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*'''Strong Delete'''. I am tired of removing this category from the pages living persons, as it alleges them of bieng anti-semitic without evidence. Blatant violation of [[WP:BLP]].[[User:Bless sins|Bless sins]] 23:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Strong Delete'''. I am tired of removing this category from the pages living persons, as it alleges them of bieng anti-semitic without evidence. Blatant violation of [[WP:BLP]].[[User:Bless sins|Bless sins]] 23:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:This category in no way shape or form implies antisemitism on the part of the article. You are confusing it with [[:Category:Anti-Semitic people]]; something completely different. Further, a review of [[WP:BLP]] would show that when controversial information is reliably sourced, there is no violation. Verified information that makes people uncomfortable is not necessarily a reason to improperly throw the BLP tag around. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] 06:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''', important and encyclopedic category. Some deniers often try to sweep it under the rug, but this is not a legitimate reason to remove. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 05:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''', important and encyclopedic category. Some deniers often try to sweep it under the rug, but this is not a legitimate reason to remove. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 05:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 06:01, 19 March 2007
March 12
Category:People who lived to be nonagenarians
Category:Derived from Catholic Encyclopedia
Category:Bismarck
Category:Bülow
Antiguan sportspeople
Category:Octave Chanute Award recipients
Category:Forbes World's Richest People
Category:Fictional characters who have committed treason
- Category:Fictional characters who have committed treason (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I don't think this category is useful or serves a particular purpose by grouping these characters together. I think it's categorization for the sake of it. ~ZytheTalk to me! 19:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep absent the presentation of any arguments not offered in the last three CFDs of this category. Otto4711 20:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'd like to see how it would fare with its name and purpose degenerated to a point where any arguments to keep would simply be "because I like it."~ZytheTalk to me! 21:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Can someone explain why classifying a fictional character by the crimes they commit is encyclopedic and not over classification? Vegaswikian 05:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - After reading Vegaswikian's comment, I would agree that classification of fictional characters by action is not useful. (We have also discussed the other interpretation problems in the past, such as the definition of "treason".) Dr. Submillimeter 10:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. The category has POV problems as well. Whether or not a character commits treason may be open to the reader's interpretation. "Convicted of treason" would be different, but I still don't see what the actual benefit of having this category would be. — coelacan — 03:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- keep Categorizing characters by action is very useful real people are classified by their actions fictional people should be as well Irate velociraptor 05:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- You'll find this category doesn't really serve any effective purpose though, whereas Category:Fictional African-Americans does. Jafar, Scar from Lion King, a 24 character and the animated Hawkgirl being examples from inside the category.~ZytheTalk to me! 00:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Unassessed-Class Harry Potter articles
Category:Telecommunication physicists
Category:Cities and towns in the Soviet Union
Category:19th century California attorneys
More fictional characters from states
- Category:Fictional Floridians to Category:Fictional characters from Florida
- Category:Fictional Hawaiians to Category:Fictional characters from Hawaii
- Category:Fictional Iowans to Category:Fictional characters from Iowa
- Category:Fictional Kansans to Category:Fictional characters from Kansas
- Category:Fictional New Yorkers to Category:Fictional characters from New York (or Category:Fictional characters from New York City)
- Category:Fictional Oregonians to Category:Fictional characters from Iowa
- Category:Fictional Pennsylvanians to Category:Fictional characters from Pennsylvania
- Category:Fictional Philadelphians to Category:Fictional characters from Philadelphia
- Category:Fictional Pittsburghers to Category:Fictional characters from Pittsburgh
- Category:Fictional Texans to Category:Fictional characters from Texas
These were not caught up in the demonym-killing Fictional Americans nomination of March 6, so I'm listing them here. Category:Fictional New Yorkers is a bit of an odd duck: It's about the city, but there's no category about the state. So either that should become the state category (and maybe we should merge the two Pennsylvania cities to the state category), or the New York category should become New York City and a subcategory of an (otherwise empty for the moment) New York state category.--Mike Selinker 17:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge all except NY as nominated to clear out the demonyms. Merge the NY cat into Category:Fictional characters from New York City and allow for subcats as needed (from Brooklyn, from the Bronx, etc) in the future. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 00:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Rename the state characters as per nom., NY to NYC as per User:Youngamerican and merge the Pennsylvania city categories to Pennsylvania state. --Rimshots 17:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's kind of a weird position, Rimshots. Why would we give New York City a category but not Philly or Pittsburgh? I think it's either that NYC gets a category and Philly and Pittsburgh keep theirs, or all three get merged to state categories.--Mike Selinker 21:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- The point is that all NY state characters are NYC characters as well. The same cannot be said for Philly and Pittsburgh. Also, the NYC category is huge, quite opposite to the other ones. --rimshotstalk 00:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's kind of a weird position, Rimshots. Why would we give New York City a category but not Philly or Pittsburgh? I think it's either that NYC gets a category and Philly and Pittsburgh keep theirs, or all three get merged to state categories.--Mike Selinker 21:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Famous Hunters
