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Mitsubishi Outlander "good additions"

This edit simply took the page exactly back to where it was at 19:27, June 26, 2010. If it was intentional it was unhelpful, and that is why I felt and still feel it merited a full revert rather than picking and choosing among various changes made over the last three months. There were no "additions," just a revert. IFCAR (talk) 07:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi IFCAR, I did not realise that 인간극장 had restored a previous version of the article. To me, it appeared that the user in question had added some additional information (while unjustifiably replacing/rearranging images at the same time). In spite of this, I feel that the additional infobox content is useful and should remain. I don't know why this was removed in the first place. OSX (talk • contributions) 10:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Chariot

Thank you for your work, long overdue!  ⊂ Mr.choppers ⊃  (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Fiat Tempra in the movie The American

I've re-added the part that you erased. I think it's important to cite the fact that the Fiat Tempra has been used in a major Hollywood production. If you want me to adjust the form or the position just tell me, but that part must stay. Thanks, Funzi Funzi159 --Funzi159 (talk) 10:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:WPACT. OSX (talk • contributions) 11:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I've read the convention. Even though I generally agree, I think in this specific case the thing must be cited, I only want to know how. We can remove the Tempra in media section, but somewhere in the article it must be written that the car was used in a major Hollywood production. Let me know. Funzi159 --Funzi159 (talk) 12:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Many cars play a role in film. Unless the film had an verifibale effect on sales or reputation (for example, the Mini in the The Italian Job), then this information is generally excluded. The fact that the Tempra happened to be shown in the film is not all that notable. Should we also list every building, every brand of mobile phone, et cetera that is featured in every film? OSX (talk • contributions) 12:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

You are right, but this is the very first time that a Fiat Tempra is used in a major role. It's not to cite every stupid appearances, but in this case is part of the movie, and I think it's important for the car to be linked to the movie. Funzi --Funzi159 (talk) 12:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

If you leave it in the article, I am not going to revert it back. It is not an article that I am terribly interested in; I only reveretd the edit because it came up on the automobile watchlist. WP:WPACT is what we go by, and it is highly likely that another user will remove the film reference some time in the future. OSX (talk • contributions) 12:41, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I will work on the thing. For the moment maybe I will remove it by myself. I think it's only matter to find the subject a right position, or to prove the interest of the thing. --Funzi159 (talk) 13:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

PRC "China"

You are quite correct in saying that the PRC is commonly known as China. However, as to your reasoning in which you say that nobody spells out USA= United States of America or "the Commonwealth of Australia", it is quite incorrect to apply those situations to the PRC/ROC argument, as those countries' titles are not politically ambiguous, whilst the ROC/PRC are. As per WP:NC-CHN#Political NPOV, I only wanted to apply the term PRC in the first instance, so it's absolutely clear that they're talking about the PRC, whilst leaving the remainder of the section as it is, per common name.--The Taerkasten (talk) 12:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Model info in short

I have a specific question: would it be ok to use a wikitable to display model/engine info instead of Infobox vehicle? For example, the Grandfather clock here. ResMar 02:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that information is too detailed for the infobox. A separate table is best. OSX (talk • contributions) 03:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Great, I'll use that, then =) ResMar 13:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether the end result will be Mercedes-Benz or History of Mercedes-Benz: it all really depends on what length it comes out to. Looking at the current FA (which I see is your work ;), it is mostly "History." Speaking of which, the Daimler website has a treasure trove of material regarding the company's history. ResMar 15:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Q: Is the subdivision of its vehicle line into 3 separate templates proper? ResMar 17:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Every other automotive template follows this standard, except for template:Holden timeline which I organised into a single 1948–present timeline. Feel free to do this with the Mercedes-Benz template. OSX (talk • contributions) 22:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:Auto/WP:Animation

