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Category:People by district in Norway

Category:People by district in Norway was just created and has thus far been populated with two sub-categories. What immediately troubles me about these categories is that they are being inserted between municipalities and counties. That isn't good, is it? __meco (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes people are associated, or associate themselves, more with districts than with municipalities and counties. I guess districts are more suitable to indicate that a person belongs to a certain sub-national culture. Such an association should be verified by sources, preferably sources with a focus on that persons association with a district. It may happen that a journalist mentions in passing that a person comes from a certain district without implying that this is significant. Districts are also not strictly an intermediate level between counties and municipalities, as districts don't necessarily follow the borders of either. This is also a reason why I think district association should be sourced explicitly. Ters (talk) 06:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources about people's feelings about belonging to a district? Unrealistic. Won't happen. I created People from Valdres back in the day when we didn't have categories for rural municipalities - it should be deleted now. Geschichte (talk) 10:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian districts are comparable with, for instance, Spanish comarcas, many of which have categories. Note that in most cases the area of a given district is very precisely defined: Valdres, for instance, consists of the following municipalities: Nord-Aurdal, Sør-Aurdal, Øystre Slidre, Vestre Slidre, Vang and Etnedal. In cases like this there is no controversy about whether a given municipality belongs to a given district or not. And if a district with a precisely defined area fits entirely within a county (for instance, the entire territory of Valdres belongs to Oppland), I don't see what the problem is. On the other hand, if we have a case where a district consists of municipalities in two differents counties, it obviously can't be used as an intermediate category. Monegasque (talk) 11:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Besides, the idea is to use the district category merely as a container category. As all Norwegian municipalities will no doubt soon have a category of their own, the text which one will see at the end of a given article will be "People from [Municipality/City], not "People from [District]" or "People from [County]". The district or county categories will be used in the article only in cases in which the municipality or city cannot be determined. These cases will be very few. At present, there are no articles about persons in the district categories. This means that they now function strictly as container categories. Monegasque (talk) 12:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm no expert om districts, but many districts I relate to either encompasses parts of municipalities or crosses county borders. These are Glåmdal (not a traditional district, but has become more important), Vinger and Solør. The latter two divide Kongsvinger municipality according to old municipality borders. There are also varying views about what falls within the district of Ringerike, two of which are mentioned in the article. Finnskogen may not fall within this definition of district, but is also an important geographic region people are associated with. Recently, a Norwegian television show explored a celebrity's roots in that region, not his roots in a particular municipality (it's name was only mentioned in briefly). It is also not difficult to find sources about what people feel about belonging to a district if they really feel attached to that district. There will be interviews about it, or mentions in biographies. It may be more difficult finding good definitions of where district boundaries go today, but that goes beyond just the categories. Ters (talk) 05:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Photo request

Hi! For those of you in Bodø, I have a photo request:

• Widerøe headquarters - Langstranda 6 P.O Box 247 8001 Bodø Norway

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 23:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

AfD of Norwegian diaspora

I have nominated the article Norwegian diaspora for deletion - the article is a list that synthesises various sources that use the notion of "norwegian" in incompatible ways either as citizen or as a person claiming to have Norwegian ancestors - this creates a false number of how many Norwegians are living outside of Norway and an image of an actual Diasporic community that is not supported by any sources. Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norwegian diaspora.·Maunus·ƛ· 16:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Whaling in Norway

Deleted sevral poorly cited claims in the opposition section. Whale song, whale-poo that fight global warming and cells in whales that match human cells. Within these claims there were also sevral other claims about barbarism and opposition to whaling from counties that were not quoted from anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truls86 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Ferking?

