User talk:Yogesh Khandke/Archive 2

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Ganges

How on earth is a reference undue? Suggest you rethink that one, this is getting silly --Snowded ^TALK 17:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Good question, See wp:UNDUE, An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. How significant is faecal bacteria level at one place,to have it in the lead? Thanks for asking and not reverting right away.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

It is a REFERENCE in support of a statement, it is not text. You really should self revert you know, I'll leave it for a bit to give you a chance --Snowded ^TALK 17:38, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand please explain.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

If you are refering to Green diary source,[1] it is the same source for the next sentence, so removed one occurence. The Ganges ranks among the top five most polluted rivers of the world with fecal coliform levels in the river near Varanasi more than hundred times the official Indian government limits.. Pollution threatens not only humans, but also more than 140 fish species, 90 amphibian species and the endangered Ganges river dolphin., your next edit was ''The [[World Bank]] estimates that the health costs of water pollution in India equal three per cent of India's [[GDP]].<ref name=bharati/> It has also been suggested that eighty per cent of all illnesses in India and one-third of deaths can be attributed to water-borne diseases.<ref>''[2] World bank estimates are irrelevant, for this article which is about a river, and not a general topic such as India, or health in India or disease.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I won't be around to answer you on this, not soon anyways. Thanks again.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Modest Barnstar
		Thanks for your recent contributions! -Mike Restivo (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments/suggestions welcome on India discussion page.

Hi, Does this edit look good? References for Bharat ie India

1. Bharat i.e. India is mentioned explicitly as explanation.

2. realm of Bharat, India

3. Search with name "bhArata"

4. Search with bhArata - "{varSa} n. `" king BhñBharatas's realm "' i.e. India" (Incidentally also gives one amongst many explanation of bharata as Bharata of a Manu (who gave the name to the country Bha1rata) ib. ; of a son of Manu Bhautya Ma1rkP. ;

5. Bharatvarsha i.e. India

My suggestion: India (/ˈɪndiə/) also Bhārat̪ ([ˈbʱaːrət̪] , lit. land that comprises as Bhāratavarsha) (Hindi: भारत; see official names of India) officially the Republic of India (Hindi: भारत गणराज्य Bhāratiya Gaṇarājya), is a country in South Asia.

References from other wikipedia pages for conventions etc.:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#India gives idea about pages in India which can be improved also when needed.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges_River : The Ganges (English pronunciation: /ˈɡændʒiːz/ GAN-jeez;) or Ganga, (Sanskrit: गङ्गा Hindi: गंगा Urdu: گنگا Ganga IPA: [ˈɡəŋɡaː] ( listen); Bengali: গঙ্গা Gônga), is a.... - Notice the "or" word.

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangetic_Plains : The Indo-Gangetic Plains also known as the Northern Plains and The North Indian River Plain is a large... - Notice the "also known as part" for different names based on Ganga and Indian words, for the same.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravalli_Range : The Aravalli Range literally meaning 'line of peaks',[1] is a... - Notice the literal meaning explained along with references.

Some other examles:

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks#cite_note-0 : notice The Liancourt Rocks, also known as Dokdo or Tokto (독도/獨島, literally "solitary island") in Korean or Takeshima (たけしま/竹島?, literally "bamboo island") in Japanese,[1] are ... . - Notice the meaning given also along with words, the names are all English and references of sources for explanation).

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-Alto_Adige/S%C3%BCdtirol : Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol[4] (German: Trentino-Südtirol;[5] Italian: Trentino-Alto Adige .... - Many English names, notice the sites for constitution of Italy, eurostat, and Italian documents referenced for clarity.

7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voblast : - Voblast is a loaned word in English, which means something similar to ... in other words something similar to administrative division but in respective understanding not strictly bound by translation.

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo_(state) - notice "ã" in São. I want to say that putting ā in Bhārat should be accepted, and not avoided.