Hi there, I saw your query to Tim about the WP:Automobiles watchlist getting film articles too. I've seen it in other autogenerated lists too. I ***think*** the problem was due to a mistake someone made to the {{WikiProject Animation}} template where they put {{{auto}} into the template code (missing a } at the end) so the template read it as {{auto}}, which has recently been created as a redirect to {{WikiProject Automobiles}}. Why it is still an issue a week later I don't know, but I do know that updating transclusions can take a looooong time around here - the software ain't that quick. I've just commented out the {{auto}} redirect to {{WikiProject Automobiles}}, so it might resolve itself sometime soon. I don't know who to ask if it doesn't fix itself... bugzilla? Village Pump (Tech)? The-Pope (talk) 12:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for that. The film articles still show up in the watchlist, but as you said the software is slow. I guess we'll just have to wait a few days and see if it catches up. If it is not resolved within a week or so, then someone at the Village Pump (Tech) may need to be mustered in to help out. OSX (talk • contributions) 13:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I've been involved with the DASHBot Unref BLP tracking this year, and if you change a project banner template, such as when they moved the banner from {{Football}} to {{WikiProject Football}}, it took over a week for the transclusions to all flow through properly. They still display correctly on the talk page, but if you look at the "what links here" or use AWB or a bot, they are just lost. Very strange. The-Pope (talk) 13:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed the same thing with navbox templates. When I removed the "Lexus RX Hybrid" (Toyota Harrier Hybrid) link from Template:Toyota cars it took at least a week for the links to disappear on the "what links here" page (which included every Toyota vehicle-related article listed). OSX (talk • contributions) 13:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Compression ratio

Hi OSX, today you reverted an unexplained edit to Compression ratio. The original edit changed two numbers in a table.

I noticed the original edit but when I investigated I convinced myself that the changes were correct. A little below the table there is the following formula:

${\frac {P_{2}}{P_{1}}}=\left({\frac {V_{1}}{V_{2}}}\right)^{\gamma }$

The two P terms represent the pressure ratio. The two V terms represent the compression ratio. Please check the numbers. I think you will find the original edit changed two incorrect numbers and made them correct. Dolphin (t) 07:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. IP editors often change numbers as vandalism, so it is often difficult to distinguish between bad and good edits, especially when unexplained. Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 08:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

MacBook Pro edits

Hi OSX. You recently changed the numbering format for pixel resolution, RAM speed, and everything with 4 digits on the MacBook Pro page. The added commas are unnecessary and, in my opinion, make the spec charts look worse. Then, you cited your reason for reverting my reedit with this reference to the Manual of Style. But, the Manual of Style states that it doesn't matter whether you delimit numbers with four digits. Here is what I found: "Numbers with four digits to the left of the decimal point may or may not be delimited (e.g. 1250 or 1,250)." Since it doesn't matter whether we delimit the numbers, all it really comes down to is which format we prefer. Please let me know what you decide. Horserice (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I prefer "1,250" over "1250" for consistency. If the rule is to include a comma after every three digits, why exclude four digit numbers form this rule? If the number is "12,500", it is incorrect to format it as "12500". OSX (talk • contributions) 01:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry; I undid your reversion before I saw this, so if you want, I can revert myself. I didn't see any five-digit numbers in the article, so I am holding back on reverting right now, but I would have no problem undoing my undo. Sorry again for the confusion, Airplaneman ✈ 02:25, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

We had a similar discussion at WP:Automobiles a few years ago. Automotive magazines often follow a common (but not universal) convention to exclude commas from numbers (i.e. "4750 mm" as opposed to "4,750 mm"). Because general-purpose style guides tend to include these commas, we decided that it is best to follow the Wikipedia-wide convention of including a comma after every three digits. OSX (talk • contributions) 04:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Chevrolet Cruze

I have a question and comment on one of your recent edits. For the Cruze page, shouldn't the image for the (top) lead infobox be of an actual Chevrolet Cruze? You reverted an edit and placed a photo of the Holden Cruze instead. I understand they are rebadged cars, but since the article is speaking mostly about the Chevrolet badged version, wouldn't it be proper to insert the actual Chevrolet model as the lead image? Besides, there are other images of the foreign badged cars throughout the rest of the article. DeWaine (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

It is a matter of debate. If two photos of equal quality were available, I would definately say, "use the Chevrolet version". However, as "...the article covers all versions of the vehicle. We have Chevrolet Cruze as the title for reasons of simplicity, not because we want to exclude the Holden." OSX (talk • contributions) 15:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I suppose it's subject to debate. Although the Daewoo Lacetti Premiere has it's own article page, the Holden Cruze does not. Or at least not yet. DeWaine (talk) 16:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

hello - back on

Hello OSX

You may not remember me but have returned to editing wikipedia articles after a long break. I am happy to provide you with minor help regarding any articles you might suggest. At the moment I am working on three articles Cadillac Fleetwood, Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham and HSV Senator (Yes I know these articles are in bad shape).

