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Q1: Why is [Insert event here], an event that is "more important and significant" than all the others that are currently listed, not posted?: A1: Relative article quality along with the mix of topics already listed are often deciding factors in what gets posted. Any given day of the year can have a great many important or significant historical events. The problem is that there is generally only room on the Main Page to list about 5 events at a time, so not everything can be posted.

As stated on Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page, the items and events posted on the Main Page are chosen based more on how well they are written, not based on how much important or significant their subjects are. It is easier for admins to select a well-written, cited, verifiable article over a poor one versus trying to determine objectively how much a subject is important or significant.

Keep in mind that the quality requirements only apply to the selected bolded article, not the other links. Thus, an event may qualify for multiple dates in a year if there is an article written in a summary style and an article providing detailed content; if one of those pages have cleanup issues, the other page can be bolded as an alternate.

Another criterion is to maintain some variety of topics, and not exhibit, just for example, tech-centrism, or the belief that the world stops at the edge of the English-speaking world. Many days have a large pool of potential articles, so they will rotate in and out every year to give each one some Main Page exposure. In addition, an event is not posted if it is also the subject of this year's scheduled featured article or featured picture.

Q2: There are way too many 20th-century events listed. Why aren't there more events from the 19th century and before?

A2: The short, basic reason is the systemic bias of Wikipedia. There are not enough good, well-written articles on 19th-century and earlier events for all 365 days in the year. Currently, a majority of users seem to be generally more interested in writing articles about recent events. If you would like to further help mitigate the systemic bias in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias.

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A3: This again is attributed to the systemic bias of Wikipedia. Many users are generally more interested in working on good, well-written articles pertaining to their home country. Since this is the English Wikipedia, there will be more English-speaking users, and thus more articles pertaining to English-speaking countries. And if there are more users who are from the United States, there will probably be more well-written articles about events based in the United States. Again, if you would like to further help mitigate the systemic bias in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias.

Q4: Why is the birthday/death anniversary of [Insert name here] not listed?

A4: There are only four slots available for birth and death anniversaries. As with the events, article quality and diversity in time period, geography, and reason for notability are all contributing factors in whether an article gets selected for inclusion.

Q5: Are the holidays/observances listed in any particular order?

A5: Yes, there is a specified order: International observances first, then alphabetically by where observed.

Q6: Some of the holidays/observances that are listed have dates in parentheses beside them. What do they mean?

A6: There are two reasons that some holidays/observances have dates next to them:

Non-Gregorian-based holidays/observances are marked with the current year as a reminder to others that their dates do in fact vary from year to year.
National Days, Independence Days, and other holidays celebrating the nationhood of a country are generally marked by the year of the significant historic date being observed.

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2012 notes

Omitted: Odoacer/Romulus Augustulus; Los Angeles/Pueblo de Los Angeles (LA ineligible—maintenance); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies; Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High School; 2010 Canterbury earthquake
Included: New Caledonia (first appearance); Siege of Fort Harrison (first appearance; 200th anniversary); Albanian Revolt of 1912 (first appearance; 100th anniversary); Forth Road Bridge (first appearance); 2007 bomb plot in Germany (first appearance)

All five articles making their OTD debuts! —howcheng {chat} 06:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 4 September 2012

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2007 German AQ bomb plot suspects were convicted, so it is not appropriate to the word "alleged" to describe them: delete the word "alleged".

108.234.185.147 (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 03:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

Omitted: New Caledonia; Siege of Fort Harrison; Albanian Revolt of 1912; Forth Road Bridge; Google; 2007 bomb plot in Germany
Included: Treaty of Alcáçovas (first appearance); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Geronimo (7th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Peekskill Riots (first appearance); 2010 Canterbury earthquake (2nd appearance, last in 2011)

—howcheng {chat} 06:08, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Omitted: Treaty of Alcáçovas; Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies; Geronimo; Peekskill Riots; 2010 Canterbury earthquake
Included: Battle of Montaperti (7th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); New Caledonia (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Eastman Kodak (first appearance); Forth Road Bridge (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Brian Mulroney (3rd appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible)

—howcheng {chat} 07:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

Omitted: Battle of Montaperti; New Caledonia; Eastman Kodak; Forth Road Bridge; Brian Mulroney
Included: Odoacer (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Los Angeles/Pueblo de Los Ángeles (LA: 5th appearance; Pueblo: 2nd appearance; both last in 2011); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Albanian Revolt of 1912 (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Google (2nd appearance, last in 2012)