9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Manual_of_Style_(regional) - it is possible to have a varied site for India related article in separate category in Manual style region wise, so as to have information adhering incorporating Devanagari script, the tendency to view as as lively and not as "things" and so on, or be incorporated in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#India

Thanks..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 19:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

All the best

Hope you come out with flying colors in the personal issues keeping you off Wikipedia and in General too! ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 20:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Need comments on this RFC - [| discussion]

Need your views and comments. One should also go through ['no consensus' discussion]. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 06:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Tibet on South Asia

Quigley seems to want to start a discussion on the inclusion of Tibet in South Asia. Please chime in if you can. You are being informed of this as you took part in similar discussions on Talk:South Asia in the past. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

An Invite to join the WikiProject Education in India

- - - - - - - - - - - - WikiProject Education in India - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hi, Yogesh Khandke, you are graciously extended an invitation to join the Indian Education ! The WikiProject Indian Education is an evolving and expanding WikiProject. We are a group of editors who are dedicated to creating, revising, and expanding articles, lists, categories and Wikiprojects, to do with anything related to Indian Education System(Schools,Colleges and Universities).
As you have shown an interest in article related to Education in India we thought you might like to take an interest in this growing WikiProject.Thank you for your contributions.
We look forward to welcoming you to the project!

naveenpf (talk) 18:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

cleanup of the 4 way test suggestions

the part where you explain the 4 way test could be made a little easier to read by putting it in some sort of table or vertical list instead of one sentence.Thebestofall007 (talk) 06:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Your Wikibreak

I saw your message, good luck and hope to see you back at some point in the future. I've been off Wikipedia (and will continue to be on and off) too for not too different reasons. I still feel that an "on-Wikipedia" solution is still possible and I prefer that approach. However if certain editors-admins do not look at the bigger picture, I have a feeling that the real-world community will get involved and things should take care of themselves. The latest "administrative action" is to block and ban editors who don't want their castes to be labelled as Shudra. No sympathy towards editors who do not/cannot follow WP rules but I'm not sure the administrative action shows any maturity or an attempt to understand the underlying issue. What was the average age of the typical Wikipedia editor? Zuggernaut (talk) 17:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Good to see you back

Hi, Nice to see some reply on India page. It is strange to see hardly any mention of Hinduism and anything positive (including Gupta Dynasty times) on Hinduism on the page, but slowly I am understanding the western state of mind which I have come to know is more about 'civilizing heathens' etc. Was reading some stuff over the internet, which I am sure you would have some idea of, such as 1, etc. Indeed how disappointing and frustrating for Hindus in America when Hindus are insulted in classrooms even.

About India, if you have time, you could go through the discussion India=Bharata & RFC, where for one whole month I presented sources on 'Bharata' (on India page!) as 'English name' of the country! But then, it seems the page is special and has special needs for sources from heathens but casual 'modern english' sources are by default assumed as acceptable. Just my 2 cents, but what a sorry state of affairs on Wikipedia.

I also found some quite amusing links on the internet, full of covert propaganda, 1, 2 etc, and some links explaining the discourse of scorn on Hinduism such as 1, this is well written; some material on voi.org, bharatvani.org/, etc. (which is banned on Wikipedia because it is 'right wing', which means if some Hindu mentions that Muslims/Christians broke temples then it is the Hindu who is fascist not those who broke temples in the name of God), and so on. It is no surprise to me that the whole discourse is ignorant/deceiving of Hinduism though I must mention some things interesting I read somewhere like 'those who live by rules of the jungle, die by rules of the jungle'( from Raamaayana, Raama to Sugriva); 'No one can do aDharma without ultimately paying a price for it'( Krishna in Mahabhaarata), and so on.