Hi there guys. I've been trying to verify the material we have at Ferking and Ferkingstad, and I'd appreciate any help I can get. Those two articles, and some related information in Augvald and Karmøy, were all added in 2007 by an editor who doesn't seem to have communicated their sources very well. The only sources listed in the two articles are either not reliable or not verifiable, Google web search results only show unreliable sources or copies of Wikipedia, and neither Google Scholar nor Google Books seem to know anything about either the person or the village. You would expect the village, at least, to have some web footprint even if not in English. Basically, does anyone have any sources to verify that the subjects of these articles actually existed? I am far from an expert on Norwegian topics and do not want to jump right to calling them hoaxes, but I can't find anything verifiable at all. Any assistance is appreciated. — Gavia immer (talk) 23:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

By clicking on the coordinates in the article, I was able to find Ferkingstad in Google Maps so the village is no certainly verifiable, though not necessarily notable. I also found a few more web pages about the legendary king in Norwegian, but none provide anything beyond the references already added to the article. I guess better sources for this must be found offline, not online. Ters (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Naming discussion at Norwegian diaspora

There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Norwegian diaspora#Renaming about a proposal to rename the entry. I'm notifying this Wikiproject since the entry is a part of it.Griswaldo (talk) 18:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Scandinavian diaspora

For your information, Scandinavian diaspora has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 04:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

"Was established as a municipality"

Currently, the majority of articles on places in Norway that also happen to be a municipality contain the following text in the lead section: "[place name] was established as a municipality on 1 January 1838 (see formannskapsdistrikt)". I find this to be a bit misleading, as that date refers to the creation of the system of municipalities (previously, Norway was instead administratively divided into parishes). However, the current text can make it sound like the settlements in question were established in 1838.

For example, the article Tønsberg says in the second paragraph of the lead: "The city of Tønsberg was established as a municipality on 1 January 1838". This makes it sound like Tønsberg was founded in 1838, when it has in fact been a city since the Viking ages, with full trading rights as a city for many hundred years prior to 1838.

I believe that this information, related to a technicality about the organisation of administrative districts of Norway, should not be so prominent in the lead section of every article on a municipality. Instead, this fact should be explained on the Municipalities of Norway page, or alternatively, mentioned in a paragraph about the area's history, instead of in the lead. Theis101 (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I think I mostly agree, but for municipalities it is nice to mention how far back it is dated. While Tønsberg as a "city" dates back to the time of the vikings, the administrative unit which is the basis for the modern municipality is probably not as old. There is also at least one case where the municipality is older than its namesake and administrative center, through a split and remerging. Maybe one could change the text to read "The modern municipality was formed on the basis of [place name] parish (or whatever) on 1 January 1838"? But for Tønsberg, 871 should be mentioned at least briefly before this. Ters (talk) 15:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

TFD:Former possessions of Norway

Template:Former possessions of Norway is being considered for deletion. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. Ben MacDui 12:48, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Help needed please

I need help over at no:Mal:Flagg/Storbritannia please. The flags for the civil and naval ensigns need to be added. I've tried my best to code these, but it's not working for me. Template:Country data United Kingdom will show what I am trying to achieve. Suggest alternative names of civil and naval are used. I've already coded the no:FLK «Maudie» page with the flag, but it is showing as the Union Flag and not the Red Ensign. Thanks in advance, Mjroots (talk) 10:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps try no:Wikipedia:Torget? You can write in English there. --Eisfbnore ^talk 17:48, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Discrepancies between English and Norwegian articles

Prisoners at Bagram: Does wiki-Norwegian have any articles about the individuals? (Maybe wiki-English has got it all wrong?)

I ask the question here, because of fear of being blocked if I ask the question on the Norwegian website (A number of contributors to the norwegian Bagram-article have been blocked after adding external links.) If there are any such articles, then I would like to extract any info there, and improve our articles.

--Corner benchmark (talk) 11:11, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Prisoners, as of April 2010

(Norwegian search)/Ali,S., (Norwegian search)/Ahmed,F.

Corner benchmark (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Former prisoners

(Deletion debate)/Binyam Mohamed (Comment:The Norwegian article was deleted after administators closed the deletion-debate after 2 days and 2 hours. Maybe we are wrong for having the article, IMIO.)

Corner benchmark (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Notability (here) of Norwegian articles?

Claes Olsson

Claes Olsson/Claes Olsson . Is this bomb victim more notable than any other ISAF-soldier who was killed by a bomb? (No point in any of us writing an article, if it will be deleted here, anyway?)

Corner benchmark (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Article has interwiki to Norwegian, but not in reverse

Papercutting