User talk:Jenova20

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You found my talk page so feel free to leave me a message! I'm dyslexic so if i don't do something properly please let me know without biting. Thanks!

Don't tag leads for references

The lead section is only a summary of the article. --Niemti (talk) 13:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Then perhaps you could point me to which source(s) backs up the claims made that the Tyrant are "the most recognisable and popular creatures of the franchise" and "even gaming in general."

I've had a quick look but not seen any source for these.

Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

If it's reference 27 it would not substantiate either claim as it's is a list of what they consider the 10 best Resident Evil bosses, of which a T-002 won. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure. It's and (that's not even including "Nemesis"). All of RE bossses are creatures (mutants of some sort, mostly undead). --Niemti (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll take your word on that since i can't open the links at this minute. Thanks for the reply ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)That might be because this page doesn't have {{reflist}} or <references/> here. Place it and we will be able to read it. Or you can remove the <ref> tags and simply list them. (I came to this discussion, because I saw ''Cite error: <ref> tags exist, but no <references/> tag was found'' at the end of this page in red.) Ignore this if the problem is already solved···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 11:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't open the links because i was using my phone and didn't want to open multiple tabs at the time, not because there was no references section on this page. If that was the issue then i would have opened the links at the article page. Thanks for your concern and stalking. Have a nice day ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

:)  (not the first time in history, I am sorry for my foolishness)···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 18:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

No need to apologise, you didn't do anything bad and you tried to teach me something. Very friendly. Have another nice day ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. (But I wasn't teaching, I thought that the display of "Cite error:" was missed or was unnoticed.) Wish you a great day! See you ···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 12:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The LGBT Barnstar
		Jenova20, I award this LGBT barnstar to you for all the work you've done to improve gay studies on wikipedia with little recognition. Perhaps you should work to take Birmingham Gay Village to GA! Rcsprinter (natter) @ 10:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that Rcsprinter =D

I'd love to get the gay village to GA but it will take me a lot more work. You're free to ever help out or just give constructive criticism

Thanks again and have a nice day/evening ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

AN/I discussion

Hello, I am sending this message to all the people I judge to be principal actors in the incident being discussed at this AN/I subpage. The discussion there has already become a bloated re-run of the dispute between you all at the original article talk page. You have made your points there and at AN/I and no further good can be gained by continuing to rehash old arguments. As an outsider, I have to say the only impression this continued argument gives is of all parties being unable to resist trying to get in the last word. Not every post by the "other side" needs your response. Your dignity and the cause you are arguing for, suffers with every further response. Please leave the AN/I field free now for other editors to respond. Please note I am leaving the exact same note on a number of people's talk page - not everybody has been equally active so please excuse me if you feel my tone here feels undeservedly critical. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 11:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Completely understandable. Thanks for the wake up call ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

And thank you for taking my note in such a friendly way! Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 12:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Any time! I need to get back to actual editing anyway. The ANI consumes too much time to follow. Have a nice day/evening ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Jenonva, that's a good path to take. If this pattern persists as some suspect it might, an RFC/U is the next step. Hopefully it won't come to that. Ta.   little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  19:44, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

It's looking like a time wating exercise specifically to get a no consensus declared from where i'm sitting. Not really my concern though, i've said my bit. Thanks Rosetta ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Because

Hot chocolate

Because I thought you might be tired of tea, and a hot drink is always nice while one is poring over the dictionary. (Sorry, couldn't help myself.) In all seriousness, thanks for making WP a less stodgy, more interesting, friendlier place. Rivertorch (talk) 06:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

You deserve more credit for that then me Rivertorch. But thanks, it is much appreciated ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:14, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Clio

It is for linking to a specific section in the article only by adding the anchor into link instead of the section title. In case the titles of the sections might change in the future, linking to the anchor will still bring the screen to that specific section. See Template:Anchor. BaboneCar (talk) 13:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh that's very useful! I'll put it to use straight away! Thanks a lot ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:20, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

A trainstop present for you!

		The LGBT Barnstar
		Jenova20, I see you doing consistent good work and putting up with some professional POV pushers. You hold your ground and act diplomatic even when provoked. Thank you for the good work you do. Keep it up. Cluetrainwoowoo (talk) 04:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that means a lot to me ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 00:25, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey I read your feedback and Im very thankful for it but could you consider looking at my titles? I need to know if Im to also put the subtitles after each title in unison? CFyre (talk) 15:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look for you. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:06, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh and one mor thing, every time I seem to save a change in my sandbox when I go to something else such as advice or to read another article when I return its like nothing every changed ?-( CFyre (talk) 15:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Did you save it or use "show preview"? Saving should be instant, while show preview is just a preview. Is that what you mean?

