Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 14

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 14, 2022.

Edifiying The Ed-Ventures

• Edifiying The Ed-Ventures → Ed, Edd n Eddy#Merchandise  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating this redirect for deletion as an implausible typo. — Paper Luigi ^{T • C} 23:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Well it's not a typo, so much as an extraneous "The". Per Special:PageHistory/Edifying Ed-Ventures (DVD) (which is from before moves appeared in page histories), the page's creator corrected this error about 90 minutes after they made it. No one else seems to have ever made this exact mistake, so delete. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Carotenemia

• Carotenemia → Carotenosis  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Need previously-edited redirect page "Carotenemia" deleted to move "Carotenoderma" to "Carotenemia" per:

"Carotenemia is the much more common name used to refer to the subject. In references, 'carotenemia' is used in the title 4/6 times, and in the text of the sources 95% of the time (100% of times in refs 1, 5, 6, 9; 29/38 times in ref 8, 13/14 times in ref 12), compared 'carotenoderma' being 4%, 'xanthoderma' being 17%, and 'carotenodermia' being 1%" Hiroizmeh (Talk | Contributions) 23:44, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Hiroizmeh: Carotenemia and Carotenoderma are both redirects to Carotenosis. Why should one redirect be moved to where the other is? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  Oh, my mistake. I meant "Carotenosis" as in moving that to "Carotenemia" (first deleting the existing redirect page "Carotenemia" to make way for the page move). Hiroizmeh (Talk | Contributions) 01:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

January 18, 2008 (film)

• January 18, 2008 (film) → Cloverfield  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I couldn't find information about it being a working title or alike. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete, unlikely for a film to be referenced by the day of its release, and other films were also released on the same day so somewhat WP:UNDUE. Bonoahx (talk) 23:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Supermassive star

• Supermassive star → List of most massive stars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Supermassive stars are a specific type of star theorised in recent years to have existed in the early universe (e.g. [1] ) which should have a page of their own; the wiki-link should not simply redirect to the list of *current* most massive stars observed Fig (talk) 20:38, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to supermassive black hole, and tag as {{r with possibilities}}. Supermassive stars have been discussed for decades as the source for quasars and supermassive black holes, so they are clearly a subtopic. Paradoctor (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
  • That'd be a bad idea. They are mostly unrelated. It should just go to those stars themselves, the Population III stars -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget to stellar population#Population III star which is what this is referring to (the stars of the early universe) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. and WP:REDYES. Veverve (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment It was WP:BLAR'd, then you'd need to revert to the time it was an article, and proceed from there -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

• I'm not familiar with the topic, but looking at the original article it might be that this is the same thing as Population III star, but I note that the term isn't mentioned there. If it can be mentioned at stellar population#Population III star, then redirect there, otherwise restore and AfD. I will put a note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy. A7V2 (talk) 00:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Retarget to Stellar_population#Population_III_stars. This hypothetical type of star can become far more massive because they have zero metallicity. They are (probably) unrelated to supermassive black holes, though have been proposed as a source of intermediate mass black holes that may have seeded the early growth of SMBHs. Modest Genius ^talk 15:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: So can we get a consensus to retarget to Stellar population#Population III stars?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Istory of rugby union matches between New Zealand and Wales

• Istory of rugby union matches between New Zealand and Wales → History of rugby union matches between New Zealand and Wales  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Unambiguously created in error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Up and Over

• Up and Over → In the Aeroplane Over the Sea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The term is nowhere to be found on target page. There is no lowercase entry, but the phrase of often used in WP articles. Unlikely to benefit anybody by repointing. Richhoncho (talk) 20:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• First, -1 style point for failing to come up with a section title as clever as the last In the Aeroplane Over the Sea RfD I recall. That aside, assuming this is unambiguous, retarget to Neutral_Milk_Hotel_discography#Miscellaneous, which mentions this song and explains its connection to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea.
  In closing, But for now we are young / Let us lay in the sun / And count every beautiful thing we can see. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 23:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Paradise mall

• Paradise mall → Heng Fa Chuen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Paradise Mall → Heng Fa Chuen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Maybe disambiguate because of Paradise Center in Sofia and Surfer's Paradise. There are probably other malls called that too. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Disambiguate at Paradise Mall (added to nomination). Move that lemma's edit history to Paradise Mall (Hong Kong) in case anyone ever wants to try writing an article for it again. Potential entries: Paradise Mall, Heng Fa Chuen, Hong Kong; Paradise Mall, Shivaji Place, West Delhi, India; Paradise Mall (film), a 1999 German film; and "Paradise Mall", a 1975 episode of Police Woman. Put Paradise Centre, Sofia, Bulgaria; and Paradise Centre, Surfers Paradise, Queensland, Australia in the WP:DABSEEALSO section. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

History of zoology (disambiguation)

• History of zoology (disambiguation) → Zoology#History  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete because "History of Zoology" is not ambiguous and the target is not a disambiguation page. Speedy delete previously declined in Oct 19. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. This is an avoided double redirect for History of zoology, which redirects to this section because there is no one article on the topic, but rather two articles: History of zoology through 1859 and History of zoology (1859–present), which are linked at the top of the target section. I think it's reasonable to say, then, that the target section, through its hatnote, performs a disambiguation-like function. It's basically an embedded broad-concept article. I don't think it was really necessary to create this "(disambiguation)" redirect, but there are two articles about the history of zoology, and the target section links to both, so it's not incorrect. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 18:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
  • It's not an avoided double redirect (and it isn't tagged as one): there's no reason why History of Zoology can't directly target Zoology#History. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Raj Kumar (processor)

