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This nomination predates the introduction in April 2014 of article-specific subpages for nominations and has been created from the edit history of Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests.

This is the archived discussion of the TFAR nomination for the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page.

The result was: scheduled for Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 27, 2013 by BencherliteTalk 11:31, 18 September 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

Whaam!, Roy Lichtenstein's most famous painting
Whaam! is a 1963 diptych painting by American artist Roy Lichtenstein. One of the best-known works of pop art, it is among Lichtenstein's most important paintings. Whaam! was first exhibited at the Leo Castelli Gallery in New York City in 1963, and purchased by the Tate Gallery, London, in 1966. It has been on permanent display at Tate Modern since 2006. The left-hand panel of Whaam! shows a fighter plane shooting a missile. The right-hand panel depicts the missile hitting its target, a second plane, which explodes into flames. Lichtenstein based the image on elements taken from several comic-book panels. He transformed his primary prototype, a panel from a 1962 war comic book, by dividing the composition into two panels and altering the relationship of the graphical and narrative elements. Whaam! is regarded for the temporal, spatial and psychological integration of its two panels, which Lichtenstein conceived as a contrasting pair. The painting's title is displayed in the large onomatopoeia in the right panel. Lichtenstein studied as an artist before and after serving in the United States Army during World War II. He practiced anti-aircraft drills during basic training; the program was later canceled as he was training to be a pilot. He depicted aerial combat in several works. (Full article...)
Various comments / conversations of decreasing relevance to the purpose of this page. And I'm not saying that all the comments outside this box are relevant... BencherliteTalk 13:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I reminded Tony of his comment which seems to have been ignored. I don't want to turn this into a bitch fest, but I felt it proper to respond to the "Would someone teach these McNeile people..." comment (seeing as I am one apparently). -- CassiantoTalk 21:02, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think the nominator feels there to be "factions" of editors. He is referring to comics people and visual arts people.
"The prior discussion was contentious because WP:COMICS discussants (Curly Turkey and Hiding) wanted more detailed explanation of topics that WP:WPVA discussants (Bus stop and Modernist) felt were out of scope for this article. More specifically, COMICS folks have lots of negative commentary against Lichtenstein and this work is considered the prime example of their general arguments."[1]
"Very good to have a strong opinion about the content from a non-WP:WPVA and non-WP:COMICS person."[2]
"Please don't disrupt the delicate balance of the article. Unless you can get both one COMICS guy and one WPVA guy to agree with your change or two of the neutral guys, just leave things alone."[3]
This is a method of analysis that may have relevance, but is it productive? The sole determinant of what gets into an article should be what is good for the article. That has to be the bottom line. We are using Talk pages (or FAC pages) to improve the article. "This page in a nutshell: Talk pages are for improving the encyclopedia, not for expressing personal opinions on a subject or an editor." (WP:TPG) Bus stop (talk) 21:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Cassianto and Bus stop, Is McNeile people derogatory? defamotory? insulting? Is WP:COMICS discussant derogatory? defamotory? insulting? I'll hold my tongue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not, but rude yes. -- CassiantoTalk 22:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
TonyTheTiger—the distinction between comics people and visual arts people is largely irrelevant. It is not productive. We should put blinders on and look at the merits of that which is being proposed for inclusion. Bus stop (talk) 22:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of the two FACs there were several neutral parties who were unaware that the contentious attitudes during the discussions were largely driven by the fact that WP:COMICS and WP:WPVA have two very different views on Roy Lichtenstein. Trying to keep things moving, it was best to let them know what was going.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
TonyTheTiger—you mention the "two very different views on Roy Lichtenstein". Is this very different from the "two very different views" on anything else on Wikipedia with which editors must contend? We have policy language basically telling us to provide representation for both views. Bus stop (talk) 13:45, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: After nearly 700k of contentiously stirring the manure over the course of two FACs for Whaam!, Bus Stop is now not only displaying the same exasperating, exhausting filibuster tactics to sabotage the discussion here, but has upped the ante by accusing the multiple editors who came to a consensus on the article of WP:OWNERSHIP. I'm very tempted to drag Bus Stop to ANI—can anybody give me a reason not to? Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Query After having slept on my thoughts, I am now curious about whether it is rational that a person who has expressed an interest in helping select the best content for the main page to be upset at receiving a notification that a significantly higher point article than one that they have supported is available for consideration. Wouldn't the normal editor say, hey I may or may not change my mind, but thanks for letting me know about the significant change in circumstances?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]