—howcheng {chat} 08:25, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Treaty of Alcáçovas (maintenance); Geronimo (maintenance); Forth Road Bridge (maintenance)
Omitted: Odoacer; Los Angeles; Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies; Google
Included: Battle of Montaperti (8th appearance, last in 2014); Siege of Fort Harrison (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Brian Mulroney (4th appearance, last in 2014); 2010 Canterbury earthquake (3rd appearance, last in 2013)
Repeats: Albanian Revolt of 1912 (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 02:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Los Angeles/Pueblo de Los Ángeles (both: maintenance)
Omitted: Battle of Montaperti; Siege of Fort Harrison; Albanian Revolt of 1912; Brian Mulroney (ineligible—maintenance); 2010 Canterbury earthquake
Included: Odoacer (3rd appearance, last in 2015); New Caledonia (4th appearance, last in 2014); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (4th appearance, last in 2015); Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High School (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 60th anniversary); 2007 bomb plot in Germany (2nd appearance, last in 2012; 10th anniversary); Anna of Trebizond (first appearance); Sushilkumar Shinde (first appearance); Steve Irwin (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 06:16, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Peekskill riots (maintenance); Alaska Airlines Flight 1866 (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Los Angeles
Omitted: Odoacer; New Caledonia (ineligible—maintenance); Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High School; 2007 bomb plot in Germany; Anna of Trebizond; Sushilkumar Shinde; Steve Irwin (ineligible—maintenance)
Included: Battle of Lenzen (first appearance); Siege of Fort Harrison (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Albanian revolt of 1912 (4th appearance, last in 2016); Google (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 20th anniversary); Paul Harvey (first appearance); Syed Mustafa Siraj (first appearance)
Repeats: Anna of Trebizond (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total; 175th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 06:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Montaperti (maintenance)
New articles (ineligible): Sasha (DJ) (TFA for 2019)
Omitted: Battle of Lenzen; Siege of Fort Harrison; Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies; Google (ineligible—maintenance); Anna of Trebizond; Paul Harvey; Syed Mustafa Siraj
Included: Odoacer/Fall of the Western Roman Empire (Odoacer: 4th appearance, last in 2017; Fall: first appearance); Los Angeles (6th appearance, last in 2015); Battle of Kowloon (first appearance); 2010 Canterbury earthquake (4th appearance, last in 2016); Stephen Whitney (first appearance); Denis Tomlinson (first appearance); Joan Rivers (first appearance)
Repeats: Albanian revolt of 1912 (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Lenzen (maintenance); Kodak (maintenance); Paul Harvey (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Sasha (DJ)
Omitted: Odoacer/Fall of the Western Roman Empire; Los Angeles; Albanian revolt of 1912; 2010 Canterbury earthquake (oops); Stephen Whitney; Denis Tomlinson; Joan Rivers
Included: Siege of Malta (1798–1800) (first appearance); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (6th appearance, last in 2018); Battle of Grand Couronné (first appearance); Golden Dragon massacre (first appearance); 2007 bomb plot in Germany (3rd appearance, last in 2017); Anna of Trebizond (3rd appearance, last in 2018); Émile Bouchard (first appearance); Steve Irwin (2nd appearance, last in 2017; rescued from Ineligible)

—howcheng {chat} 20:12, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes

New articles (ineligible): Pauline Adams (POTD for 2021)
New articles (unused): Franjo Krežma; Lloyd Cadena
Omitted: Siege of Malta (1798–1800); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies; Battle of Grand Couronné (deleted—moved to September 13); Golden Dragon massacre; 2007 bomb plot in Germany; Anna of Trebizond; Émile Bouchard; Steve Irwin
Included: Odoacer/Fall of the Western Roman Empire (Odoacer: 5th appearance; Fall: 2nd; both last in 2019); Battle of Kowloon (2nd appearance, last in 2019); Albanian revolt of 1912 (6th appearance, last in 2019); Little Rock Nine (6th appearance, last in 2010; blurb previously featured Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High School, which is currently ineligible due to a possible copyvio); 2010 Canterbury earthquake (5th appearance, last in 2019); Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon (first appearance); Bert Olmstead (first appearance); Beyoncé (first appearance; 40th birthday)

—howcheng {chat} 00:19, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2022 notes

Omitted: Odoacer; Albanian revolt of 1912; Little Rock Nine; 2010 Canterbury earthquake; Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon; Bert Olmstead
Included: Siege of Malta (1798–1800) (2nd appearance, last in 2020); Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies (7th appearance, last in 2020); A Handful of Dust (first appearance); Golden Dragon massacre (2nd appearance, last in 2020); Pope Boniface I (first appearance; 1600th anniversary); Anna Anachoutlou (4th appearance, last in 2020)
Repeats: Battle of Kowloon (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total); Beyoncé (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 20:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2024 notes

Sorry, a bit late, but can we have the 200th birthday of Anton Bruckner, please? Needs an admin as the page is already protected. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]