• Raj Kumar (processor) → Raj Kumar (professor)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is borderline G6 as unambiguously created in error, but it's been around a few years so I thought better to take it here. Moved from "neurosurgeon" to "processor" 4:38, 29 January 2019. Moved from "processor" to "professor" 4:39, 29 January 2019. Clearly not a plausible disambiguator, as Mr. Kumar is not any of the things that might be referred to as a processor. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 17:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: a clear error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Philosophy and myth

• Philosophy and myth → Polytheistic myth as psychology  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure why this redirect has this target, but since I didn't believe it was R3-worthy, I thought it'd be best that we have a discussion. This may be a notable topic in the future suo jure or perhaps can be used to target a book, Philosophy and Myth in Karl Marx, but since both do not exist I think it would be best to keep it as a redlink. Sdrqaz (talk) 16:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Simon Hatt

• Simon Hatt → The Suicide Squad (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete because (a) Simon Hatt is a wheelchair tennis player who is mentioned in several articles, but has no article himself, and (b) the redirect applies to Simon Hatt, a producer on the film The Suicide Squad, who has no article, and no links, and isn't even mentioned in the redirect target article The Suicide Squad (film). Colonies Chris (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete to allow uninhibited use of Search, which reveals 3 mentions (of the wheelchair tennis player). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Russian Catholic Church (disambiguation)

• Russian Catholic Church (disambiguation) → Russian Greek Catholic Church  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Perhaps somewhat unhelpfully, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian Catholic Church (disambiguation) was closed in 2018 as "Redirect somewhere". It was eventually redirected to Russian Greek Catholic Church with a suitable hatnote. If this is acceptable, then it is clear that Russian Greek Catholic Church is not a disambiguation page and so Russian Catholic Church (disambiguation) should be deleted. I would have used G14 if this wasn't controversial. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Comment a set index could be created somewhere, to list the Catholic churches in what is now and what was in the past Russia (ie. Russian Empire); which would list the churches, instead of the overview article "Catholic Church in Russia"; then this could be retargetted there, per the AfD outcome (since they seem to want to keep it) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 15:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Delete so long as no page exists disambiguating the term "Russian Catholic Church". If such a page is created, retarget there. Or create a DAB/SIA here; the 2018 AfD consensus would only preclude creating it as a DAB for just those two pages. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 01:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Dark Grey

• Dark Grey → X11 color names  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The page should be redirected to gray. Q28 (talk) 05:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Generally supportive as an obvious change, though the redirect isn't protected and there's no history of discussion or edit warring, and this isn't the sort of change one would expect to generate much controversy, so I'm not entirely sure why you didn't just WP:BOLD it. Nonetheless, here it is listed now, and we should wait until the discussion is resolved before doing anything. --HarJIT (talk) 10:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• Retarget to Shades of gray, which includes several colors named or described as dark gray. - Eureka Lott 18:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainian Revolution of 2013

• Ukrainian Revolution of 2013 → Euromaidan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There wasn't any 'Ukrainian revolution of 2013', so this seems to be an implausible misnomer. The revolution happened in 2014, and we have an article on it, Revolution of Dignity. The question is, do we delete this redirect, redirect it to Revolution of Dignity (as a potential typo), or leave it tied to the article on the Euromaidan movement, which does include 2013 events (though they were not yet a revolution at that stage)? RGloucester — ☎ 04:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Keep Both articles’ intros support the idea that the protests led to the revolution, and one could conceive of the two as a four-month “revolution.” As a reader following the link is expecting an article about something that started in 2013, I would prefer keeping the redirect as is, but I’m also fine with changing it to the other. —Michael Z. 17:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
• I lean toward deletion per WP:XY: Euromaidan was not (generally described by reliable sources as) a revolution, and the Revolution of Dignity did not take place in 2013, so it's not obvious which of the two directions to correct in. However, it's at least a closer to match to the latter (to which Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 redirects, and which does characterize a build-up starting in 2013), so my second choice would be a retarget there. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 15:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Genio

• Genio → Quidgest#Genio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in article Muhandes (talk) 09:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to allow the March 6th log page to be closed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

• Delete to facilitate uninhibited Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Alkiviadis

• Alkiviadis → Alcibiades  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Anachronistic transliteration that fails WP:RFFL, as the topic has no affinity to modern Greek. Avilich (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

The question I would put is, how likely is it that someone reading Greek sources—perhaps tour guides or other tourist literature—or recent histories by modern Greek authors—would run across this form, and wonder who it is? If there's even a small possibility that this form is currently in use, and that people might want to look it up on English Wikipedia, then we should keep it unless it's needed for some other purpose. I don't feel confident in my ability to guess whether people would or wouldn't run across it—but if this is a typical rendering in modern Greek, then I would guess it could come up. P Aculeius (talk) 13:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

There are people called AΛKIBIADHC in both ancient and modern times, and I don't see how the modern "Alkiviadis" could more likely refer to the Alcibiades than any other person. There is in Wikipedia a Greek general named Alkiviadis Stefanis, which is itself a better target for the redirect "Alkiviadis" simply for the fact that he has the actual spelling in the name. Another possibility is retargeting to Alcibiades (disambiguation), but this spelling doesn't appear there. Avilich (talk) 19:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)