The question here is why do all the tantrums which will ultimately be wasted. Just thinking aloud here. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Please read wp:GREATWRONGS. Also, a web-site is not a good source, peer reviewed secondary sources are good sources. You are right, or should I say the rule is of the ghatayantrachakra, what is full is emptied and what is empty is filled. rikt: bhavanti bharit: bharit: cha rikt:Yogesh Khandke (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

"Therefore, considering that work has to be performed with detachment, you perform it, considering yourself a non-agent. This will be declared in the words 'with detachment' and 'which ought to be done" - translation of my sign, as described on my page here. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Param Vir Chakra

	Param Vir Chakra award for defending Ganga and India
	I would like to award you this medal for defending articles from the system. Zuggernaut (talk) 13:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

In vain?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Well it's a start. Future "generations" will try the move again since you've set the precedent and given it visibility. Plus you fractured your wrist :) Zuggernaut (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks nevertheless!Yogesh Khandke (talk) 14:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Soapboxing on talk:India

Hi,

Could you please get some diff.s you mention from archive/history please? That will throw some light on credibility of those calling me soapboxers, biased and ignorant! ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 11:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

It is useless until there is a critical mass, Zuggernaut tried the formal route, it bommeranged on him, wonder how he got back, well you need to read contributions, there is enough evidence of wp:OR, wp:SYNTHESIS, wp:SOAPBOX, wp:ETIQUETTE. There has to be a critical mass first. Also you should be careful of wp:TAGTEAM.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Yogesh. we need a critical mass. For the longest time Brits followed the policy of "Divide & Rule" and ruled India and unfortunately see the same going on now on WP. That there is a deep WP:BIAS on WP is something most people accept. Can having editors from minority demographic groups help improve things - yes. We need to focus and pick the debates wisely and be realistic what we can hope to achieve. Otherwise the term "Hindu nationalist" will continuously be thrown around and people will keep getting away with it.--Wikireader41 (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Support.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree. I don't want to sound pessimistic but getting the critical mass is at least 4-5 years away as the demographics are only beginning to shift. That does not mean we should not try, but, in addition to editing articles, there should be an equal emphasis on contributing to templates, editing Wikipedia policies, guidelines and essays. You can also post at the various Village pumps (see this). Right now, I'm seeing some not-so-nice remarks directed towards ThisThat2011 about his English - such comments should not discourage anyone. There is no need to know perfect English - get a spell checker (install Wiki-Ed), make sure the grammar is reasonable and go full speed ahead. People will often also taunt and bait you so that you make a legal threat or launch a personal attack and then quickly have you banned for doing so. Best thing to do is to stay focused on the content. Another problem reaching the critical mass is because admins like SpacemanSpiff block hundreds and perhaps thousands of editors because they may be "Hindu nationalists". I've just recently created a new template based on the conventional Wikipedia template. It's called {{Welcome-India}} and I've started using it via Twinkle to welcome India editors. I intend to use it to welcome IPs who would otherwise get blocked. You can use it too - takes a minute or two to get the thing working. Zuggernaut (talk) 15:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Another problem I see building a critical mass is the same problem that has plagued India over the millenia. We have multiple Indian language wikipedias including one in Sanskrit !! while it looks good superficially in reality it divides the contributors and takes away the time they could spend on English wikipedia countering the POV pushers from other English speaking countries. I know of some Indian editors who speak write perfect English but spend most of their time on their local language WP. I would much rather see WP invest in translation technology so that anybody can translate the English article into the language of his choice to read it. But I am sure many people in India will not agree with me on that. "Divide & Rule" has been a strategy used by people who do not want India to do well since way back when. so to tweak the statement above by Yogesh we need a critical mass of editors interested in India who want to edit in English.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

@Zuggernaut. somebody should ask Spaceman & RGPK how many "Christian racists" they have blocked or if they think that Racism does not exist among Christians ;). Good job on the template.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes good job on template. I would suggest to have a caution section where one could be suspended for various reasons, and how to positively contribute i.e. writing in your own words, not indulging in debates without secondary sources & not get emotional, etc.

