Talk:San Francisco International Airport

United Airlines 1920s and 1930s

Old timetables of United (I'm looking at 1935) have airplanes going both to Mills Field and Oakland, so this statement from the article would seem to be incorrect: "After the war, United Airlines took up residence at SFO." -- From the 1935 timetable "All United Air Lines planes in Coast-to-Coast and Coastwise service arrive and depart from both San Francisco (Mills Field) and Oakland Municipal Airports, thus eliminating cross Bay ferry trip." JoeD80 (talk) 21:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

City jurisdiction of San Francisco International Airport

The Airport's zip code is officially considered to be 94128 as stated on their website. Therefore, the airport should be classified as within the city and county of San Francisco, CA and NOT unincorporated San Mateo county. Windows live local also states that the Airport is WITHIN and INSIDE the city limits on San Francisco. Also, city-data.com states that the zip code 94128 is NOT considered to be unincorporated San Mateo county. Therefore information on the article about the location of the airport has been INCORRECT this entire time. Please advise on correcting the article by revising the location, thank you.

City data link: http://www.city-data.com/zips/94128.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.152.220 (talk) 00:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I refer you to here and here. —kurykh 01:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I also refer you to here, written by the City and County of San Francisco, who should be more authoritative on this matter than city-data.com. —kurykh 01:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

See also here, by the United States Geological Survey. —kurykh 01:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• The airport is indeed within unincorporated San Mateo County. The airport is owned and operated by the City and County of San Francisco. The boundaries of California's counties are defined in the California Government Code. The airport is located in San Mateo County, see http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=gov&group=23001-24000&file=23100-23158 and look for section 23138. The California Revenue and Taxation Code specifies that sales tax on jet fuel at SFO is split between the counties of San Francisco (the owner of the airport) and San Mateo (the county which the airport is located in). See http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=rtc&group=07001-08000&file=7200-7212 and look for section 7204.03. Ikluft (talk) 01:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
• Also, in addition to the above, note that zip codes and post office names have nothing to do with city or county boundaries and are assigned for the convenience of the Postal Service. There are many, many cases where a post office name and zip code do not correspond to the "correct" jurisdiction: one example is the community of Kensington, California, an unincorporated census-designated place in Contra Costa County. It uses the postal designation "Berkeley, CA 94708" but Berkeley (and the rest of 94708) are in Alameda County. --MCB (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• I simply ask then, why according to USGS topographic maps of the airport, does it say that the airport lies in San Francisco City and County, not in San Mateo? Map source - [www.TopoZone.com] -Check-Six

You mean to tell me that the USGS themselves are "simply just plain wrong?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.152.220 (talk) 06:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

No, because you're not even using the official USGS maps. TopoZone is not USGS. If you actually read the evidence above, I linked to you the USGS website already, which clearly states that it is in San Mateo County. —kurykh 07:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• How can you explain this: http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=37.618889~-122.375&style=r&lvl=14&sp=Point.37.618889_-122.375_San_Francisco_International_Airport___

The airport is clearly labeled SF from this link. How can this be explained? Also, I mean no disrespect when arguing against registered users here. I am only 21 years of age after all, but I carefully monitor city jurisdictions of many areas in California with precision. And I will continue to remain firm with my beliefs about the city jurisdiction of this airport until I am fully convinced otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.152.220 (talk) 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You keep using private websites. We're using official government sources, from all levels of government and the airport itself. Are you now saying that Microsoft and other private websites are more authoritative than the government on government's own administrative boundaries? —kurykh 16:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Jet Airways service ending?

When did Jet Airways announced that they are ending its SFO-PVG-BOM flight? I still found flights after that date on their website. Cashier freak (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I have not seen any announcement of dropping the SFO route, and I also checked their web site, Google news, and the most authoritative site on route plans, ATW Daily News Online [1]. There was no confirmation of dropping the route, so I removed "ends January 15". --MCB (talk) 05:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

UA SFO-CAN still happening??

Is United still planning on flying to CAN? They have delayed the flight for 1 year due to the rising of oil prices so i am not seure we should removed CAN from the list or leave it as Guangzhou [begins June 2009]? Cashier freak (talk) 04:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Tables

What's with the tables, every airport has it now. I know it is accepted by wikipedia, but personally, I think the old way looked better and seemed a bit more organized. I could be mistaken though. Any thoughts would be appreciated. RK-SFO November 11, 2008

A discussion was started here [2] at WP:AIRPORTS on why it was changed to a table format. Cashier freak (talk) 05:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Is 710 N McDonnell Road considered to be on the airport grounds?

Singapore Airlines says its San Francisco City Office is at 710 N McDonnell Road. http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/company_info/contact.jsp Is this on the airport grounds? WhisperToMe (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is. Search on Google Maps and you'll see who else is there--airport authority and other airlines' offices. HkCaGu (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Dublin route

For the moment, Aer Lingus are only cutting the Winter schedule. Although it was said that there was "no absolute guarantee" that they will operate the summer schedule next year, for the moment it is operational as it hasn't been cut. Therefore a "seasonal" tag is the best indication. FF3000 (talk) 21:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:San Francisco International Airport/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

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Delist--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I am reviewing this article for GA Sweeps. Comments forthcoming.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This article is in serious danger of losing its GA-class rating for the following reasons:

• There are a few problematic references.
• There are numerous paragraphs of claims without any citations. This is by far the most likely cause for the article to be delisted. Without citing the fact to reliable sources, they are not useful to the reader because he/she can not confirm them. The current standard of WP:WIAGA requires facts to be both attributable and verifiable.
• Could a single unifying hatnote be used. Three lines of hatnotes is disconcerting.

• Two lines is better than three.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

• WP:ALT text needs to be added to the images.

  Done, double check my wording if you have the time. -Optigan13 (talk) 23:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

• It seems that you missed one according to the text checker. If the template is not yet Alt text compatible, leave a note on the talk page at WP:ALT and they will almost surely clean it up within 24 hours.

Would an unknowing viewer see "The building of an airport at night with a large central building with several lit spokes of the terminals." I doubt anyone would know it is an airport and the adjoining buildings are terminals. I think all of the alt text should be rewritten with Wikipedia:Alternative_text_for_images#What_not_to_specify in mind.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure, I'll just leave it to someone more familiar with alt text on any future development. I've left a note on {{Infobox Airport}} to adjust for alt text, I didn't see anything in the documentation for it. I'm done working on this article for the time being. Can you please re-rate it according to general 1.0 standards when you close this. -Optigan13 (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

• The article includes lots of text in the form of bulletpoints and one-line paragraphs. This information should be expanded and/or merged into other text.
• I am currently unable to check the disambiguation links for problems due to what is probably a temporary glitch, but this should also be checked and addressed as needed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

• Refs - I've corrected all the dead links and formatted the ciations. I'm not sure where to get United Airlines timetables from the 1930s for the history section so I've left that alone, maybe a more convenient reference could be used. The line about the June 28, 2008 Cargo plane fire in Accidents and Incidents is dated and needs updating. I'll see if can get to some of the other issues later. -Optigan13 (talk) 01:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added references for the timetables, using images hosted by www.timetableimages.com. I suspect those images were the original sources for the article prose since the only full scans of United Airlines timetables for the 30s at that site correspond exactly with the dates in this article. Elsewhere in the article I ran into a broken link that apparently was working only a month ago based on the Retrieved date of Aug 2009, so I tagged it until I have time to find out where the moved paged is. I also added a few references in the Accidents and Incidents section. --Itsfullofstars (talk) 20:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)