in a Hollywood movie) is shown here. Universal Hero 22:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming what you say is true, then an image of this type belongs at puja, not here. It still does not add any value to the film article. With your analogy, we don't put copyrighted press conference photos in articles about Hollywood movies either. howcheng {chat} 19:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image is mere decoration and identification without the context of critical commentary. (I'm not sure any such commentary could be made.) So I say, "delete". --Iamunknown 19:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissUSA2000.jpg

Image:MissUSA2000.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA being crowned, apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she has been once crowned. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy informations that can't be conveyed with free text. Abu badali ^(talk) 21:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep only the image can properly convey what the titleholder looked like when she was crowned, including her gown, hairstyle, colours etc, and these images also show some of the outgoing titleholders and the sets, etc. A free image can illustrate what the titleholder looks like, but this serves another purpose. Showing the crowning moment is vital because it captures a historical moment of high importanc to the article which cannot be replaced by a free alternative. PageantUpdater 20:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg nadav (talk) 22:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, we know what it looks like when a beauty contestant is being crowned. There is nothing specific to the particular topic of the 2000 contest that needs illustration over and above the generic info that it was a contest like all others. If there is anything specific about the style of that specific moment that requires comment, then get a source for it and talk about it in the article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to claim that a crowning is generic is ignorance of the highest order. If you can't be bothered getting your facts straight it's better not commenting. Every crowning is unique and the images are important for illustrating this unique, unrepeatable moment in the titleholder's life. These images are important for the state articles as well. PageantUpdater 12:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no doubt that it was a "unique, unrepeatable moment" in the titleholder's life. But it wasn't a unique unrepeatable moment in human history. This is Wikipedia, not the contestant's family album. If there is something encyclopedically noteworthy that sets this moment apart from all of the thousands of other moments of beauty pagant crownings that happen every other day in all parts of the world, then it should be possible to at least name and describe that "something". With sources, if possible. -- This delete vote goes for all the parallel cases above too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Every goal is also unique, but we don't have a picture for each of them. Not even for each goal in a World Cup Final. Unless the goal itself was notable enough to be commented by many independent sources, it's just "yet another unique goal", just like "yet another unique Spice Girl's show" or "yet another pageant crowing moment". --Abu badali ^(talk) 12:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is every goal one of the main reasons for a subject's notability? No, I don't think so. And you're missing the point. A goal is not exactly something that can be captured in a photograph, but what is so important in the crowning photographs are details such as the winners dress, hair, makeup, what she looks like, what her emotions are. This is all extremely important but it cannot be conveyed with words alone. Words cannot accurately illustrate the moment, and the moment will never be re-created. PageantUpdater 13:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Words cannot accurately illustrate the moment - Then words will have to do, since the pictures fail the loosest fair-use criteria. --Calton | Talk 16:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TheTangles.jpg

Image:TheTangles.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Sanit666 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Genn-floating-easel.jpg

Image:Genn-floating-easel.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Genn-ivanhoe.jpg

Image:Genn-ivanhoe.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Robert-genn-bentley.jpg

Image:Robert-genn-bentley.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Robert-genn-hiking.jpg

Image:Robert-genn-hiking.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Reveller.jpg

Image:Reveller.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Genn-ramparts.jpg

Image:Genn-ramparts.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Genn-lotw.jpg

Image:Genn-lotw.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Genn-facing-west.jpg

Image:Genn-facing-west.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rgenn (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:OfficialHamidWikipedia.jpg

Image:OfficialHamidWikipedia.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Hamid.rahnama (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CJB1.JPG

Image:CJB1.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jordan A K (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissUSA2003.jpg