- Merge, Categories should not be named famous, per WP:NCCAT. There are only 2 entries, just upmerge these to the parent. After Midnight 0001 17:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete underpopulated, subjective, and incorrectly capitalized category. Doczilla 04:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete 'Famous' = POV. --Xdamrtalk 22:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as POV. --Rimshots 17:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Freelance writers
Category:Islam and antisemitism
Delete, Category:Judeo-Islamic topics is enough, and this one can only provide POV and edition wars. Barraki 16:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No need to get more specific than Category:Judeo-Islamic topics. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Xdamrtalk 22:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, Has its own article and many linking articles. Separate from Judeo-Islamic topics. --Shamir1 07:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Appears to be a WP:POVFORK of Category:Judeo-Islamic topics. — coelacan — 03:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. War zone concentrated on today's events. Pavel Vozenilek 12:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Delete. I am tired of removing this category from the pages living persons, as it alleges them of bieng anti-semitic without evidence. Blatant violation of WP:BLP.Bless sins 23:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- This category in no way shape or form implies antisemitism on the part of the article. You are confusing it with Category:Anti-Semitic people; something completely different. Further, a review of WP:BLP would show that when controversial information is reliably sourced, there is no violation. Verified information that makes people uncomfortable is not necessarily a reason to improperly throw the BLP tag around. -- Avi 06:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, important and encyclopedic category. Some deniers often try to sweep it under the rug, but this is not a legitimate reason to remove. ←Humus sapiens ну? 05:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. -- ←Humus sapiens ну? 05:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep In the past 40 years, this has proven to become one of the primary areas of anti-semitic development. Categorizing it on its own allows for better and more efficient use of the encyclopedia in studying the phenomena of Islam, Antisemitism, and the interactino between the two. -- Avi 05:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:The Future Is Wild species
Famous and Rare bibles
- Propose renaming Category:Famous Bibles and Category:Rare special bibles to Category:to be determined by consensus
- Nominator's Rationale: Rename/Merge, These 2 categories should probably be merged, but I'm not sure that the name for either is good. "Famous Bibles" is capitalized incorrectly and has the POV word of famous. "Rare special" feels a little better, but still not quite right. Looking for suggestions/consensus here. ----After Midnight 0001 15:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge both to Category:Bible. The current contents of that category seem compatible with the three entries in the two nominated categories and I'm not seeing the need to categorize the three "special" bibles separately. Otto4711 15:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Is a distinction between Category:Bible and Category:Bibles viable...? Regards, David Kernow (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge both to Category:Bibles. I was thinking about this and then I got down to David Kernow's comment. Vegaswikian 22:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete subjective and inappropriately categorized categories. Doczilla 04:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge both to Category:Bibles, per Vegaswikian. A very sensible suggestion. Any specific bibles that have individual articles are going to be famous, rare and/or special, or they wouldn't have articles, so it's pointless to say any more than "Bibles" in the cat name. But I'm sure there are enough notable individual bibles in the world to justify a (simply-named) category. Xtifr tälk 04:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I am unclear as to why there is a need for one category for "Bible" and one for "Bibles." Otto4711 05:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, Category:Bibles could also be the parent for Category:Electronic Bibles and Category:Study Bibles, which probably need a rename for capitalization. Probably a better place to hold bibles that are spread out in several other subcats of Category:Bible. Vegaswikian 08:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Do not merge to Category:Bibles - Many users will get confused between this and Category:Bible. Instead, may I recommend sorting Bibles by century? Dr. Submillimeter 10:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I echo this. This sort of mistaken plural/singular categorisation already causes problems in other areas (eg Category:English law and Category:English laws), we shouldn't be adding to them.
