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Mr. Burns Speech

Has Mr. Burns ever given a full speech in a Simpson's episode? If so, which one? -- kainaw™ 00:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by "full speech"? Mr. Burns has many scenes in the Simpsons where he talks a lot in many many episodes, too many to name. There are also many Mr. Burns centric episodes where he speaks a lot. You have to be more specific if you expect a specific answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.203.132 (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I mean a speech, as in standing in front of a large group of people and speaking from a prepared set of notes. I was wondering if he's given a full speech in any episode - not one in which he begins and it cuts to some other topic before he finishes, or one where it cuts in just as he finishes his speech. I have been trying to remember one. The two that came to mind are his campaign with the 3-eyed fish, but he didn't give a speech. He had a commercial where others mostly spoke. Then, I remembered him giving a speech about the rod winning employee of the month, but there was no speech - just the award. -- kainaw™ 00:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Two I can think of are when he announced the plant was being moved to India, and when he said the plant was being shut down for safety reasons, to bring it up to code. There might have been one when he sold the plant, too. However, a full length speech would be longer than an entire episode, so obviously they keep them short. StuRat (talk) 00:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Just checked the moving to India episode. He doesn't give a speech. He introduces a short film that explains how outsourcing is great for Americans. Looking for the plant being shutdown episode. I do know that a speech would be short, but other characters have given speeches that would take at least 3 notecards. -- kainaw™ 00:41, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

In "The Old Man and the Lisa," Burns delivers what's supposed to be an inspirational speech to the Springfield Elementary "Junior Achievers Club" in which he tells the kids to ditch their family, friends, and religion. Keep in mind that it's a 22-minute sitcom and not Atlas Shrugged so no speech is more than a few lines. —D. Monack ^talk 09:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

He has a speech in Mountain of Madness, although it doesn't seem to be from prepared notes. Adam Bishop (talk) 14:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

neopets

My little brother and I just joined neopets and we were wondering; is there any way to get your neohome to a mode in which your neopet can move around in it? Because at the moment, all we seem to be able to do is edit the furniture and other items. Library Seraph (talk) 00:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

They don't have that functionality yet. All you can do is place furniture and stuff. They may be planning to add that some time in the future.--Atlantima (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Weird, I though that that would be a very basic function. Thank you for your answer and not just telling me to go to the neoboards. Library Seraph (talk) 00:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

olympics athletes uniform

is there a website where I can view the uniforms of each nation that participated in the 2008 Summer Olympics and 2010 Winter Olympics, like Great Britain and India and Pakistan for athletics section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.52.220 (talk) 01:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Try the Olympic.org website: http://www.olympic.org/en/content/National-Olympic-Committees/

You're likely to see photos and videos of each NOC, which may include uniform shots. --Kvasir (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Mirror Universe

Why was there no mirror-universe episode in Star Trek the Next Generation? There was one in all the other series (except voyager which had an "evil voyager" episode from the doctors memories). Was there a conscious decision made by the producers that they didn't want to do a mirror-universe episode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpinningSwing (talk • contribs) 09:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, there was the episode where Enterprises from parallel universes (each with a slightly different history) all began to appear in the same region of space. To me, this is the same concept expanded to include many "mirror universes". StuRat (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

That episode is titled "Parallels". Dismas|^(talk) 10:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

There's also another, "Yesterday's Enterprise", where Guinan is the only one that recognizes that events and people are not as they should be. The Enterprise is a battleship and the Federation is on the losing side of a war against the Klingons. Dismas|^(talk) 10:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

And then there's the episode where we see another Picard, out of phase with the current universe. StuRat (talk) 10:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you're referring to "Time Squared". Dismas|^(talk) 11:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The mirror universe that was used in TOS is first reintroduced as such in DS9 - the story goes that the mirror side was influenced heavily by the half hour visit this side's Kirk payed it two hundred years ago, so they took precautions to prevent further passing over, if I remember correctly. Hence, Picard never got a chance to see the mirror universe - it was sealed from the other side until DS9 personel figured out how to cross over. Personally, I'd just say that DS9 writers were slowly running out of ideas, so they figured they might as well dust off the old mirror universe idea. :) TomorrowTime (talk) 12:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a TNG book about the mirror universe, Dark Mirror. Adam Bishop (talk) 13:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Eduard Khil (trolololo)