As far as current discussion in considered, I would like to suggest some characteristics that one should be wise enough to have no bitterness regardless of what happens; recognize that there are responsible people in India and in all other countries. Ignoring things like these can lead to arguments where grounds become slippery on this side in absence of these characteristics and lead to Wikibans etc. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

This is good advice and something to keep in mind going forward. Regarding the fixes to the template, I may not be able to do it right now. Feel free to edit it, it's pretty simple and even if something goes wrong, you can undo your edit. If you don't plan on editing it, please watchlist it. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

About sources from my side

Hi,

The only reason my sources (presented here and earlier on talk pages, are ignored on talk:Kurmi is because there are no reasons to ignore it. User:MathewVanitas has explicitly commented, without any sources, that these amount to 'swaying' authorities and so on.

Why would anyone ignore these and call it disruptive? ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 11:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 11:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is crux of this. The sources mentioned by me are explicit about (1)social and (2)legal status of Kurmis as Kshatriyas. When I presented the source, it was assumed that it was so because of 'swaying' of authorities by Kurmi movements, which is incorrect(as per me).

The social status was recognized during 'debate' etc. with notable Pandit's views and reasons were given for varna too. (year 1907)

The official status was recognized by a Governor and there are also reasons given for it by the one who recommended so and accepted. (year 1896)

Both these processes by no way means 'swaying' authorities and mention explicit recognition of Kshatriya Varna. It is difficult to know how these are ignored on the talk page, there are no reasons given other than 'swaying' authorities logic. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 11:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, there are no issues with editing on main page as can be inspected on history page (here), it is talk page that I have presented sources. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 12:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see talk:Kurmi.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Mumbai XI

As per your request on this page:

Wikipedia–Wikimedia Meetup
Mumbai, India

Meetup - 26
विकिपीडिया मिलन,
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4 p.m. ,
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About Laguna Copperplate Inscription

Hi,

Is this Kawi script based on Laguna Copperplate Inscription[ a good source for [User_talk:Thisthat2011#Laguna_Copperplate_Inscription this topic? ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:30, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't know? The wikipedia article has a Roman phonetic translationYogesh Khandke (talk) 16:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Message on my talk page Shivashree (talk) 14:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

3RR

You are in danger of violating 3RR on Talk:Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Please be warned. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sudheendra Kulkarni

The article Sudheendra Kulkarni has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Mark^Dask 12:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Sitush

Sitush get off my back Yogesh Khandke (talk) 16:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice comment

The Yogesh Thanks for the nice message you posted on my wall. I appreciate it. I saw your contributions, and I am amazed to see the great contributions you make. Please continue the good work!

I want to get into the India Project. Do you know how can I get into it? Nameisnotimportant (talk) 02:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

ANI

You have been mentioned at WP:ANI in connection with a complaint initiated by MangoWong. - Sitush (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Dear Yogesh, I dropped in to check your response on my request. I think you are busy. I will wait. Nameisnotimportant (talk) 05:50, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Kulkarni

Apologies for dropping by but please show me the diff where I "implicated" Kulkarni. I ask here so as not to embarrass you in the ANI discussion, which I think is pretty decent of me even if I do say so myself ;) - Sitush (talk) 06:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I have called you benign as AGF, you used the word implicated check earlier diffs. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not mithered about what you do or do not call me. I just cannot find any "implication" anywhere re: Kulkarni. If I have got it wrong then fair enough, but I could do with knowing otherwise the same error could get repeated. - Sitush (talk) 06:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I think its this difference. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 06:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Can't be that: it is correct. You queried the "some years" bit as being weasel, although in fact it was not (you had misunderstood WP:WEASEL). Other than removing that phrase, the same content remains now. You just moved it to a separate paragraph and added an "according to", which is fine but not necessary because the citation is clear enough/says who wrote it etc. If I did libel the guy, which is the only offence at BLP that doesn't apply on other articles, then it is not that diff. - Sitush (talk) 06:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

FYI, here's the diff where you say that I was "implicating" Kulkarni. I still cannot see where I did & have now been through the entire series of edits. - Sitush (talk) 07:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

