User talk:Oanabay04/Archive 4

January 2011

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• • This file can be deleted. Thank you.Oanabay04 (talk) 17:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
    • No one was referring to a file. Srobak (talk) 03:36, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Sorry. My above response was meant for a different inquiry.Oanabay04 (talk) 14:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

ANI

Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, Exxolon (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Tomatosoup97.

Please remove me from this. I am not involved, though I understand why Oknazevad would think I was involved. Thank you kindly.Oanabay04 (talk) 22:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Delaware Valley Rails: The Railroads and Rail Transit Lines of the Philadelphia Area for deletion

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Re: Fox Chase Rapid Transit Line

Well, I'll start off with the fact that "ding dong" its about the most useless statement to call WP:PA over. Second, the article here, plus Fox Chase Line, Walnut Hill (SEPTA station) and Huntingdon Valley (SEPTA station) look like they've been met with a dump truck. I'm currently operating the bulldozer. A number of the photos added need their copyright refined, because asking fellow administrators, I'm failing to find how these are even acceptable. This includes the West Chester photo, all the R8 photos of the 80s, etc. Walnut Hill needs massive quotes removed. Huntingdon Valley just needs scrapping of stuff. There's more that I won't go into here.Mitch32^{(Can someone turn on the damn air conditioning?)} 20:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I will choose to ignore your above post since all sentences violate WP:CIV, WP:CIVIL, WP:NICE. Frankly none of what you wrote about can be decipherd because it is all written in slang. When you write sentences that make sense, we can talk. Most of the photos were either taken by myself are utilized from a book, in which they are properly sourced.Oanabay04 (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Walnut Hill 2006 picture

I reverted your edits. PA-TEC is not the source of that picture. I am, as the existing tag indicates. I took it with my camera and released it to the public domain. --Coemgenus (talk) 21:00, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

My error. I forgot that this photo has been around longer than the PA-TEC website. That is where soem of these Newtown line pictures are housed most prominently. Thank you for reverting. By the way, do you have any additional pictures of the line when it was dismantled through Lorimer Park? Oanabay04 (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

No, I uploaded everything I took when I wrote the articles about the stations. --Coemgenus (talk) 19:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Laugh Track Page

The reason the edits were severe is that I systematically cut anything that conflated laugh tracks with audiences. The entire original article is based in old urban legends about how and where laugh tracks were used, as well as a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between a multi-camera, live-audience show (where they are used only for "sweetening" and there is no consensus about how often "sweetening" is used) and a single-camera show. The original article sidesteps all of this and makes the chronology extremely confused, instead of the simple and true chronology based on shows that were single-camera (and had fake laughter) and those that used audiences.

The essential fact of the laugh track is that it was introduced in TV for shows that did not use live audiences, particularly single-camera, movie-style shows -- the original article conveys the impression that there is no distinction, and has helped contribute to the poisonous online myth that shows today use "laugh tracks" when in fact laugh tracks are all but extinct. (When people accuse Big Bang Theory or Seinfeld or whatever of being "laugh track" shows they often use the old article for backup.)

I am not criticizing the writers of the original article. Much of the reference information they were using is bad. Books and articles for years used "laugh track" interchangeably with audience. But the interchangeability is wrong and is inseparable from the original article. I kept as much of the original writers' words as was compatible with the attempt to get it factually correct.--Giebergolfarb —Preceding undated comment added 03:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC).

Hi. Thanx for getting back to me. I appreciate the updates. However, I need to see whaty your sources are that indicate laugh tracks are no longer used. Most shows today sweeten on a regular basis, even with a live audience. The Big Bang Theory is indeed live. Seinfeld uses both. Without sources that suggest laugh tracks are no longer, these edits cannot stay. I want to believe this is true so we can keep your edits; however, they need to be sourced. Most sources---particularly the 1966 TV Guide articles---are legit sources. I will leave the edits in for now, but the article may need to be reviewed before we leave as-is. Pls. adviseOanabay04 (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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Newtown line

I've been to a forum or two, but none hosted by PA-TEC. We probably haven't met, but I suspect we know some of the same people. --Coemgenus (talk) 16:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I remember attending a forum and talking about the Walnut Hill Station. Someone had said they snapped pictures of the line in that section before and after the trail. Thought it might have been you. Thanx. Oanabay04 (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Laugh Track Page

The more recent deletions were an attempt to keep the article from depending on dubious sourcing (a lot of sources on laugh tracks are unreliable). However, you are right that I went too far in the deletions and except for adding a couple of words to clarify, I have left the "filming without an audience" section intact. The article seems to be what it should be now. Thank you for your help and sorry for the over-aggressive cutting.--Giebergoldfarb

