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Contents 1 Hiding 'Related Articles' 2 Image has no copyright 3 Collapsible template 4 Eighteen Kingdoms 5 Lead image 6 Shrank template using line-height parameter

[edit] Hiding 'Related Articles'

This template is large enough that it causes problems in displaying pages with other navigation templates and/or photographs and other illustrations. It really helps to keep the related articles hidden. LK (talk) 14:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image has no copyright

The image used in this template, File:History of China.gif, has no official copyright. Someone is now opposing the Featured Article Candidate Han Dynasty because of this stupid image. Can the creater please identify an appropiate license? Thank you.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 23:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah! Nevermind. That image has been superseded anyway. Look at File:History of China.png.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 23:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi all, the issue is not that it has no copyright, but that the information provided did not clearly state who was the owner (since he or she must be identified for the copyright to be released). ChongDae is not the author; he or she only uploaded the image to Commons. Hell's coffeepot (地狱牌咖啡壶) might be the author, but he or she might also be the last user to have edited the image. In this case, an admin (one on the Zh Wikipedia) or ChongDae should verify the author as well as the copyright status of the image before it was uploaded to Commons. Jappalang (talk) 02:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Collapsible template

History of China
Ancient Paleolithic Neolithic Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors Xia Dynasty Shang Dynasty Zhou Dynasty Early Imperial Qin Dynasty Han Dynasty Six Dynasties Three Kingdoms Jin Dynasty Sixteen Kingdoms Southern and Northern Dynasties Mid-Imperial Sui Dynasty Tang Dynasty Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Period Northern Conquest Dynasties Song Dynasty Late Imperial Yuan Dynasty Ming Dynasty Qing Dynasty Modern Republic of China People's Republic of China Related topics Chinese historiography Timeline of Chinese history Dynasties in Chinese history Linguistic history Art history Economic history Education history Science and technology history Legal history Media history Military history Naval history
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Since there have been complaints about the unwieldiness of the current template, I have made a collapsible one based on Template:Egyptian Dynasty list. I recommend it for short or stub articles.--Countakeshi (talk) 13:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Eighteen Kingdoms

is there any possible way to add Eighteen Kingdoms on it? --Lennlin (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The article Eighteen Kingdoms is inaccurate. (I will be correcting it soon.) The eighteen principalities refer to the feudal divisions created by Xiang Yu (see Xiang Yu#Xiang's deposition of Prince Xin of Chu and division of the empire). It does not refer to the entire interregnum between Qin and Han, and should therefore not be included in the template.--Palaeovia^talk 23:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lead image

Instead of the current image which depicts a small group of people snacking and listening to a musician, how about a detail from the famous scroll Along the River During the Qingming Festival:

I can re-cut a another detail so that the image is wider and not as tall. LK (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's a new re-cut detail. I've used it to replace the image in the small History of China navbox template. LK (talk) 17:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've made another, it a detail from Departure Herald a scroll showing the large traveling procession of the Xuande emperor. I think this one is best. I'm going to use it to replace the lead image on the template. LK (talk) 12:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have any substantial objections to the Ming painting being used, but there really was nothing wrong with the Song painting of Night Revels of Han Xizai. Yes, they were snacking and eating while listening to musicians, but this would have been much more common than a grandiose royal chariot being pulled by 15 horses (as in the painting for the Xuande Emperor). I liked the Song painting because it reflected more the average, daily activities of life, whereas this particular Ming painting shows in total pomp and grandiosity the exclusive entourage and lifestyle of the emperor. Not particularly representative of Chinese history as a whole.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 22:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Good point. But is the daily (night) life of the literati, 'history'? I would prefer something more dramatic, say, the burning of the Cao Cao's ships at the Battle of Red Cliffs, but Chinese sensibilities don't run that way, or at least we don't have such a painting in commons. Would you prefer a scene from the Qing version of Along the River during the Chingming festival (the Qing version because the colors are better preserved)? LK (talk) 05:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, like I said, I see no reason to remove the current painting, just thought I would throw that thought out there for others to consider. Along the River would certainly fit into the category of revealing more the history of daily life. If you were to replace it, which scene of the 18th century Qing version would you use? The bridge? The palace? The city gate? The marketplace? Many to choose from.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 07:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I've looked through the whole image and don't see any detail that is particularly striking. Do you have any preference? LK (talk) 08:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Shrank template using line-height parameter

I just found out that the line height of the template can be adjusted using the 'line-height' parameter. I've set it to 150%, I think it defaults to 200%. If anyone feels really strongly about it, feel free to change it back. LK (talk) 06:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

From trial and error, it appears that the default is around 160% or so. I've set it back to that. I'm going to shrink the space between the lines for the same entry. Eg. the line height between 'Song Dynasty' and '960–1279', since they are the same entry, there should be some visual clue of that. LK (talk) 08:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)