Image:MissUSA2003.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA being crowned, apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she has been once crowned. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy informations that can't be conveyed with free text. Abu badali ^(talk) 21:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep only the image can properly convey what the titleholder looked like when she was crowned, including her gown, hairstyle, colours etc, and these images also show some of the outgoing titleholders and the sets, etc. A free image can illustrate what the titleholder looks like, but this serves another purpose. Showing the crowning moment is vital because it captures a historical moment of high importance to the article which cannot be replaced by a free alternative. PageantUpdater 20:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg
Delete, we know what it looks like when a beauty contestant is being crowned. There is nothing specific to the particular topic of the 2003 contest that needs illustration over and above the generic info that it was a contest like all others. If there is anything specific about the style of that specific moment that requires comment, then get a source for it and talk about it in the article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Posidave1.jpg

Image:Posidave1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by AReallyFakeAccount (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Tbewintertrees.jpg

Image:Tbewintertrees.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Healing x cuts (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:TiffanyFallon.jpg

Image:TiffanyFallon.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image of a Miss USA "competing in a competition", apparently being used solely to illustrate the information that she competed in this competition. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy informations that can't be conveyed with free text. Abu badali ^(talk) 21:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, as above at Image:MissUSA2007Crowned.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dancing3.jpg

Image:Dancing3.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Cfv7766 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CorrokLiberty.jpg

Image:CorrokLiberty.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Thud1719 (notify | contribs).

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Image:CorrokBelieve.jpg

Image:CorrokBelieve.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Thud1719 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:CorrokHaircut.jpg

Image:CorrokHaircut.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Thud1719 (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:MissUSA2006announcement.jpg

Image:MissUSA2006announcement.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by PageantUpdater (notify | contribs).

Unnecessary unfree image showing two beatiful models "embracing" before an announcement taking place. (???). It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that can't be conveyed with text. Abu badali ^(talk) 21:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Shows nothing useful in the article. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 22:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Jtw.jpg

Image:Jtw.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Roadferret (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 21:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Lic_logo_b&w.jpg

Image:Lic_logo_b&w.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Adversegecko (notify | contribs).

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Image:Pony.jpg

Image:Pony.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Pokerfreak4 (notify | contribs).

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Image:Pic_for_google.JPG

Image:Pic_for_google.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Yungbuk (notify | contribs).

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Image:Gavinryan.jpg

Image:Gavinryan.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Johnnybeach (notify | contribs).

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Image:Shortround.jpg

Image:Shortround.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Bryanlam (notify | contribs).

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Image:Marcus-richard.jpg

Image:Marcus-richard.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Daltonmerf (notify | contribs).

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Image:Angle_girl_027.jpg

Image:Angle_girl_027.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Te-Aokatoa (notify | contribs).

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Image:Dark_bahria.jpg

Image:Dark_bahria.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by UzEE (notify | contribs).

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Image:Ashland_2006_069.jpg

Image:Ashland_2006_069.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by THE EVIL PICKLE (notify | contribs).

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Image:Socoex.jpg

Image:Socoex.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Gownley (notify | contribs).

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Image:Gordis2.JPG

Image:Gordis2.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by TheTaxStudent (notify | contribs).

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Image:Whitehouse_logo.jpg

Image:Whitehouse_logo.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by WhitehouseD (notify | contribs).

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Image:Stephan_Simon-guit.jpg

Image:Stephan_Simon-guit.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by WhitehouseD (notify | contribs).

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Image:Jose_Amigo-voc.jpg

Image:Jose_Amigo-voc.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by WhitehouseD (notify | contribs).

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Image:Whitehouse_Live3.jpg

Image:Whitehouse_Live3.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by WhitehouseD (notify | contribs).

orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Whitehouse_Live2.jpg

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orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Whitehouse_Live.jpg

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Image:Carlos_Fidalgo_basses_1.jpg

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orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Raimund_Breitfeld,drums_1.JPG

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Image:Jose_Amigo_-voc_2.jpg

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orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:JaBo1.jpg

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Image:Rogerda.JPG

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orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Zeiss_Tessar.png

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No longer used, replaced by Image:Zeiss Tessar.svg. Sherool (talk) 22:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned image, sole contribution of uploader, unencyclopedic, may be non-free comic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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orphaned image, absent uploader, unencyclopedic User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 22:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have not posted it on the subject william hawi page so I have no objections if it is deleted.