Does anyone know of any CDs or "proper" (non-YouTube) audio/video releases of this song – needn't be this particular singer, just in general. Thanks! ╟─TreasuryTag►Woolsack─╢ 13:11, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hm, that looks like a pretty ad-lib (to an extent, of course) performance to me. Unless someone can come up with an actual name for the song the vocalise is based on I'd say you'll be pretty hard pressed to come up with an audio carrier for that particular song. TomorrowTime (talk) 23:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

If you read the paragraph I linked to it gives the name, quite clearly, in English and Russian. ╟─TreasuryTag►draftsman─╢ 06:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Home video

When did most homes start to have video recorders? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shellbie (talk • contribs) 14:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you cite any statistics that even now, "most homes" have video recorders? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Beyond specific numbers, though, the explosion would have occurred when both recorders and pre-recorded videos became affordable, which was somewhere around the mid-1980s. I would say likewise with DVD players, roughly 10 years ago. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The first video recorder I ever saw was in 1975 (in the UK) - our school bought one and it was enormous (perhaps a Philips?). I certainly knew several people with home video recorders by 1980 at the height of the Videotape format war ie VHS or Betamax. VHS was cheaper but Betamax was said to be better quality. There is a long discussion here[1]. Alansplodge (talk) 17:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Geez, you guys, this is a reference desk; let's help out the original poster with a relevant reference. This chart says that in the US, it occurred some time between 1985 and 1990. (VCR ownership was apparently about 14% in the US in 1985, and then 66% in 1990.) This chart is more precise and shows that it went from 40% in 1987 to 52% in 1988. This link about Australia shows that VCR ownership exceeded 50% of households in 1987. Comet Tuttle (talk) 19:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly more helpful than questioning the assumption that most homes have video recorders. I also find myself wondering how many people, like me, got them but rarely used them, due to tracking problems, etc. StuRat (talk) 19:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

1969 Cubs, National League East, West Coast games, and TV

The article on the 1969 Chicago Cubs season states that the reason the team went into the N.L. East was to be with their rivals, the Cardinals, and that the Mets had wanted the Cardinals in the East with them since they were reigning league power. However, I've read a couple posts on baseball-fever.com where it corroborates something I'd heard elsewhere - that the Cubs led this parade of them and the Cardinals into the East, and Atlanta and Cincinnati in the West. And, that it was becasue they didn't want 27 games on the West Coast, where it could cut into TV revenue and hurt the newspapers. Also, that the N.L. owners may hve wanted to punish the Braves' owner for moving his team.

Of course, both the Cubs' desires and the Mets' could be right, but I wanted to know if anyone could find a source for what I'd heard before it was added, as right now it's just original research. I wouldn't delete the other, but I would think that - if sourced - what I'd read would deserve to be added. Or, have I heard wrong about this?Somebody or his brother (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The 1969 Sporting News Official Baseball Guide has a lengthy discussion of this topic, including the fact that (1) the NL did not want to expand and (2) the NL did not want divisions. There were also disagreements between the leagues about how to set up the schedules. After lengthy wrangling, the divisional setup and the schedule arrangement were unified, and the NL divisions were unanimously approved by the NL on July 10, 1968. One interesting debate earlier was that the White Sox were not very happy about being stuck in the AL West. Nothing was specifically stated about how the NL arrived at its decision, other than the comment by NL President Warren Giles that the divisions "are not strictly geographical". In terms of strict geography, in fact, the NL arrangement was more like north and south. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks; interesting. I knew the N.L. hadn't wanted it till 1971, if then. I suppose I could be thinking of 1993, also, when they spoke of realigning, and went to 3 divisions instead.Somebody or his brother (talk) 13:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

An episode of Star Trek

Further up the page is some discussion on star trek episodes and this reminded me of an episode I saw when I was younger, and remember it scaring the crap out of me. I think it was TNG, and it involved the ship traveling through a portion of space where people would stop contacting with the floor and walls or something, I remember it being described as bubbles. The image that bothered me so much was a person partially embedded in the floor, as if the floor had stopped existing and she had fallen through it, and it reappearing as she passed through, severing her or something. Anyone know what episode this was? Gunrun (talk) 15:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

In Theory see [2] Nanonic (talk) 15:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

A freaky idea that was also used in The Philadelphia Experiment, as I recall. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what particular The Philadelphia Experiment are you talking about? Weren't there a couple of movies filmed about it? And besides, the phobia of re-materializing halfway through a wall or floor (and, needless to say, dying in excruciating pain as a result) is a pretty common element in SF dealing with any kind of matter-to-energy transport... TomorrowTime (talk) 23:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