- Alternate proposal - If it's about an edition which produced many copies, then it should be in something like Category:Editions of the Bible. On the other hand, aritcles about individual copies (manuscripts or rare printings) should go in Category:Individual Bibles to match Category:Individial trees, Category:Individual aircraft, Category:Individual angels, etc. Kevlar67 19:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Bible Having looked through the discussion this strikes me as being the best course. Per Dr. Submillimeter the Bible/Bibles distinction should be avoided at all costs.
Category:Gentrified Neighborhoods
Delete - Inherently POV, nearly meaningless. Same objections as the recently-nuked category "cities which have suffered from urban decay." (My apologies if I have raised this dicussion inappropriately; this is my first entry of this type.) Uucp 14:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's a fine discussion to raise. To me, this seems like a reasonable category, though I agree the name is POV. However, I can't come up with another way to say "Neighborhoods which have undergone urban renewal to attract higher-income residents." I guess I'll say keep for now, but I'd look for another name.--Mike Selinker 15:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Subjective and transitory. Just more trouble than it is worth. See gentrification and maybe list more examples there (with references/dates/explanations). Wilchett 15:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If kept it does need to be renamed with a lower case "n" in "neighborhoods." Otto4711 16:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - The phrase suffers from severe POV problems. Dr. Submillimeter 16:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - too subjective. Epbr123 16:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete subjective, pointless, unmaintainable category. Doczilla 04:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as subjective and POV-tastic. Application of the term is controversial even among geographers and planners. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 00:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Propellerhead's Reason
Delete - Most of the articles originally in this category have been merged into the main article. Betaeleven 14:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:The Tracy Brothers
Category:Dam disasters in the United States
- Merge, Only 11 entries here and 9 in Dam disasters, seems like a logical merge Happywaffle 13:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - In the interests of neutrality, and (with no offense meant) what's so special about American dam disasters that they need there own category. Either every country should have their own dam disaster category (which is an incredibly bad idea) or none of them should. The Kinslayer 13:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose Natural subcategory of Category:Disasters in the United States. There must be more elsewhere that haven't been categorized here (or that we don't have articles for due to systemic bias, but that will be resolved over time). Wilchett 16:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - This looks like a logical division for Category:Disasters in the United States, although I agree that Category:Dam disasters otherwise looks too small to divide by country. Dr. Submillimeter 16:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - a nine member group of anything is hardly in need of categorising. --emerson7 | Talk 01:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as cross-cutting subgroup of both Category:Dam disasters and Category:Disasters in the United States. Mike Dillon 01:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- keep for good reasons stated by Wilchett, Submillimeter, and Dillon above. Just because editors have not been properly looking out for other countries is no reason to bring the US categories down to that level. Improve WP, not take it down to the lowest common denominator.Hmains 03:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Keep Category:Dam disasters doesn't need subcategorising but Category:Disasters in the United States does. Epbr123 10:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)- keep Category:Disasters in the United States certainly needs subcategorising. Nathanian 12:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep for reasons given by Mike Dillon. In addition, note that the global Dam disasters categories can be expected to grow -- and will come to need more geographic subcategories -- with the addition of more articles.--orlady 19:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This category serves as logical sub-categorisation for Category:Dam disasters; as more articles on other nation's dam disasters are written, they too may be nationally sub-categorised. I don't think that this is bias, only good housekeeping—eleven entries is a viable number for an individual category in my opinion.