Sounds good by me. At this point, I think we both should get together and finally publish a long-overdue book on the subject. Why not? :-) Oanabay04 (talk) 13:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Huntingdon valley1982.jpg

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I saw that you removed the tag from this file, and it has been replaced. You have not established any evidence of permission for using that photo. Stating on the image page "used with permission" does not constitute as evidence, because any user could take any photo from any website and make the same statement and falsely release it under a free license. Instead of just removing the tag like you did before, please read WP:Permission. An OTRS may be required to establish evidence, but simply stating you were given permission does not. –Dream out loud (talk) 03:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Simple enough. I know the authotr, so I will obtain his written permission.Oanabay04 (talk) 03:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

My offer to end this silly dispute

Just to see what the answer is (after hours of calming down), here's my treaty to ending this silly dispute over the small tags: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Captions#.3Csmall.3E_Tags_in_Captions_for_Infoboxes. My civility is beginning to get to my head, and this is my offer to end this entirely on the old R3. At least give it consideration.Mitch32^{(Can someone turn on the damn air conditioning?)} 00:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

1) You need to learn to mature in your arguements and leave the emotions outside the door. 2) You have yet to make a civil arguement. 3) Take a look a this article = Locksley_(SEPTA_station). The caption in the infobox is clearly the same size as the text. This might be a problem with the station Infobox. Now, for TV show infoboxes for exmaple, you are indeed correct; the text is smaller; see here: The Pink Panther Show. Please advise why caption size changes. 4) Captions, particularly in infoboxes, should be brief and not in sentence format. You have chosen to undo all the edits and re-expand the text. As long as nothing is lost in translation, it would make more sense to leave it. Hope this helps.Oanabay04 (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

In addition, it appears to me that you often lack the ability to WP:DISENGAGE and are bordering on WP:DIVA. Please stop and learn to discuss the issue directly first instead if simply reverting edits that might actually help the article.Oanabay04 (talk) 05:25, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Infoboxes

By default, captions in infoboxes are already put into a small size. So having <small>Small text</small> is not needed. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

• I'm afraid they are not small. Take a look a this article = Locksley_(SEPTA_station). The caption in the infobox is clearly the same size as the text. This might be a problem with the station Infobox. Now, for TV show infoboxes, you are indeed correct; the text is smaller; see here: The Pink Panther Show. Please advise why caption size changes. Thank you.Oanabay04 (talk) 12:48, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Concordville_8.25.77crop.JPG

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Permission has been received from author. Email sent to permissions-enwikimedia.org. Thank you. Oanabay04 (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Jrsmith.jpg

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FYI, you removed the tag without actually adding the source. You added a source but then removed it, so I don't know if you did that on purpose, so I've retagged the image as deletable (perhaps you thought the source wasn't correct or derivative of the English Wikipedia image). Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

My error on this one. I added the source (review the history) but I received an "edit conflict" note and attempted to re-add the source. I have since resolved and added the proper source. Please let me know if this is satisfactory. Thank you. Oanabay04 (talk) 05:11, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011

Please stop. Continuing to remove file deletion tags from file description pages on Wikipedia without resolving the problem that the template refers to may be considered vandalism. Further edits of this type may result in your being blocked from editing Wikipedia. You are an established editor here and should know better than to remove deletion tags from file pages. If you disagree with the nomination, than you may state your reasons, but removing the tags is very immature, not to mention pure vandalism, and will lead to being blocked. –Dream out loud (talk) 02:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Immature is not an appropriate term for such an action. First and formost, WP:ATWV. Poor way to start a discussion. Second, my actions were based on past experience of resolving issues with photos. Photos are tagged appropriately and are added using WP:AGF. The constant tagging of legit photos is both a waste of time and energy. Given the constant tagging, it makes me suspect you suffer from both WP:ZEAL and perhaps WP:HUNT. Please do not threaten me with being blocked: the only purpose of blocking, banning, and other sanctions is to protect the encyclopedia from harm. I disagreed with the WP:ZEAL nomination, stated very clear reasons and the issue was resolved. Wiki clearly states "But when meaningful contributions are made, it is important to WP:AGF in the contributor and not to rush to "get rid" of someone else's writing. Even if it does not follow your own interests, it was written by someone for a good reason." In the future, instead of taking the easy way out an simply tagging a photo, how about contacting the uploader directly for further understanding as to why the photo was loaded and what purpose it serves, rather than assuming? How about "I noticed you added x, y and z photo. It does not seem to add to the article. Your thoughts." It really makes life easier for both editors instead of logging on and finding a slew of messages saying "your photo is about to be deleted." It appears to me that both you and Mitch32^{(Can someone turn on the damn air conditioning?)} lack the basic WP:ENJOY tactic. Thank you.Oanabay04 (talk) 05:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