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Image:Waterloo_and_city_line.png

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Not used, replaced by Image:Waterloo & City Line.svg. Sherool (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- File does not exist on en.wiki. Go to Commons. ed g2s • talk 11:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, this one is local, the one on Commons is Image:Waterloo & City Line.png. --Sherool (talk) 11:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was:

Continuum (album) covers

The article Continuum (album) contains seven alternate non-free album covers and single covers for the album. I think this violates criterion #3 of Wikipedia:Non-free content. In my opinion, only one is needed to illustrate the article. The images are:

– Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of the Waiting on the World to Change images should be deleted as they're both in use on the song's page, likewise the cover of Gravity should be kept for the same reason. Otherwise, the album covers you mention provide an example as described within the album text. To remove these would nullify the text and remove encyclopedic context. I'm for taking the single covers out of the album article, but otherwise keeping the images would be advisable, otherwise we're not providing an apt encyclopedic resource. --linca ^linca 00:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Explantions for various votes:
- Continuum album covers:
- Image:Continuum-White.jpg - Weak keep - not an album cover, but I've seen the cover of CD booklets used widely, even in FAs.(see below)
- Image:Continuum.png - Strong keep, this is no way violates Wikipedia policy. It's on the page discussing the album. If not appropriate there, then where?
- Image:Continuum-special.jpg - Strong keep - again in an article analyzing the album in question. It even talks about the artwork of the covers.
- Image:Continuum-uk.jpg once again Strong keep - again in an article analyzing the album in question. It even talks about the artwork of the covers.
- The singles:
- Image:Jm wotwtc.jpg - Strong keep - in all three articles in which it appears, it is directly being discussed in the article.
- Image:GravityMayer.jpg Strong keep - - in all three articles in which it appears, it is directly being discussed in the article.
- Image:Waiting on the World to Change Limited Edition EP.jpg - Strong keep - in both articles in which in the image is used, it is being directly discussed in the article.
- This mass delete is not very well thought out for a few reasons (a) Many of these images are used in multiple articles. Even if the nominator questioned their use in this article (which I absolutely don't) deletion would be the wrong course of action for most of them, as they are well-used in other articles, and the John Mayer article is an FA candidate that seems to be going towards approval; (b) The article in question specifically goes into detail about the history and descriptions of the covers, in which countries they were used, and also Mayer's involvement in the cover design, so the fair use argument is strong; (c) there is precedent of a billion articles containing multiple album covers. I would dare say it is preferable or even requisite for featured articles (Examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] ); (d) The policy cited is usually used to argue against scenarios like ten screencaps from one movie, or eight music samples from the same album. In this case, the covers illustrate the varying covers that often aren't even available to different users. If we only use one cover, which should we use? The one used in the United States? How would that invoke recognition to European readers? What if we use the one in the UK? Over a million buyers in North America would have no recognition of the album. Or in the case of other articles of a similar nature, should we use the releases in Japan, or Swaziland or Mexico? The desire to only focus on the one US release is a perfect example of some Wikipedians failure to have a world view (also a problem addressed as systemic bias).--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all but remove single/EP covers from Continuum (album), as they don't belong there. howcheng {chat} 17:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images were kept. Excessive fair use images were removed from Continuum article. -Nv8200p talk 22:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Image:South_park_Chris.PNG

Image:South_park_Chris.PNG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Chrose (notify | contribs).

Orphaned, unencyclopedic, non-free derivative work Iamunknown 23:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Stillybin.gif

Image:Stillybin.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by User:Stillblade.

Uncyclopedic. Not relevant. — Captain panda 00:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Speedy delete - obvious fake. Addhoc 00:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this, one in a long line of uselessness from User:Stillblade. DMacks