My main focus will be the HSV Senator article as I believe it needs a major overall because to be honest with you it is in quite a bad shape.

Thanks Senators^{Talk | Contribs} 04:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi and welcome back. I will be happy to help you out with suggestions for the HSV Senator article. Regards, OSX (talk • contributions) 23:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi I probably don't need any suggestions I know what is wrong with it. I am also looking at other articles for examples. So thanksSenators^{Talk | Contribs} 06:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Hyundai Elantra pic

Just a question, why did you not consider the picture that was recently put up on that page in the infobox as of equal quality to the picture you reverted to? Gateman1997 (talk) 03:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

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The MD image is less sharp, has rain droplets on the hood/bonnet and roof, has blue foam side protectors on the doors, and has a less attractive background (the Y2 also has a better contrasting background). Also, the MD image is repeated again at the bottom of the article in the MD section (it is never beneficial to repeat the same image twice). OSX (talk • contributions) 04:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

While on the subject, I reverted Shimman lasted effort to change the image (with the lack of discussion) and took it to 3RR Noticeboard (diff incase the link doesn't work) but now I've got a bulling Admin and I really couldn't be stuffed to deal with them now. Now off topic, I've uploaded a few photos of the 50th Anniversary Falcon (sorry they are not the best but was in the area as I was photographing flooding near-by [which I've yet to finish processing]). Bidgee (talk) 15:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I am tired of arguing this as well. Thanks for the 50th Anniversary Falcon images. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth

I've seen your comments at Talk:Plymouth so I thought you might like to opine at Malvern, Worcestershire#Suggested page move? Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Awards list

Hi OSX, since you helped with the related GA review, and are very familiar with WP:CARS guidelines, I'd appreciate your advice on the recent proposed deletion of List of awards won by the Lexus LS. That list article was created following a 12/2006 GAR, where it was suggested. However, I realize that it has gotten quite long, despite a focus on facts and not praise, and perhaps should be summarized back at the main car articles. Thanks for any guidance. SynergyStar (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I've noticed that you have already performed the merger—which was probably the best way to go. I would avoid the "awards" section in the Lexus LS article and list the awards given to each generation in their own generation section.

"List of awards won by ..." articles are contentious because without a corresponding, "List of criticism received by ..." one could point out the possible POV issues. These criticisms should probably be included alongside the awards. Here is Australia, the motoring media love to criticise the "sub-standard" handling of LS compared to the S-Class and 7 Series. Another common complaint of the XF40 is the similarity of the interior design to the Toyota Camry (XV40). Maybe this kind of information should receive a mention to balance the lengthly awards list. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks OSX for the advice, many good points to consider. Thanks again. Regards, SynergyStar (talk) 18:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

u dot s dot

Well yes, it came as a surprise to us all that CMOS did a complete back-flip on this: before you had to insert the dots; now they're evil, so to speak. It's about time. The question is whether it was a sudden push or had been building in their committees and boards for years. There has been great awkwardness in, for example, "U.S. and UK participation", and "... of the U.S., including the USA and the USAF" (USA standing for US Army)—and in the dropping of almost all other dots in US-related acronyms years ago, including the country-name abbreviation "USA". The tension is also present in modern-day American usage: many Americans have been dropping the dots in "US" in their casual writing, and many, although probably not as many, in formal writing. WP supplies good evidence of this. Tony (talk) 05:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC) PS And let's not forget the tension between the American and Canadian usage of dots in U.S. and the near-universal US in the rest of the English-speaking world. Tony (talk) 05:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Move request. Your opinion welcomed

Here: User talk:Catabv23/Renault Symbol —Preceding undated comment added 05:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC).