More clarity here. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 07:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Is it not true? I have just spent the last several hours revamping Cash-for-votes scandal and Kulkarni was named by the committee as being one that the police should investigate further. Furthermore, as the cite on K's own page indicates, he was last interviewed on 14 July. No-one is saying that he is guilty etc but he is implicated in it as per the committee findings. I wonder if this is more an issue of someone not fully understanding the word "implicate"? - Sitush (talk) 08:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(od)I M P L I C A T E DYogesh Khandke (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Yes, he is implicated. The Deo committee implicated him by saying that the wanted another body to do more investigation because they had some evidence relating to him whereas no evidence relating to, eg, Amar Singh. Like I said, I wonder if the problem is a misunderstanding of what the word means. Doesn't matter anywa, I'll change it back, with a better source. - Sitush (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

All along you are asking implicating where, now this U turn. Can't you handle text? (That is a rhetorical question, don't answer that.) Perhaps you need rest.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

That is another attack that I could add to my list, I guess, but it is mild in comparison. You told ANI that, effectively, I had libelled Kulkarni when in fact I had done no such thing. The sooner you realise that this is supposed to be a collaborative environment, the better. Your racist remarks regarding the intelligence of the average US citizen etc is just one of many recent examples of why you simply are not getting how this place is supposed to work. If you cannot work within it then perhaps you should find another outlet. On the other hand, if you wish to stay here then you are going to have to stop slinging so much mud around without first doing your research: in the last 24 hours you have made at least five false accusations. - Sitush (talk) 18:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I was told many times by Americans that Ganga would be confusing for Americans (sentences like if you walk down the streets of xxx an American city, and say Ganga, they would think it was weed), I just carried the logic forward, if Ganga is confusing, Indian would be many times more, and provided evidence for why, ghits galore. See the text at AN/I or implicating Kulkarni on his page. You were careless about a BLP, which is a display of incompetent editing, where is libel?? You dragged me to AN/I, I had to defend. You hounded me to Kulkarni, you got another editor over to the party, you can write five false accusations you can write fifty, can we have diff for one? Just get out of my soup, leave me alone, dont drag me here and there. Please.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

You are really going completely tangential here, accusing others and advising to 'find another outlet' etc. in what yourself understand very well as 'a collaborative environment'. This doesn't look too collaborative. Has he indicated that you should 'find another outlet' etc.? ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 18:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

No, TT, you made the same mistake in another thread. I have not told Yogesh to "go away" or anything like that. I have suggested, politely, that if he is struggling to cope with the way things work here then there are other places that may be more congenial. There are plenty of Wikis out there, for example.

I was careless about nothing, Y. He was implicated and that is what I said. - Sitush (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Kurmi

Please do not make changes at Kurmi which you know do not have consensus approval. If you wish to make such a change, please discuss it on the article's Talk page first, provide reliable sources to support your desired change, and wait until you can achieve a consensus supporting you. I have to say I'm really rather disappointed that you have still apparently not understood Wikipedia's insistence on reliable sources, and have still not understood our policy of consensus when settling content disputes, despite the number of times they have been explained on Talk pages on which you have taken part. I would hate to see you blocked for this repeated failure to understand (which some might even see as deliberately ignoring our policies), but there is a strong chance that is what will happen if you continue. If I can help to explain the relevant policies any further (though I honestly don't know how I can make them any clearer than I have already endeavored to on pages on which I know you have been participating), please do feel free to ask me on my Talk page -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(1)I have made an edit, why not wait and watch what the consensus is? (2)See the lead Other Backward Class has an in-line citation, do you think The Hindu is a bad source. (3)You are involved in content dispute, you shouldn't be threatning editors with whom you have content disputes, please provide a few diffs for all that you have said above. It is 1.30 am local time. GTG.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