What you did is vandalism. I am not going to sugarcoat it. WP:ATWV says that "vandal" should only be used when appropriate, and in the case of your actions, it certainly was. As listed at WP:VANDTYPES, your action was considered "Avoidant vandalism". Unless you are a new editor and the tag was removed by mistake, then it is clearly a case of vandalism. I don't go around randomly deleting or tagging images because it makes me feel superior or anything like that; I do it because some of these contributions (not just yours) do not follow all of Wikipedia's guidelines and/or policies. You have been an editor here for a long time, and I honestly think that your actions were inappropriate. I hate to send warning messages to established editors, especially ones I have personally dealt with before, but it was entirely necessary. I am sure that if you removed deletion tags nominated by another editor, you would have received the same warning from someone else. I don't know what kind of "past expedience of resolving issues with photos" includes, but deletion tags should never be removed by the one who made the initial contribution or upload (unless it is a prod tag, but that's different). Removing deletion tags does not solve any issues; as you can see, it only creates more problems. You have made some useful contributions to Wikipedia in the past, but I honestly do not feel that you completely understand the non-free content guidelines. Not to target you specifically, but we tend to edit similar articles, and some of the inappropriate non-free images I have come across have been uploaded by you. So far, three of the four images you uploaded that I have nominated in the past for deletion have been deleted, and I can guarantee that the fourth will be deleted as well. Some images, such as File:West Chester 1986.jpg, were great non-free contributions, but they are only appropriate in one article, not three or four similar ones. It is very seldom that a non-free image is used in more than one article to begin with. Other images, such as File:Reading78.jpg, have very vague and generic rationales, which makes it difficult to pinpoint exactly what it satisfies WP:NFC. It is nothing personal, it is just a matter of overusing non-free images when a) there are plenty of free images available (WP:NFC#1) or b) the non-free image's subject is not specifically identified in the article and does not add any additional context, and therefore is not necessary (WP:NFC#7). All I'm saying is that you may need to familiarize yourself with the guidelines and don't take things so personally. I don't want to see anymore of your uploads get deleted either, and you won't have to worry about that if the guidelines are correctly followed. As an editor, I am only here to do what I think is best for the encyclopedia as a whole, and not target anyone specifically. Sorry if there have been any hard feelings. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I have read your response, and do agree with you on many points. I personally believe that the recent round of images you tagged served a very good purpose, but in the grand scheme of life, it is not worth making a big deal about. Every rule on wikipedia can be interpreted differently, and that is to be expected with any policy. Admittedly, I do get carried away on occasion. I will review the policy again (I had reviewed in the beginning, but have not refreshed my memory in a while), just to myself up to speed. It is definitely true that we edit similar, if not the very same, articles. I think we can call a WP:Truce. I will try not to over use non-free images as long as you try to contact me first instead of marking for deletion. no hard feelings whatsoever here in WikiWorld.Oanabay04 (talk) 23:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

pink panther

I am PROD marking your episodes, as they are non notable, and have no references. For a series like this, I think a single page of "list of episodes of XXX" page is more appropriate, where you can give a brief summary of each episode all in one. As a collection they are notable, but there are not really going to be any references etc for individual episodes. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

• There is already a list of episodes page. Many series' have individual pages for each entry (The Three Stooges, The Simpsons, Our Gang, Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes, Woody Woodpecker). The Pink Panther was quite a significant series and the entries derserve their own pages. Thank you.Oanabay04 (talk) 21:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

TfD

Lugnuts (talk) 08:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Restoration of pink panther pages

I see that you are reverting some of the redirects on the pink panther articles. Any reason for this? They were redirected via an AFD process. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

You are redirecting significant entries in the series. please link the AFD process to this page for further review. Thank you.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Le_Cop_on_Le_Rocks Gaijin42 (talk) 19:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The AFD discusses the Ant and Aardvark and Inspectoe entries. However, there are conflicting thoughts on the Pink Panther entries. Feel free to redirect the former two series' but refrain from the Pink Panther entries. Thank youOanabay04 (talk) 19:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I am a fan of the series, but I do not think that the inidividual episodes/shorts are individually notable. They all have the exact same content (except for the very short plot summary), and the exact same references. That is a strong indicator to me that it is group notability. If you know of sources that are discussing the individual episodes in detail, then those references would strong as a good counter argument( I would however, qualify that a book, etc which discusses every episode, does not show notability of any particular episode.) The distinction you are drawing (excluding the panther articles) is not made in the AFD, however, in the spirit of cooperation, I will renominate the pink panther episodes to see if the community distinguishes them. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi - I made some comments about this on the AFD page.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I do not see a comment there, you may need to re-edit. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