Mazda Titan

Re this, [1], you said yourself that you added the content by machine translation, which we don't allow, and have made no effort at all to improve the article yourself after listing it after PNT, please revert yourself--Jac16888^Talk 23:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Yet again, please revert yourself, this is getting quite annoying--Jac16888^Talk 00:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

No, it is better than having no information. You have reverted my edit and removed perfectly good and legible content with it (such as section generation titles and images). I can understand almost everything that is written there. It is however, worded awkwardly due to the translation. I will fix it up when time permits, but in the mean time there is no need to delete perfectly good information. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. The article as it stands is a complete mess, and much worse than a stub, legible or not. Adding machine translations to articles is not permitted, and by using another wikipedia's content without attributing it properly you have broken copyright policy. If you want to work on the article, do so in your own userspace, you cannot expect other users to clean up after you--Jac16888^Talk 00:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

timelines

Considering your excellent effects on the Camry timeline, I thought you might like this template: Template:Timeline of Apple II family Do you think it would be worthwhile to change the Toyota timelines to be similar?  Stepho  (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I personally think the current timeline looks a lot nicer, but those Apple ones have the years split into quarters. I guess it comes down to how much you value such date precision (to be honest, I think half-years are enough). Can "narrow-" and "wide-body" be incorporated into the style utilised by the Apple articles? OSX (talk • contributions) 10:33, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I had a quick look at the source code of the template and the years can be divided into arbitrary amounts - eg half years. Just thought that it might make maintaining our timelines easier because we only have to enter start/end dates instead of counting cells. I have some time coming up for the Christmas holidays, so I might create a throwaway template for the Camry and experiment a bit.  Stepho  (talk) 11:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Plastic window-covers

I was noticing in a couple of recent photos cars with large plastic pieces over the side windows, such as in this Hyundai Excel. They seem like aftermarket accessories to me, but I was wondering if they're in fact OEM equipment in Australia. I'm also slightly curious what they're used for. IFCAR (talk) 12:53, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

They are an after-market accessory. It is so you can have the window down some what (few centimetres) and it is meant to prevent rain/wind from coming inside the car (though they are called "wind deflectors") while driving (IE: meant to help prevent the windows from fogging up), some also have a tint. Bidgee (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, often they are in fact OEM equipment (see: Hybrid Camry Australia website, third and fourth thumbnails). They originate from the days when air conditiong was not standard equipment; very few 2000 onwards cars have these fitted.

They are used in other countries as well, especially those with warmer climates (including the United States: [2], [3]). OSX (talk • contributions) 13:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

You'll see the style Toyota calls "slimline" on that link in the U.S. with some regularity; I'd just never seen anything as big as on a couple of recent Australia photos. IFCAR (talk) 13:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

We love to be different. ;) Bidgee (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

MINI (BMW) de-capitalization

Hi OSX,

I am writing out of concern for your decision to revert my 19 October 2010 revision to the Mini (BMW) page. If you recall, I had cleaned up the article by carefully replacing all references to the new MINI with "MINI" instead of "Mini", yet leaving all references to the Classic Mini as "Mini". Your revert comment stated: ""MINI" is not an acronym, it is just a stylisation, and thus, we do not follow it.".

I fully admit I am not as well versed in the policies and procedures set forth by Wikipedia as you may be - however I believe, at least in this instance, that this decision does a disservice to owners of both types (classic and new). Every single reference to the new BMW-manufactured MINI put forth by the company themselves uses the capitalization. All major MINI enthusiast websites respect this distinction and always refer to the new ones as MINI, and the classic ones as Mini.

I believe this was not just to "stylise" (i.e. "look cool"), but rather to deliberately and distinctly separate the new ones from the classic ones. It is also a sign of respect, as a large percentage of Classic Mini enthusiasts are not happy with the direction that the marque has made since BMW took it over. It's a very clear separation which the Wikipedia page only serves to confuse. Most new members in the MINI community are unaware of the deliberate distinction and usually need to be informed, and pages like Wikipedia's exacerbate the issue.

Perhaps the rules are so strict that this is beyond discussion. However, if it is possible that an exception to the "non-acronym" policy can be made, I believe this is a worthy exception. I have been a very active member in the MINI community (in the USA) in the last 6 years (since I bought my 2005), I am very much aware of how it functions, and I did not make my edit arbitrarily. After all, the proper name of the brand is MINI. Why aren't we simply respecting that? EdgeDC (talk) 18:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I understand your concern but I am simply following the guidelines expressed at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks). "MINI" is a word, and not an initialism or acronym, so it should be written as "Mini". I cannot grant an exception to this rule; it may be possible to gain an exception by consensus to do so if you bring up your case at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (trademarks). Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 23:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hybrid and Performance pages

Hi! Rembering the huge discussion over weather or not to mearge the Toyota Camry and Camry Hybrid articles, I've seen more pages for hybrid versions of regular ICE vehicles. So far I've seen pages for the Honda Civic Hybrid, Honda Accord Hybrid, Ford Fusion Hybrid and the Ford Escape Hybrid. Should these me merged with ther relative pages?