BTW, Gunrun, if you want a thoroughly unpleasant mental image, consider what the floor under that particular redshirt must have looked like. That's the part that really got to me when I first saw that episode when I was a kid... TomorrowTime (talk) 23:34, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Holy crap THANK YOU! I'm not OP but I've also been trying to find what episode this was for ages. Somehow I must have skipped it when watching all the TNG episode. OMG this is awesome I'm going to watch TNG episode for the first time ever I'm so excited! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fire2010 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

In case you missed any others, our list of Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes may further blow your mind. :) Coreycubed (talk) 20:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing a gospel song: Is Ain't No Grave (song) traditional? Or originally a Church of God in Christ song? Did Claude Ely compose it?

I'm looking into the origins of a song: Ain't No Grave (also known as There Ain't No Grave Gonna Hold My Body Down, Ain't No Grave Hold My Body Down, etc). From a Washington Post mention, I wonder if it might might have originated as a Church of God in Christ song, but I don't have resources to confirm that.

On Wikipedia and AllMusic, I've found the song mentioned both as traditional/public domain and with a composer. I don't see any usable references in any case.

Listed as Traditional:

• Odetta at Carnegie Hall
• Shaken by a Low Sound

Listed as composed by Claude Ely:

• studio album by Johnny Cash credits "Ain't No Grave (Gonna Hold This Body Down)" to Claude Ely, saying "Originally recorded by Ely in 1953".
• The Apostle#Soundtrack also credits Claude Ely. The reference given is to www.brotherclaudeely.com, a website which doesn't resolve and which I couldn't find in archive.org.

The Washington Post mentioned the song in the February 18, 2004 article "Gospel Music's New Apostle; With 'Goodbye, Babylon,' Lance Ledbetter Has Resurrected a Long-Ignored Era of Sacred Song", (preview only)(via citation in Claude Ely). I don't have an authorized copy, but it appears to say: "Even the wildest rockabilly rarely reached the unhinged delirium of "There Ain't No Grave Gonna Hold My Body Down," Ely's take on a favorite song of the Church of God in Christ. A Holiness pastor from Kentucky, Ely was a faith healer and a terrific guitarist, judging from the ferocious rockabilly rhythms on "Grave," a country hit in 1953." A recording (date unknown) of a Claude Ely version can be previewed at Amazon.

I found 3 relevant song listings on AllMusic; these have various credits, including public domain, traditional, and particular composers:

• Ain't No Grave
• Ain't No Grave (Kris Delmhorst) (possibly a metadata error)
• Ain't No Grave hold my body down

However, 1963 is the oldest reference, so AllMusic doesn't even list the 1953 version by Claude Ely. They do have a list of songs composed by Claude Ely

Any help on the origins would be great. Here are some ideas of things that would help:

• a Church of God in Christ song with lyrics similar to "There Ain't No Grave Gonna Hold My Body Down"
• a reference to Ely's 1953 recording and/or anyone's recording prior to 1953
• a guess as to why "traditional" would be the credit for this song if it did originate with Claude Ely

Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 15:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Finally somebody has dug this up: NPR story via Ain't No Grave! :) Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 03:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Differences between Marvel and DC

Could someone with experience reading both Marvel and DC comics explain what differences (if any) there are between the two "universes"? I'm an avid DC comics fan, but I've never read anything from Marvel, so my Marvel knowledge is pretty well limited to the recent Marvel films, rants by Marvel fans about what's wrong with said films, and a few pieces of other information I've picked up here and there. I know the DCU doesn't have mutants, unlike the Marvel universe (is there a name for it, by the way? The Marvel-verse or something?), but that's about it. Does Marvel have a multiverse like DC? Are certain kinds of powers or storylines more common in one than the other? How similar are the superheroes themselves, or the superhero teams? How often does Marvel have big crossover events (like Infinite Crisis, Blackest Night, etc.)? Is there a Marvel version of Elseworlds? Anything else you've noticed or have to offer (or even just general information on Marvel, even if you don't know much about DC) would be great--I'm happy to take any and all information on this. I might start reading Marvel comics at some point and I've got no particular problem with either company, so there's no need to try to tell me that one is better (or worse) than the other, by the way. Just general information about the differences (or similarities) would be great. Thanks! 24.247.163.175 (talk) 20:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

See Marvel Universe. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

That's useful for the basic differences, I suppose, but... I guess what I'm looking for is more differences in their approach to making comics, or something like that. 24.247.163.175 (talk) 02:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Some years ago, Marvel left the "standard" approach to superheroes and developed a new one with the "Ultimate" comics. Science, politics, military, press and social perception and other such topics evolved from being mere "background" topics to decorate super-battles into being decisive plot elements. Yes, there were some attempts before, but no one at such levels (at least, not at Marvel or DC). And when things were really interesting... they made them even better. The "Ultimate" universe stater to take the best from the common Marvel Universe, and this one the best of the "Ultimate" one. And you know, everyone dares to do anything at an "elseworld" or "Earth 2", but when changes change the main universe, this is something really big.

