Talk:Jefferson Davis

Just found out I’m inheriting a clock that was owned by Jefferson Davis. Are there any photos of him with a clock so I can see if it’s this one? This one has a Cameo on the pendulum and is wooden with gears showing thank you

Interested in finding photos of clocks he owned . I’m inheriting one he supposedly owned thank you 174.25.10.222 (talk) 01:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Seamstress Elizabeth Keckley

"It was reported in the media that Davis had put his wife's overcoat over his shoulders while fleeing." In Keckley's book, Behind the Scenes, she mentions visiting the Great Northwestern Sanitary Fair in Chicago, with a wax figure of Jefferson Davis dressed in the clothing he was captured in. Keckley, who made many articles for Varina Davis, claimed the item was a waterproof coat that she'd made for her. At the fair, the Voice of the Fair newsletter recorded Keckley claiming she'd made the coat while at the fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdPeggJr (talk • contribs) 03:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Remove editorialization

Under "Legacy"; "although the task of defending the Confederacy against the much stronger Union would have been a great challenge for any leader" is editorialization.98.11.8.101 (talk) 01:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

It's referenced to authoritative analysis, and not exactly a matter of controversy - why do you think it's problematic? Acroterion (talk) 01:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Even Gone with the Wind (1936) advocated the idea that the war goals of the Confederates were unattainable, right in its introductory chapters. :

• • "“The trouble with most of us Southerners,” continued Rhett Butler, “is that we either don’t travel enough or we don’t profit enough by our travels.... I have seen many things that you all have not seen. The thousands of immigrants who'd be glad to fight for the Yankees for food and a few dollars, the factories, the foundries, the shipyards, the iron and coal mines — all the things we haven't got. Why, all we have is cotton and slaves and arrogance. They'd lick us in a month." "Dimadick (talk) 08:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Grammar

I am not a native speaker in English, but this sounds wrong:

[…] four medical students who were sons of Confederate veterans and a Catholic nun attended Davis in the Charity Hospital […]

Are there commas missing? If not, could you give the name of the nun who gave bith to four sons?--Zentraler Leser (talk) 13:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Good Lord yes, that is hilarious and appalling! Thanks @Zentraler Leser. I have had a quick go at removing the unintended bizarreness by simply reordering the sentence a bit. No doubt an expert will be along soon and can tidy it up to the highest Wikipedia standards, but at least it no longer suggests that the sister forgot her vows quite so thoroughly ... cheers DBaK (talk) 10:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

This is white washed, lost cause, propaganda

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If I didn’t know better I’d think that Jefferson Davis was just a guy who wasn’t a great president but had a bunch of memorials and was seen as hero by the South. Oh and there were 3 lines about how racist and how he enslaved people (not slaves, you take away their humanity when you describe black people as property). You also always follow the few lines where you discuss slavery those immediately by articles defending him. You don’t touch on any of his vile speeches and writing where he demonizes black people. His killing, torturing and raping of black enslaved people. You don’t talk about how he ripped families apart and sold children. He was a white supremacist who faought for white supremacy. You don’t discuss why all these monuments begin t spring up surrounding him and other confederate leaders as a push back against civil rights. You don’t discuss how black people feel about him when you claim he was a hero to the south. You don’t discuss how Black people are told they will be fined if they try to change names or monuments dedicated to this avowed racist. This was clearly wrote by a right winger who refuses to acknowledge the horrors this man committed. It would be like if the Article about Hitler had 3 lines on the Holocaust but immediately following those lines stated that “some historians believe that Hitler was Anti-Semitic.” This is literally one of the worst pages I’ve ever seen on Wikipedia and whoever wrote this should be ashamed of themselves. Jefferson Davis killed more people than John Wayne Gary yet you talk about him like you are talking about Jimmy Carter and it’s a shame this article is allowed to stay up on Wikipedia. These articles serve to propagate the lost cause narrative and diminish the horrors people like Jefferson Davis did to an entire race of people. Both before the civil war and how his beliefs (and people like him) directly led to segregation and Jim Crow. 70.95.137.92 (talk) 06:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

FAR Notice

I am a citation and source specialist, so I am judging this article based off of my skills. There may be issues beyond those that I bring up. Fails 1b, 1c, and 1d

• Family background is unreferenced
• Childhood needs more citations
• Sourcing is old and relies on sources from Jim Crow era southern universities and neo-Lost Cause sources. I am especially skeptical of ones publish before 1965. The sourcing is poor enough that it brings the neutrality of the article into question.
  • Allen 1999 has a lost cause problem
  • Coulter's work has similar problems
  • Dodd 1907 is probably superseded by later work
  • Eaton 1977 was described as "admiring" by reviewers
  • Patrick 1944's reviews from 1945 makes me skeptical
  • Strode's three part biography is neo-Confederate hogwash and should be nowhere near a serious article about Davis
• The legacy section is choppy and glosses over the scholarly consensus on Davis. Further, without any criticism, it verges on being pro-Lost Cause
• Citation style is inconsistent

-- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 10:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the above - Strode basically worshipped Davis, Patrick and Coulter are badly dated and shouldn't be used, Allen should be avoided (one review on Project MUSE notes that she's so partisan in her writing that he blames the caning of Charles Sumner on Sumner, claims that slave travel passes gave slaves a positive sense of belonging, dances around referring to slavery and slavery, etc), and Dodd 1907 is just far too old to be used. These sources don't belong in a featured article. Hog Farm _Talk 14:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)