- Keep as a logical subcat without bias. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 00:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - Follows scheme of Category:Disasters in the United States. --After Midnight 0001 12:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Useful subcategorisation as number of articles will grow up. Pavel Vozenilek 12:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Pigou Club members
- Delete - The Pigou Club does not appear to be an actual organization. Instead, it appears to be a group of unassociated people that agree on the use of pigovian taxes (taxes on people or organizations who adversely affect society, such as taxes on gasoline because of its effect on the environment). This is effectively categorization by opinion, a form of overcategorization, and it should be deleted. (Note that the "club members" are already listed at Pigou Club.) Dr. Submillimeter 12:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Media in Capital District, New York
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- Propose renaming Category:Radio stations in Albany, New York to Category:Radio stations in Capital District, New York
- Propose renaming Category:Television stations in Albany / Schenectady / Troy to Category:Television stations in Capital District, New York
- There should be a consistent media market name for radio/TV/newspapers in the Albany/Schenectady/Troy NY area, aka "Capital District". Maybe it could be "(media) in New York's Capital District" instead. --Vossanova o< 18:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - would close as No Consensus, but shall leave to admin. anthonycfc [talk] 06:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
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Category:Novels by character
Some authors share their fictional setting with other authors. Technically that includes every author who e.g. writes D&D novels, or M:tG novels, or anything set on the Real Earth. While Shared universe is a useful article, putting an arbitrary subset of books, authors, characters and objects from several different universes in a category is not helpful. >Radiant< 10:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. That whole "fictional settings/universes" structure needs another looking at as well. Otto4711 12:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - This kind of categorization would be confusing. Dr. Submillimeter 12:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep rename to Category:Shared universes, and restrict contents to categories and articles on the shared portions of fictional universes. I hardly see how this is an authors category. IT's a reasonable subset of fictional universes, where multiple authors contribute to a whole. It should be restricted to the many author hsaring, as opposed to two authors (a writing team) collaborating on a book series (like a husband and wife writing team)... ie. Star Trek, not the Rama series by Gentry Lee and Arthur C Clarke. 70.55.91.139 06:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Malazan Book of the Fallen, to match the title of the series. >Radiant< 10:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Greece: Ski areas and resorts
Category:Fictional school bullies
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Speedy delete as recreation of the deleted Fictional bullies category. Otto4711 04:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment just tag it with {{db}} -- Cat chi? 04:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- User:Shanel speedy deleted the category. It is already orphaned/depopulated. This debate can be closed. -- Cat chi? 05:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:The Sarah Jane Adventures people
Speedy delete - empty category. Otto4711 03:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment its a new show that is to premier soon. That category will be filled soon in a reasonable amount of time. Till then, it may be deleted perhaps. -- Cat chi? 04:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - this TV show is too minor to have a category like this. 'The Sarah Jane Adventures cast members' would be a better title anyway. Epbr123 16:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Based on recent decisions, the cast, &c, should be {{listify}}d rather than categorised. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Per consensus, this is not a valid basis for categorisation. Articlespace cast lists are the most appropriate vehicle for presenting this sort of information. All this is aside from the fact that the category is empty.
Family name categories
Category:Kurdish TV
Kurdish TV is an improper title and should be renamed to Category:Television stations in Kurdish or something along the line. Cat chi? 03:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Kurdish-language television stations (by analogy with Category:Spanish-language television stations in Florida et al). Category:Television in Kurdistan would be inaccurate as several of the stations broadcast globally and are not based in Kurdistan. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Kurdish-language television stations per Angus. -- Mais oui! 09:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:2006 Governors-elect
Category:Dog images
Category:Cnidarian images
Category:Gastropod images
Category:Wisconsin arts venues
Category:Willis Research Network
Category:WikiProject Cryptography templates
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- {{Contentious topics/list}} and {{Contentious topics/table}} show which topics are currently designated as contentious topics. They are used by a number of templates and pages on Wikipedia. rename. >Radiant< 14:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Cryptography templates to Category:Cryptography templates
- Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Category is mainly used to hold article-space templates rather than wikiproject-related templates. While I can see the use of having a category to hold all templates used by a project, Category:Cryptography templates would fit in better with the other categories in Category:Wikipedia templates by subject area. While the two categories could coexist, they would largely duplicate each other, hence this proposal for a rename. Mike Peel 23:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
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- Support, but reckon Category:WikiProject Cryptography templates could become subcategory of Category:Cryptography templates (as well as of Category:WikiProject templates). Regards, David Kernow (talk) 09:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's true, however I can't see the point in doing this - as I say in the nomination, the two categories would largely duplicate each other. More generally, I'm using this as a test case to try to have only WikiProject metatemplates in Category:WikiProject templates, not templates that are meant to be used on articles. Mike Peel 09:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)