Let's say it this way: Marvel made a big crossover that completely redefined from that point the purpose and modus operandi of superheroes, while DC was making a crossover, with "countdowns" and countless related collections, just to show a Superboy from another universe being pissed off like an immature 5 years old child. MBelgrano (talk) 03:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Marvel and DC's approaches are not very dissimilar. While DC had a huge history they felt they needed to rectify with various "crises", Marvel has tended more towards maintaining a single "multiverse" within the central brand and only promoting the "other multiverses" under distinct brands, such as the New Universe, Supremeverse, and (as mentioned) the Ultimates. Their one real reboot attempt ("Onslaught") was a horrible mess and quickly discarded. As with DC, Marvel also has a number of titles that, while not specifically identified as being "separate", operate that way on a practical level (i.e. don't partake in the company cross-overs, etc.).

In years past, Marvel did an annual company cross-over. Sometimes these only dealt with, say, the mutants (Inferno, Fall of the Mutants, etc.) or included just about everyone (Evolutionary War, Atlantis Attacks). The ones that tried to include everyone were especially badly written and very "forced". The more recent chain of mega-crossovers has been (IMO) more organic or at least more seamless - House of M, Planet Hulk, Civil War, and now Siege. This has (on the good side) given the comics a very dense, multi-perspective kind of storyline; it's very cohesive and hangs together tolerably well given the subject matter and the number of creative staff involved. On the other hand, it's also made the central storyline very intimidating for a new reader. Due to this, most Marvel comics now come with a brief synopsis in the front and also a checklist in the back so the reader can gauge where the current arc is being played out and what order they need to read in. It's also fostered the creation of the various other brands, as fans who prefer less... voluminous amounts of reading can either get smaller arcs (as in the Ultimates) or go for the titles that specifically don't mess with the huge mass/mess the central MU has become. 64.235.97.146 (talk) 14:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

One of the biggest differences I can remember is that Marvel was written in "real world places", for example Spider Man is set in New York City, while DC tends to invent places like Gotham and Metropolis, which are "kinda like New York" but are also their own fictional cities. --Jayron32 04:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

JLA/Avengers is a very good read for this sort of thing, as the characters themselves discuss specific differences in tone between their two universes. They also address the city issue - someone notices that the Marvel universe Earth is a little smaller than the DC one, and that several major cities are missing. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 13:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sons of Anarchy trailer music - UK

What is the song used on the trailers for Sons of Anarchy on Channel 5 in the UK please? DuncanHill (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Could you link us to a video or something, with the music in it? Vimescarrot (talk) 22:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

For example, if this is the trailer, the answer lies in the comments section - Citizen Cope's Son's Gonna Rise, which does not have its own article. Vimescarrot (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I can't get that video to play. The song I'm looking for sounds late 60's/early 70's, American, guitar driven. Male vocalist, rock voice, sounds like maybe an anti-war protest. Lyrics include "...your red white and blue". DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard of Sons of Anarchy, but could it be Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son" (sample available here)? Deor (talk) 00:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I think that's it, but the sample you linked to is only available in the USA. DuncanHill (talk) 00:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

There are copyright-violating videos of it on YouTube; I just didn't want to link to one. Deor (talk) 00:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, that's it, thank you Deor :) DuncanHill (talk) 00:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