You made a comment on the old AFD discussion, which is closed. You would need to comment on the new AFD I just created. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pink_Pest_Control#Pink_Pest_Control Gaijin42 (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

That's true, he's right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariannan (talk • contribs) 10:34, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Comments added to new AFD. Oanabay04 (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

<--Belatedly: I saw this and other edits: please don't undo redirects that have been decided on. It's a blockable offense. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Restoration of Ant and Aardvark pages

Can you work at the Ant and the Aardvark articles, and add some pics about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santre34 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would be happy to.Oanabay04 (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I would just point out that the articles in question are ones that did not survive an AFD, and that you agreed were covered by that AFD (but you contested and said the pink panther should not be covered) Gaijin42 (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I had assumed that all individual entries were deleted already and I was going to work on the series page only - The Ant and the Aardvark.Oanabay04 (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

they were, but this user (mariannan's sister) recreated some of them today. Ongoing CSDs. Of course feel free to add info to the main article. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanx for the head's up. I was unaware. I would say to simply keep the first episode in the series (The Ant and the Aardvark (film)) and the rest can be redirected.Oanabay04 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I finally got around to cleaning up parts of The Ant and the Aardvark page. Still needs some work, but it is more coherent now and has a picture. More to come.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Cheers cast 1982 bw.jpg

I believe that you have not read the rationale, have you? You failed to contact me about the above image, so I have reverted your images. If you plan to Please upload your image at its own page and creatively type your own words of rationale without interfering my images again, please contact me next time before I permit you to do so. --George Ho (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC) --George Ho (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Ho - few things. 1) remove the accusatory tone or you will be blocked for WP:CIV; a simple "why did you change my image" would have been more civil2)this was not your image, but rather an image that you found that you chose to upload. 3) there is no requirement to contact other users when their image is being modified, but was rather done as a WP:AGF. 4) the new image has the complete first season cast, which is more appropriate for this article. 5) the comment "without interfering my images again" rings of WP:NPA and can lead to your editing privileges being revoked. Your talk page indicates that you have overreaacted to other people's edits on mor than one occasion. By definition, your work will always be edited, so expect it. Thank you.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know; I prefer the pre-"series premiere" cast because... it helps people realize whether Norm Peterson was intended to be permanent or not or maybe the casting of Norm Peterson was still under development. Haven't you seen Season 1? Norm got one leading storyline, and then he was put to background during Season 1. By the way, I have reverted your edits. The "no requirement to contact" doesn't imply that you would go to my images and do something without my permission... I give up convincing you. Just discuss in User talk:George Ho/Mentorship discussions. --George Ho (talk) 20:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Too much detail for an encyclopedia article; more suited for a book on the subjext. Most readers will simply want to see the first season vs a later season (the M*A*S*H does a good job illustrating this. Remember: an encyclopedia article is to give an overview of the subject; it is not intended to go into every little detail. That will bore the casual reader. For info like whether "it helps people realize whether Norm Peterson was intended to be permanent or not or maybe the casting of Norm Peterson was still under development. Haven't you seen Season 1? Norm got one leading storyline, and then he was put to background during Season 1," that is something more befitting of the diehard fan, which is where a "further reading" section comes in. Most viewers will see the first season and witness Ratzenberger and Wendt in nearly all episodes. For that reason, a full season one cast picture is a better representation of Season 1. Please understand that I did not go to your image to consciously remove it, but rather improve it. And again, the only images that are yours are the ones you created yourself. Do not exert ownership on a copyrighted image.Oanabay04 (talk) 20:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
      • ...I give up convincing you something. I noticed that you replaced that image with File:Cheerscast1982fullcastwendtratz.jpg, and I'm pleased that you did not interfere my page. Still, I'm casual, and I'm not bored by the image, but were you? I did not mean to say "my" for images that I uploaded, and I can't say "my" because... well, I sound less smart to say that, thanks to your accordance. Look, I'm not speedily deleting my image; rather I nominated it as "orphaned and replaced" because my language looks more complicated. I tend to forget how to speak civil to everyone because I take my edits so seriously and because I read deletion warnings of your images. To be honest, I did not intend to personally attack you, did I? I was shocked and did not expect such. I stroke my OP message because the tone was addressed; nevertheless, I tend to overreact because I take my edits so seriously without considering civility toward others. --George Ho (talk) 20:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Look at the difference between photos besides Wendt and Ratzenberger. Take a look at Colasanto in "your" image. Is that an image from Season One, Two, or Three? In One ("my"), Colasanto looked average. In a few more seasons, he looked... different. I suspect that the image did not come from 1982. Maybe 1983 or 1984? I hope this is not an attack or anything else against you; I just noticed. Casual viewer wouldn't believe that this image was created in 1982, would one? If you want to change year, try "circa 1983 or 1984" --George Ho (talk) 20:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

