Talk:Our Lady of Absam

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by RoySmith (talk) 15:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The enshrined windowpane, pictured in 2011

... that a miraculous windowpane from 1797, depicting an etching of the Virgin Mary (pictured), is a central pilgrimage attraction in Absam, Austria? Source: https://www.hall-wattens.at/en/image-virgin-mary-absam.html
- ALT1: ... that in Absam, Austria, an image of the Virgin Mary etched into a windowpane (pictured) miraculously remained despite repeated attempts to remove it by chemical and physical means? Source: https://www.hall-wattens.at/en/image-virgin-mary-absam.html
- ALT2: ... that the most important Marian pilgrimage site in Tyrol, Austria is home to a windowpane from 1797 (pictured), mysteriously etched with a depiction of the Virgin Mary? Source: https://www.hall-wattens.at/en/image-virgin-mary-absam.html
- Reviewed: This is my first DYK.
- Comment: The sources linked for the first version of the comment is applicable to ALTs 1 and 2 as well. Please let me know if anything is to be improved!

Created by That Coptic Guy (talk). Self-nominated at 06:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Alt1 should be implemented, it is much more interested and detailed than the rest suggested hook. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 10:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The article is properly sourced and consists of illustrations. So, it's good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 09:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @That Coptic Guy and JeBonSer: I have to imagine we can't call this windowpane "miraculous" in wikivoice... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @theleekycauldron - Would it be appropriate, then, if we removed the word "miraculous" and still go with ALT1? I don't have an issue with that. Removal of the word doesn't drastically alter the uniqueness of the windowpane. — That Coptic Guy (let's talk?) 22:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - That Coptic Guy how about:
    - ALT1a: ... that an image of the Virgin Mary etched into a windowpane (pictured) survived repeated attempts to remove it by chemical and physical means?
    - It's a bit punchier, and I think our users will know who the Virgin Mary is. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:09, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Can I ask about the sources used in this article? www.miraclehunter.com, www.roman-catholic-saints.com, www.sudariumchristi.com, www.catholicculture.org... are these reputable scholarly sources? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - Reliability of sources questioned, not ready for promotion yet. –LordPeterII (talk) 18:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Pinging That Coptic Guy. Scorpions13256 (talk) 15:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Since TCG is on wikibreak, we should close this up in ten days or so if they're not around to fix the issues. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Maybe one of us can adopt this nomination to get it unstuck? Lightburst (talk) 15:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Sure, but someone actually has to step up and do that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:43, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        @Theleekycauldron: sadly I am not ambitious enough. Maybe a closure is in order.Lightburst (talk) 00:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        so ordered, reluctantly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion in text[edit]

The text seems to say that the image was successfully removed ("With the application of a lead polish, the glass allegedly became transparent and the image had disappeared"), as does the source, but the overall impression and the 2011 photograph seem to affirm that it still exists. Was it removed the last time but came back again or was it partially removed and then stopped before removing the entire image? Does anyone know what year the Commission investigated and reported? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Randy - this was honestly a question I had as well and one that was in the back of my head. I did wonder if they stopped removing the image and kept most of it intact, or if the image re-appeared on its own after that. I'll do more research as I agree it is a point of confusion here. I would also have to assume that the investigation was done around the same time of the miracle in 1797. — That Coptic Guy (let's talk?) 01:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks That Coptic Guy, a nice mystery (and page). Randy Kryn (talk) 06:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That Coptic Guy I was confused by that too. I wasn't able to find anything that could clear up the confusion though. It seems that the image has returned despite the removal, but I can't be sure without a source. Scorpions13256 (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]