On a similar note, I've notices many pages for in-house tuned versions of cars, like the Subaru Impreza WRX STI, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and the Proton Satria R3 and I was wondering if they're there because they're treated in the same light as aftermarket tuned versions of cars, like the Shelby Mustang or Saleen S281. Thanks --Pineapple Fez 21:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I do not regard those other hybrid models any differently to the Camry Hybrid. The main reason why I have not initiated merger discussions for those articles is due to the opposition that would come as a result (like what happened with the Camry Hybrid).

Regarding tuned versions of cars (in-house or otherwise), such as the Shelby Mustang, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX (and WRX STI), these should again be treated no differently. The 2007–present Lancer Evolution X has much in common with the 2007–present standard Lancer, but would share very few if any components with the 1992–1994 Lancer Evolution I. Lancer Evolution I and Evolution X are related in name and concept only.

My intention at Talk:Toyota Camry Hybrid was not a vicious attack on hybrids, but a goal to separate vehicles by generation not powertrain/trim level; this is what differentiates these cars from the run-of-the-mill varieties. Thus, the current generation Lancer would have its own article, with a section dealing with the Evolution. In other areas, I believe that the contents of Holden Ute should be moved over to the respective Holden Commodore articles. The pre-2000 utilities and the Ford Falcon utilities do not have separate articles, and this works very well. OSX (talk • contributions) 22:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that. But shouldn't we do something about it? I assumed that the Hybrid Camry discussion covered all articles of a similar nature, or at least hybrid versions of ICE cars. Having gone through all that and just merging the Camry articles makes the other articles seem random and like they don't abide by the standards. If there isn't really a standard for this yet, one should be proposed. --Pineapple Fez 00:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and I am happy to do something about, but I am not all on my own. If you are prepared to vigorously support the change, then I am with you. The Camry Hybrid merger discussion did set a precedence, but Mariordo and company will never allow other articles to be merged based on that discussion. It appears that he also has little regard for the Automobile WikiProject conventions/procedures, as seen in comments such as this (regarding an excessively lengthy list of independent fuel economy figures by motoring journalists).

We will need to initiate a multi-page merger discussion, probably at WP:CARS (the hub for all major automobile-related disputes). I'd probably take it one step at a time—that is, just discuss hybrids first, then after that discussion is finalised start a new one based on performance cars like the WRX.

In addition to Honda Civic Hybrid, Honda Accord Hybrid, Ford Fusion Hybrid and Ford Escape Hybrid, there is also Hyundai Elantra LPI Hybrid. So far, we have purged "Toyota Camry Hybrid" (now a part of the Toyota Camry (XV40) article), "Lexus RX Hybrid" (converted into the Lexus RX (XU30) and RX (AL10) articles), and "Lexus LS Hybrid" (converted into the Lexus LS (XF40) article).

Question: what is your stance on EVs such as the Mitsubishi i MiEV and Toyota RAV4 EV? OSX (talk • contributions) 01:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I am definitely willing to help you! This kerfuffle must be fixed. As for the Mitsubishi i MiEV and Toyota RAV4 EV, I think they should be merged in theory, but these articles, mainly the i MiEV, have a lot of important information which I think would be omitted in a merge. I can live with it though, as long as the section is relatively large. On that note, I feel the same about the WRX STI and Lancer Evo. --Pineapple Fez 04:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, if you wanted to initiate the discussion at WP:CARS based on the above, then let's see what response we get. I will then notify all editors who voted in the previous discussion at Talk:Toyota Camry Hybrid. OSX (talk • contributions) 10:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. I also added a few more cars to the list. --Pineapple Fez 20:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I've started a case-by-case discussion. --Pineapple Fez 01:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Ford Ranger move

Hey, OSX, I was just wondering if there was a discussion on the Ranger move? I can't seem to find one. Thanks.--Ridge Runner (talk) 06:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

The move was based on the precedent set by Ford Falcon and Ford Fairlane, and also the convention listed at Wikipedia:CARS/Conventions#Disambiguation. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Nissan Leaf GA review

First I want to tank you for contributions in the Leaf GA review, and ask you to continue working on the reviewer's request. I just skim through the improvements you made and I believe you have already address several issues ( but please do not forget to flag the reviewer on the changes made here:Talk:Nissan Leaf/GA1). I already posted a notice in the WP:CARS requesting help from editors as a second article I nominated is now up for review and right now I simple do not have the time to face both reviews. As you can see in the Talk:Plug-in electric vehicle/GA1, this one will require a lot of work. I will discuss first with the reviewer some structural issues to decide if I drop the PEV nomination and also about the timeline for the improvements, since there is a time limit to complete the changes.