• You might be onto something. Colasanto was definitely thinner in Season 3. This photo was taken from the book The Show Must Go On, which dealth with his passing. The caption under the photo said it was from Season 1. To me, it looked like it could have been the same photo session as the one you had uploaded, without Ratzenberger or Wendt. To address the attack issue, perhaps I overreacted as well. Email and online sites lend themselves to misinterpretation.Oanabay04 (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

RIP Davy Jones

		The Original Barnstar
		This barnstar is for gnomish work cleaning up Davy Jones (musician) ~~~~

Nice cleanup on things like dates. I'm sure you'll add citations for the {{fact}}-tagged statements soon. Regards Tonywalton ^Talk 01:20, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanx. Yes, once he passed away, I took a look at his wiki page and realized it needed some clean up. I have all the sources; just need to remember to keep adding them. Thanx again. Such a tragedy...Oanabay04 (talk) 01:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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From looking at the auction and both sides of the photo, it appears that this could be changed to PD-pre 1978. There's a 1938 date stamp on the back and a request to credit the photographer. There are no copyright marks that I can see. I think all you need to do is upload a copy of the back of the photo to prove dating and that there are no copyright marks on either side of the photo. We hope (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

talk about long

Hey dude how did this page get long. it is s cool page Voggyer (talk) 21:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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POV/OR problem edit on Wait Till Your Father Gets Home

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This is fact; not point of view of personal analysis. This has been noted as such. I have reverted your edits.Oanabay04 (talk) 17:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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Back then, I have made a revert war about this image. So I let this image be deleted without one article. Then I requested undeletion under terms that it be used in "Give Me a Ring Sometime". Now I wonder if you approve this. Reading WP:NFCC again, this photo is non-profitable but copyrighted with "All rights reserved", even if the notice is defective. To follow #8, I am using this photo to show the historical significance of promoting the premiere of the show, the result of casting, and the lack of considering more characters, such as Norm and Cliff, to be added in the future. What do you think? --George Ho (talk) 05:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. For the pilot episode only, using the picture with only Danson, Long, Pearlman and Colasanto is appropriate.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Laugh Track: The "Jungle" Lady!?!

This made me crack up a little bit. You never fail to amaze me, Oana. And I think I might know what you are talking about. Douglass used this one laugh in a couple of sitcoms in the mid-60s. I believe he used it in the Gilligan's Island season 1 episode "Birds Gotta Fly, Fish Gotta Talk", when Gilligan unintentionally drops the firewood on the radio. I also believe he used it in a couple episodes of The Munsters (especially in season 2). I may be wrong, but hopefully you can drop me a reply. Thanks buddy! --Evanaeus (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

It IS pretty funny, huh? There were two great articles written by Dick Hobson from TV Guide in the summer of 1966 about Douglass, which comprises many parts of this wiki article (including the "Jungle Lady"). Based on that date, I think you are correct in that "Jungle Lady" is from Gilligan's Island or The Munsters.

Here's the real problem: without actually hearing the laugh or pinpointing the exact punchline wihen the laugh is used, it hard to know exactly who the "Jungle Lady" is. I cannot tell you how many times I get emails from people who say things like "that laugh that goes 'Ha-HAHA-haaaa-huh" or "hi-hul hee hee hoo." It is funny because it is impossible to really tell what they are talking about.

Check out videos on YouTube uploaded by user daffylatke. That's me. I am adding laugh tracks to Pink Panther shorts that used to have them and do not currently air.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Dorothy Kent

Hi. I've just been looking at the article Dorothy Kent that you created last year. It has some curious overlaps with Dorothea Kent - same years of birth and death (different dates), save place of birth, similar career dates. Is it possible that these are actually the same person and that one set of info (perhaps on the Three Stooges website) is wrong? The IMDb actually gives Dorothea as the actress in the Stooges' film. Thanks, Whouk (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Good question. I am not sure. There is a chance. Good find.Oanabay04 (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Oana! I know you meant well, but somehow the "Children's shows" section of the Laugh track article got muddled, and it somehow merged into the "Making Your Own" heading. I wonder if you could find a way to eradicate the glitch. Thanks buddy! --Evanaeus (talk) 20:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Yikes! You are right. I'll fix it, no problem. Sorry about that. Oanabay04 (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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