User talk:Mercurywoodrose

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I'm not sure why you're unhappy; don't get mad and leave. Take some time, relax, explain what's the matter... Not having done a "BEFORE" on Titstare is really small potatoes and I hope that I haven't done anything to offend you. I don't think that I have... Anyway, take a couple days off if that's what it takes and then vocalize what's the matter. Things that are broken can't be fixed if they're tossed in the dump. Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I looked at that AfD and see no reason not to close it as a SNOW keep, which is what I just did. However, I have no issue with the thing having been nominated in the first place (shit happens), and accusations about a "pattern" of bad nominations (Doncram) or "Trigger-happy deletionism" (Wikidemon) are expressions of bad taste and bad faith, and those editors appear to have never read WP:AGF or WP:NPA. Wikidemon and Doncram, who in my opinion have no need to visit this talk page unless they wish to offer an apology, are advised to seek more appropriate fora and present evidence--or, of course, they can just keep those comments to themselves. Take it easy, Mercurywoodrose. Drmies (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
How exactly is that an accusation of bad faith? If someone is going to hastily invoke an administrative process to oppose and undo other editors' work, they shouldn't have a thin skin about the process they use. That's a recurring problem at AfD. I do apologize for being too harsh without considering the source. I meant to register annoyance, not to make anyone feel bad. I'll keep an eye out for MWR and try to be more kind. Cool username, BTW. - Wikidemon (talk) 19:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words above, added as i was typing below. the strong content below can hopefully be seen as my blowing off steam. thanks for the name compliment too. Also, it was more the other editor, who i think saw a pattern in other edits of mine, so your comment was to me more of a straw on the camels back.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Because i DONT have a motherfucking pattern of doing so. and its OK to AFD something that you honestly believe is nonnotable, even if the end result is a snow keep. there is a big difference between being incorrect in one's estimate of notability (which i admit to assuming that an article on the app would be the only criteria, that the controversy is the bigger topic), or even accidentally or mistakenly skipping a step (mea culpa on not checking for more refs), and deliberately misusing the AFD process. if i AM actually misusing the AFD process, perhaps an editor would be kind enough to point it out privately on my talk page before assuming bad faith and labelling me as such at an AFD. i have considered, off and on, becoming an admin. my understanding of adminship is the review is severe, and any evidence of inappropriate editing is grounds for denial. I now have this on my record, and i suspect that i will never be allowed to become an admin, based on this accusation. I am unfortunately used to head trips from my professional life (not coworkers, mind you), but i really dont need that here. I am going to give myself an approximate 6 month break on making or commenting on AFD's, to show good faith and to avoid more discomfort, though i admit i just afd'd the socal portal, which i hope was done properly. I do have a fair edit history here and at the commons, with few reversions, so i am not a newcomer. I still do feel like my editing style could be ravaged at any time, for any reason, with no consideration of myself as a person, and I have one other incident where an admin blatantly used ownership to deny my edits, and pretended they didnt own anything, as good a display of a personality disordered, power hungry asshole as i have encountered anywhere, with few others commenting on their behaviors.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I have been thinking about this for the past few days, and I think you are exhibiting a lot of qualities that are worthy and noble in a potential admin. You are thoughtful, sensitive, you care, you want to do the right thing. I am far from the administrative nomination process, I think the whole thing is pretty flawed. I know I would make an excellent admin myself, but I could never win a confirmation. I've been involved in too many policy debates, fought too many trolls, stood up too many times. Nobody would ever fault you, in an administrative appointment, for making a bad deletion nomination. I don't think anyone expects admins to be right all the time, they just have to be fair, and respectful, and thoughtful, and sincere. If someone ever said you were unfit because you made a bad process nomination you could disarm them completely by saying what you've said here, aw, gee, I'm willing to listen, I respect your point, I was not trying to steamroll you. Let's have a nice chat. I'm learning. Your "I DONT have a motherfucking" comment above is very honest but that's a temperament you can't take into the admin corps. When you carry the mop as they say, you will find many floors that do not want to be scrubbed. They will lash out, they will attack you, they will play games and create fake accounts, they will accuse you of a lot of things. What the community is looking for in admins, I think, isn't someone who will fight back, but someone who is above the fight. Drmies is a very well-respected admin of long standing around here, which means that his (her?) opinions carry some weight, but I think they went too far to be nice to you — cheering you up, as they should, at the expense of saying I was acting in bad faith or accusing you of that. Everything here leaves a trace. Nobody's perfect. Anyway, feel free to stop by my page anytime with a request, and if you are ever nominated for admin I'll support it. If you think an article I create is not notable, best ask me first and I may reconsider. You know how it is, any editor who creates a new article feels bad when it is quickly criticized. After 1000+ articles I know how to defend mine so sorry that I snapped at you in that way. Best, and happy editing! - Wikidemon (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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About proof of notability[edit]

Thank you for adding the expansion tag for LGBT culture in San Francisco. I agree that the article needs to be expanded. However I don't think the article is in danger of deletion, nor is it in danger of merging:

  • 1. The "further reading" is of course a resource to people who want to build the article, but it is also more or less a way of saying: Hi! This subject is notable. Please don't do an AFD, because the existence of these sources are proof of notability. Please don't attempt a merge either!
  • 2. It's common sense in the western world that "San Francisco is the center of the gay community" so I feel like the bare minimum was needed to establish this subject: I would prefer to devote more time and energy to establishing lesser-known/more obscure articles, things that are not obvious through common sense. As a longtime editor I understand the sourcing requirements, WP:V, and the like. But I also believe other editors should have a sense of common sense. By following common sense, the editor should understand that it is unreasonable to suggest a merge or an AFD. If either one is tried, the natural outcome would be keeping the article.