By the way, section titles do not carry links. Taking them off. So much for knowledge of policy.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I'm pleased to see you have asked for opinions on the Talk page in an attempt to gain a consensus - that is the right way to do it, and we will hopefully gain consensus one way or the other. As for section titles, User Talk pages are not subject to article policies or the Manual of style, so there is nothing wrong with my providing a link to the relevant article - and you would do yourself a favour by not looking like you are so desperate to find fault with others that you will pick on such utter trivia. Of course, it's your Talk page, so feel free to style the section headings however you wish -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

PS: I am not involved in a content dispute, as I have no preference for what that line should say. In fact, I think your suggested change might be a good compromise, but as you know perfectly well that it is a contested issue, you should seek consensus. And I am not "threatening" anyone, I merely made a civil request that you seek consensus for your desired change, in line with Wikipedia policy. If you believe my polite communication to be against Wikipedia policy, then please feel free to raise a complaint at the appropriate venue -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding If you believe my polite communication to be against Wikipedia policy, then please feel free to raise a complaint at the appropriate venue what is I would hate to see you blocked for this repeated failure to understand (which some might even see as deliberately ignoring our policies) that you said? As an admin you have the power to back words with actions. I have no reason not to take you seriously. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Another point on the trivial: You write User Talk pages are not subject to article policies or the Manual of style, which is incorrrect, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, check the column Wikipedia guidelines, in that lives Wikipedia:Manual of Style, so talk pages aren't exempt from them.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean the link in the blue box to the right of the page? - Sitush (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(ec) Hi Yogesh. It honestly was not meant as a threat, and I really don't want to see any of the current participants in this issue blocked. There really are issues with a lot of India-related articles, and I would very much like to see them resolved - and the best solution by far would be by involving Indian editors and getting as broad a consensus as we can. We have had some blatant and deliberate trolls and sockpuppets blocked so far - I've done some of the blocks myself, and I think that was correct. But I think the few people currently discussing this are genuinely trying to make positive progress - and I really want to encourage that. I will reserve my own admin actions here for blatant abuse, vandalism, sockpuppeting, etc. But I will not use admin tools against people who I believe to be genuine in their aims here, because that would be unethical - a genuine two-way discussion is not possible where one party is holding a sword over the other. So I give you my word that I will not block you or use any admin tools against you in any interactions we have, and I hope that promise will help you to feel you can speak freely and that I will listen to what you say. But I cannot guarantee that other admins will not take action if they see repeated anti-consensus edits being made in these caste articles, and that's what I would not like to see happen. Now, I really am off to bed, so I'll bid you goodnight -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

PS: I'm not going to waste time on arguing trivia like links in Talk page headings. You can either treat what I say in good faith (and reformat your Talk page however you like), or you can try to use it to score trivial points against me. One of those courses of action will not make you look good - I'll leave you to work out which one -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(od)(a)Agree it is trivial (b)Is there anything in the reformat that is pro- MoS, I don't see it. (b)My point is every one is trying to learn the ropes here.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Welcome and happy editing.! Yogesh Khandke (talk) 10:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

That blog link

That blog is making blatantly false personal attacks, so please do not post links to it around the place as it only gives the author publicity (and it might even result in people seeing you as trying to further publicity for the accusations - especially as you awarded a cup of tea to the latest newly-registered editor who posted it!). I have redacted the link in all three places you posted it - Jimbo and Sue can get it from the history if they really want to see it. The way to deal with people making allegations like this is explained at WP:RBI. The rest of us have moved onto the "Ignore" step, so might I please suggest that you do too? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Read my comments I have said people are throwing muck at Wikipedia!!!!! Did you leave a link when you blocked DKBose? I am not an oracle to know the history behind the block if you didn't, if you did hit me with a trout. No Zebedee sweeping things under the carpet are not the way. No Zebedee I don't take such things seriously, that is why I wrote that muck is being thrown at Wikipedia, did you see the tag under the blog, it says WHY WIKIPEDIA IS NOT RELIABLE, which hurts fellas and you guys are no help. The point is that unless certain measures are taken against errant editors, people are going to speculate?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)