how do I hook up to xbox live

I know this question has been asked like a million times already, but I've looked all over the internet. I've read a bunch of articles on websites and I just don't know which one is right for me. I'm about to move into my new house in like two months and finally get high speed internet and xbox live and I need to know how to connect to xbox live. I'm gonna get at&t fast access DSL 1.5 Mbps cause that is basically the only company that can reach my area and that is the fastest speed that they have that can reach my area. My bedroom will be on one side of the house and the desktop computer will be on the other side of the house and I can finally get xbox live, but I need someone to tell me step-by-step how do I hook up with xbox live. I've read a bunch of stuff online about ethernet cables, routers, modems, adapters and a lot of other stuff so can someone please tell me how to do it. I also want to be online and on xbox live at the same time. I thought about running a really long ethernet cable from the computer to a router and then to my xbox 360, would that work or should I try something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.15.130 (talk) 22:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The AT&T tech will hook up and configure a DSL modem. On the other side of the DSL modem there is a wired Ethernet port. (Some DSL modems also include a wireless router but I'll assume it's not that kind.) You will buy a router. It will probably be an "802.11g" or "802.11n" wireless router. This link is an example wireless router. Any wireless router has a wireless capability, plus it has probably 4 Ethernet ports you can plug cables into. You will use an Ethernet cable, probably a "Cat 5e" cable, from the router to the DSL modem. Now, if it is convenient for you, you will run an Ethernet cable from your PC to the router, and you will also run an Ethernet cable from your Xbox to the router. That would be all you need, unless tripping over either cable is inconvenient. If so, then you can choose to set up either your PC or your Xbox with a wireless adapter instead of running a cable over. For the Xbox, the official product is this Microsoft adapter, which costs US$100. For the PC, you can either run a cable to the router, or install a wireless network adapter that is in the form of a PCI card like this one, or in the form of a USB device like this one. Note that you should probably purchase the router and the PC's wireless networking adapter from the same vendor, particularly so their tech support guys won't give you the stiffarm each time there is a problem. After your PC is hooked up to the wireless router, be sure to enable wireless encryption so that bad guys wardriving by your house can't see everything you do on the Internet. Then configure your xbox for the wireless encryption you configured from the PC. Other details: I would call AT&T and see if their DSL modem is also a wireless router. If so then you don't have to buy the wireless router. A Cat 5e cable is recommended; a Cat 6 cable is way more than sufficient, and a Cat 5 cable will work. If you really don't care about tripping over the Ethernet wires, you can save US$20 by buying a wired router instead of a wireless router. Comet Tuttle (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

That idea you had, the one where I run an ethernet cable from the computer to the router and then to my xbox 360 sounds pretty good. Are you sure all I need is just that and where would you suggest I put the router, close to the computer or to my xbox 360 cause I heard it makes a difference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.15.130 (talk) 01:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

It shouldn't make much of a difference the distance between everything, especially over cable. However this way you will need to keep your PC turned on while you run your Xbox. Gunrun (talk) 14:32, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

(ec) Unless you're running the cable for hundreds of feet through walls and such, the distance between the Xbox and the router doesn't really matter. It would impact things if you decide to go wireless later on, depending on how your home is designed and built. It's more of a convenience issue - you'll want to be able to get to it if you need to plug something in or cycle the power to reset the router. Mine sat on my desk between monitor and tower, simply because I had a short Cat5 cable. For ATT DSL, you'll also want to make sure you have a phone jack near wherever you plan to put the router - and that might make your decision for you. Their Uverse is the same way, except that the router (and receivers) are already wireless. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:35, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Ultraexactzz is correct; the cable length and router placement won't matter, unless your living space is a couple of football fields long. Usually the router is placed right next to the DSL modem, but you could put the router anywhere you want in the house if you're OK with having a long cable stretching from the router to the DSL modem. I don't think Gunrun understood the configuration I am describing. There is an Ethernet cable connecting the PC to the router, and there is a second Ethernet cable connecting the Xbox to the router. The PC doesn't need to be on for the Xbox to remain connected to the Internet. The router, you'll leave on all the time. Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Why does the router have to be close to a phone jack

Technically, the modem (not the router) needs to be near the phone jack, because if you're getting your Internet connection through DSL, it comes in through a phone line. (In contrast to DSL, cable providers like Comcast and Time Warner supply your connection through cables like the kind you hook up to a television.) The router is just kept near the modem for convenience's sake in most cases, though it's not a requirement as long as you have some way of connecting the two. Coreycubed (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I have all I need, thanks to all who helped —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.15.1 (talk) 23:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

European television 1990 sitcom " The Birdcage" like actors

In 1990 I was in Ischl, Austria and I saw a tv sitcom that featured a nightclub owner and his transexual mate who was the torchsong entertainer for the club. I am interested in knowing more about the show and the actors. This may have been from Spain and dubbed into German for the network.Budrowe (talk) 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Any chance that it was the original movie, La Cage aux Folles or one of its two sequels? DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:21, 9 March 2010 (UTC)