Having said that I will look for a "statement of notability" such as "ABC, a journalist at DEF, said ...." WhisperToMe (talk) 15:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully what I find in the Google Books editions of The Meaning of Gay: Interaction, Publicity, and Community among Homosexual Men in 1960s San Francisco will make the subject's notability clear WhisperToMe (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I found a statement of notability from Google Books. Hopefully that will put any concerns to rest :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I see. I wonder if anybody on Wikipedia has done studies on whether undeveloped stubs actually turn off readers.

Back when I started on Wikipedia in 2003 the idea is that a small stub is supposed to be inviting to the reader, who can take it and add more. A small stub is like a seed and an encouragement of other authors to help it grow. I'm afraid that if it just starts as a sub-section of "San Francisco" (which is already very, very large) other less experienced editors won't understand that it's a viable subject. I generally prefer to start the article ASAP and only keep things in my userpage as a draft if I'm unsure that the article meets notability standards.

I think the amount of books that are specifically about the LGBT culture in San Francisco would actually go against the idea of merging temporarily because it's obvious that the subject is viable as a standalone article. Maybe I'm more of an old-school editor but I prefer starting a stub ASAP and inviting others to complete it later, though I do work on the article as it's in the mainspace. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I believe that small stubs are a wonderful part of WP, and essential to its development. what i find problematic is when an obviously huge topic has a very skeletal article, which, when compared to what could be written, is so sparse as to be useless. nearly everyone on earth knows that sf has a lgbt community, and that harvey milk was part of it. I think WP has evolved such that highly notable topics need at the start to at least address the basics, and its a bit of a disservice to have something too sparse be representative of the topic. I think this particular topic is a gross oversight, that should have been dealt with years ago, but i guess no one really wanted to try. I will definitely help if i feel inspired (i rewrote the lede a bit). and i dont think anyone will fault you for trying. if this was built up to about 5 k in size, with links to major topics, it would be fine in articlespace. your or i could knock that out in about a day. go ahead, make my day:).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
PS regarding your concern that editors at the SF aticle might think its not a notable topic for a subsection. any such editors there would have their heads up their butts (so far as i know this is not a sexual practice supported by the lgbt community). i wouldnt worry about that. I think people will be flabbergasted if they suddenly realize there is not article about this yet. the only concern would be whether even a subsection can begin to address it adequately prior to full article. it needs at least 50k or so be even a "c" class article, and i wouild say at least 25k for start class, so it will never remain as a subsection, but should be a "main article" link only, not a "see also" link, with at MOST a single sentence like the lede i just created for the article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll keep everything here. Anyway, thank you for your help! I think a lot of the big topics had already been started which is why it's rare to encounter such a big subject with a small stub. Anyway I found some articles which should help add some meat to the bones :) - Keep your eyes peeled while I work some magic WhisperToMe (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
The article's now at about 8,000 bytes WhisperToMe (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

It's now at 17,486 bytes and an editor went ahead and removed the stub tag. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I made it Start class. its about as good as it possibly could be with one editor and this short a history. I expect it to easily expand, as im sure you intend. i added it to the San Francisco article as a main article link in a subsection on lgbt in the city, which i created (that was just me adding subsection breakers or whatever they are called, no real editing), as its definitely useful now. I hope to edit some myself, but you definitely dont need my help. your writing style is very matter of fact, not promotional, which i also try to aspire to.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. :) I do think that using a dispassionate editing style is perhaps the most important thing in Wikipedia editing. I did intend for the article to not only to be expanded, but for it to link to other "LGBT in city" type articles (so they get more exposure) and to encourage and inspire Wikipedians to start their own "LGBT in city" articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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I'm having a bit of problem with Hispanic and Latin American task force. After merging both Latinos and Mexican-Americans projects with WikiProject United States. But the problem I'm having is getting both task forces integrated into the WikiProject United States banner (see the talk page). Could you please help me out? Erick (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Mercurywoodrose. I got them to update the US project template so the Hispanic / Latino and Mexican-American task forces are now included. Cheers! Erick (talk) 02:57, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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UC Jazz[edit]

Hi Mercurywoodrose! Re the Members of UC Jazz template, the people you deleted may not be notable enough for wiki pages but they are prominent alums of the jazz program and well known in varoius jazz circles. For ex., Susan Muscarella is founder and director of the Jazz School in Berkeley. Bill Aron is founder, director, and player with the San Francisco Jazz Quartet (if I rmember the name right), Paul Giorsetto is the frst call trumpet in Honolulu (again if memory serves), Linda Goldstein became the manager for numerous heavy duty musicians, etc. I didn]t include James Henson who was on a board of California educators in music. To be notable in WP you need articles written about you, right?, but as a musician it's your discography, track record, etc., and of the thousands of UC Jazz alum these folks are among the most prominent, so that's why I put them in. Many lists have people lacking WP pages, but are still prominent enough to deserve listing. I agree with your deletion of "Prominent" but I put it in to distringuish these from the many alum. I'm new here and am not going to fight over this and make a scene but I think the names I put in deserve to be included, whether or not they have a WP page. Thanks. RhymesWithBasie. oops...here's my tilde. RhymesWithBasie (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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