Considering the bad timing of these reviews(from my POV) + the merge discussion, I would appreciate if you reconsider your vote to my request and grant me the hold for discussing the PEVs, PHEVs and EVs articles later. I think there are plenty of articles in the list to chose from so we can begin in January the discussion of the electric-train vehicles. I really would like to devote enough time to improve my arguments for not merging several of those articles (some might even require just a change in the article name). Thanks again. --Mariordo (talk) 00:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I will continue to work on the Leaf article and will make a start on the Chevrolet Volt article if someone starts to review that article. However, my interest does not extend to the plug-in electric vehicle article, but I am willing to give a second opinion in the review.

I stand by my decision to oppose the "motion of order", but I will make sure none of the mergers proceed until after January 10, thus giving you a chance to improve your arguments. OSX (talk • contributions) 00:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the courtesy. Also I would like to clarify that only the general PEV article is up for review now, not the Chevy Volt. But now that you mentioned it you can see in the history that I have been improving it for several months now, I cleared it of a lot of flop after it was launched to the history section. Notice also that there is a lot of editing traffic (which as you know if controversy begins automatically fails the GA review) so I am waiting for the launch hype to settle to go for further cleaning, copyedit and updating before nominating it for GA too. You are welcome to contribute.--Mariordo (talk) 01:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. I would appreciate your contribution at the section I opened at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Nissan Leaf compact or mid size?. Thanks.--Mariordo (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

McMansion

I removed the photo you added, not because there was anything wrong with it, but because its inclusion on that page and with that caption would slap a pejorative label on the fully-identified house of a private individual. If it weren't for privacy/neutrality concerns it would be easy to fill the page with hundreds. Basically, to include a specific house you would have to find somebody calling that specific house a McMansion in print and then put in a full reference so it's their judgment not ours. Xanthoxyl ^< 16:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of "Ford Motor Company"

Nope, what happened is that the "invert selection" button caused IE8 to hang (I didn't have this problem with IE7). Restoring the page with Firefox seems to have done the trick. There's still more work to do there. Graham87 05:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Toyota dates

Thought you might be interested in these links for checking Toyota dates.

1. My own site: http://members.iinet.net.au/~stepho/crllaprd.htm
2. Farpost: http://jnc.farpost.com/data/framno/longindex.html  Stepho  (talk) 16:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Was this Mariordo?

This autoblog green article talks about the discussions to do with merging articles. --Pineapple Fez 22:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha. OSX (talk • contributions) 22:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Mac=Mariordo?

See the block here: Sockpuppet investigation

User:Mac also first introduced the word Glider to the Mini E article here. Mac is a primarily Spanish speaking user with a love of electrical cars, which sounds a lot like Mariordo. I am a little loath to have found and then shared this sort of info, but am quite disgusted with Mariordo and others' complete disregard for conversation and unwillingness to listen. Me and you may not entirely agree on which articles should be joined together (Mitsubishi Celeste!), but at least we're both willing to listen to the other side. Furthermore, I would never trade my supporting vote for yours, and I feel that you wouldn't either. Apologies if I'm rambling...  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 07:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, a minute of further research eliminates the possibility of mariordo being Mac's sockpuppet. Both hold spanish language accounts, Mac since 2003 (!), and mariordo since waaay before Mac's being banned here. Nonetheless.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about Mac. The deeper I dig into Mac (and other similar sock puppets, including BennB4, Nrcprm2026, Nopetro), the more similarities I see. Please see: this ANI thread for more information. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

FYI see here.--Mariordo (talk) 16:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

AN/I thread

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WP: Cars talk page

The following is part of my comment at the WP: CARS talk page regarding setting up of an 'Electric car' project or task force, quote: "BTW, OSX, you either take direct quote from me that can support your statement: 'this project has any vocal anti-green members as [...] and North wiki claim', OR you carefully review everything I said and revise your statement above accordingly. This surely does not make a good impression to me of your behaviours." May be you have to remind me where did I say there are 'anti-green members' in WP:Cars. I hope you can clarify and make a speedy resolution. ---North wiki (talk) 16:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Specific reference to you has been removed. The fact that you have taken offense to this shows that you don't consider this to be an anti-green push, so thank you. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Vaucluse

IMO, your edit summary rationale here is attractive; but the argument is unpersuasive:

• See Flemington, Victoria#Demographics?

Explanation: The image shows representative buildings which are presumably conventional in a part of Melbourne I have never visited.

• Compare Geelong#Geography + Grovedale, Victoria#Postwar housing boom?

Explanation: The image shows representative homes which are presumably characteristic of a part of Victoria.

• Additional "food for thought" — Park Slope, Brooklyn#External links

Explanation: The external links feature random images of buildings in this New York neighborhood, presumably with the intention of conveying something which words along cannot achieve. and :fr:Habitat japonais?

IMO, the edit by Timmccloud is credible and appropriate here. --Tenmei (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I don't consider it unpersuasive at all. Also, I am not sure what you were trying to achieve with those links either (sorry). I said in the edit summary, my concern is that by only showing images of heritage listed homes, et cetera, we are not accurately illustrating the article. Now obviously we can't include a photo of every building, but if we can at least attempt to show a somewhat broader cross-section, I think that is better. If only mansions or heritage listed homes can be shown, where does the leave us with the newer suburbs? In Sydney, the suburb of Kellyville is almost entirely comprised of new development houses, none of which have heritage value or are "notable" aspects of architecture as standalone dwellings. But this is the predominant architectural style, so do we just not include any photographs illustrating this article? With Vaucluse, should we only show manors built prior to the 20th century? If this is some kind of policy, it needs to be changed. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

My intention was simply to suggest plausibly helpful links.

If this modest effort was ineffective, please give it no further thought. --Tenmei (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

This is becoming an edit war, you have been reverted multiple times and still persist. Please stop, or your activity will be reported to the adminstrators. 1) This should be discussed on the article talk page, not in your private pages, I will be copying this conversation and continuing it there. 2) Thank you for your fine photographs but Wikipedia is Not a forum for your photography portfolio, and wikipedia has Notability Guidelines for inclusion into articles - your examples aren't notable. Further discussion will be on the article talk page. Timmccloud (talk) 23:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Timmccloud, your rudeness and act of bad faith simply made my day. I reverted once—yes once—not "multiple times" as you suggest. If you are talking about this edit as well, then take a look at the IP involved, 137.82.200.96 who is a vandal who has went through and mass-reverted several edits for no reason. I reverted your edit once, certainly not edit warring, but wait you reverted twice. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Mazda 121 DA

I agree that the "DB" quote on that webpage is wrong - it doesn't seem very reliable altogether. AFAIK and as far as I can tell, all Mazda 121/Ford Festivas were built in Korea and never in Japan. Unless you have contrary information I am going to go ahead and change it. Best,  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Daimler roadster

Hi, Sorry I missed your edit to the image in the article Daimler Conquest. I'm writing to tell you the car in this picture is a Daimler Roadster and very far from a Conquest Century Coupé. Its about two feet lower and as you will have seen even less easy to look at than a Dart or SP250. Both (Roadster and Dart/SP250) were promoted as apprentices' projects that were 'so good we just had to put them into production', ha ha. I think there may first have been a version of the roadster without tailfins or gaps for air-conditioning but maybe that (no tailfins) was just the way the apprentices wanted it and the somewhat arrogant MD of the day over-ruled them. According to Daimler Century by Montagu and Burgess-Wise the Roadster engine was the Century later put into the Conquest so I will accept the description/name for the car and the image of Daimler Conquest Century Roadster but not 'Daimler Conquest (Mark II) Century drophead coupe' which may or may not (I can't tell) belong to the image of the green and white car above the Roadster. OK if I change the caption to the Roadster image back to what it was before you changed it? Have a very nice Sunday and please find some more interesting pre-1960 Daimlers for Commons. Thanks Eddaido (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)