Also i'd recommend you name the article Dave Barry's Bad Habits: A 100% Fact-Free Book when you do create it as that title is already redlinked on the Dave Barry article. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I rewrote your lede paragraph but ultimately your article should look something similar to this. And rather than just say who reviewed the book, you could also go into more detail over what they said about it. What's good, what's bad, what did the reviewers say which stands out? Thanks and good luck ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:28, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Thanks for the help You simply made it simple for me and you deserve this. CFyre (talk) 15:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, you're very welcome! I noticed from looking through the Dave Barry article that he has wrote a lot of books, although most of what we have on them are low quality stub articles. Hopefully you can change that =P. Good luck, and let me know if you need anything else! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I probably could I'm a big Barry fan :-). Also I'll keep in touch. Thanks again for the help...CFyre (talk) 16:28, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Any time, you know where to find me. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm Done

What up! hey I finished and I need somebody to look over it...(preferably you). I know that there isn't much information but its a book and I just finished and its not like I'm going to write a college essay on each differents story. I put the sub-titles in so will you look at it and give me some feedback on my talk page? Thank You. CFyre (talk) 19:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Well a list of chapters and subchapters isn't really useful for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is more about the reviews of the book, what it's about, how many copies it sold or is expected to sell. Anything controversial? Anything odd? Chapters and subchapters are just filler and won't survive long. More in depth coverage for the reviews too, rather than one line answers, if you can. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 21:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Birmingham Gay Village

Hi, not at all. There's no promotion going on there in the slightest. It's just a short collection of statements of pure fact which some members of the community feel creates a monopoly over the the gay village for a certain person(s) and hands control of what is supposed to be a "community" to that person. I'm in no way trying to do anything untoward with your page. I just think that people should be aware of the (whole) facts and draw their own conclusions. Declaring that one company owns over 50% of the capacity for the whole area and also controls Pride isn't a conflict of Interest I don't feel, but matter for the public interest.WomblingAlong (talk) 17:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree completely it's a monopoly, but it can't be added to the article like that because it appears promotional. And i would caution against adding it to the article at all because it's irrelevent unless there's decent coverage in the media to reflect those concerns. This is an encyclopedia after all and not a blog for our own opinions. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:21, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Rude remarks. Civility warning

It appears you disagree with my wording {{for|British motor insurance definition|Total loss}}, so you changed it to {{for|common British motoring definition|Total loss}}. This is just fine, however the edit comment "(reword - less shitty)" was uncivil as you did in this edit. Thank you, Cantaloupe2 (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not a good summary but it's not uncivil. I never insulted you, i just didn't feel that wording was accurate at all. And considering you want to merge the article into Total loss my frame of mind was that you weren't even bothering to look into the actual meaning of Write-off (whether that opinion at the time was right or not), just to make Total loss look better.

I agree it's not a good summary but please don't go throwing civility accusations around to detract from a busy moment i had and had to rush an edit summary. Thanks and apologies ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Mobile Beta testing

Hi Jenova20,

Thank you for signing up to test the experimental features we're building on the Wikimedia mobile Beta site! We just released a few new prototypes you might be interested in trying out. Please keep in mind that since the Beta is a testing ground for early stages of feature development and design, you'll definitely encounter bugs and unpolished software – your feedback will help us understand what areas we should focus on as we build these out into real features :)

To explore the Beta, visit any Wikimedia project on one of the supported devices/browsers and opt into Beta (tap on top left navigation menu > Settings > Opt in to Beta). From there, you can:

• Log in (via the link in top left navigation menu)
• Browse some articles and watchlist/unwatchlist them
• Check your watchlist (via the link in top left navigation menu)
• Edit
• Add images to articles without any images in the lead

(Again, keep in mind that everything on Beta is highly experimental, so check to make sure that your edits/uploads went through successfully!)

Please leave any feedback you have for the mobile team on the mobile Beta talk page on Meta. Let us know if anything is especially confusing or strange, and feel free to give suggestions for improvement.

Thanks again! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Reply

Apologies if this seems like a lot:

Example 2

Example 1

Example 3

Example 4

• Tested first on articles Birmingham Gay Village and Citroen C3 Picasso where i'm greeted by a message to upload the first image to the article...despite both having one in the infobox and many more throughout.
  • This changed after i started expanding collapsible sections, which was unfriendly and only works the second time you tap them, even though they light up each time.
• Tables on many articles i checked (including my talk page) are concealed by blue boxes marked "table 1.1" plus. It appears the software classes anything other than text as a table to hide by default but strangely doesn't include thumbnail images. This means it hides the infobox, tables, and also those little media boxes ("Wikimedia Commons has media related to..."). Example 1 below
  • Tapping these table boxes loads the image only, rather than displaying it in the article. This also means it treats an infobox as an image and only shows it if you tap the corresponding blue box which leads you to it.
• The space directly after a reference is non-existent.
• There's no lines in tables, which is a bit awkward to look at as there's only colour boundaries if the cells are coloured. Example 2 below
• Rowspans in tables are invisible for some reason or the table lines not being visible makes the table disfigured. Example 3 below.
• The Euro NCAP tables (See C3 Picasso for example) display as blue "table" buttons, but with a surrounding grey barrier as wide as the page...can't explain that one...
• Not sure if this is the software or the browser but i can zoom in with landscape or portrait mode, but can only zoom out in portrait.
• The File upload wizard offers me the chance to "add the first image to this article" like any other page. Example 4 below
  • Tapping on "click here to start the upload form" loads the desktop version, rather than keeping me in the mobile site and so i am unable to upload images with the mobile site to En.Wiki.
• Main page looks good but displays only the featured article of the day and news, no "On this day" or "Did you know" or "featured picture". I don't know if that's how it's meant to be.

Thanks for the oppurtunity to complain about your hard work! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 23:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

No, this is great! :)

We're definitely aware of some of these issues (wrinkles in the way the photo upload feature displays, redirecting to desktop bugs) and are working to fix them. The table collapse button is actually not a bug but a very early exploration of how to deal with huge tables and infoboxes, which render poorly on a mobile device. It's helpful to hear your expectations for how this should look and feel; we're going to be putting some UI/UX design love on this soon. Check back later next week – the upload & redirect issues should be fixed by then, so you can actually test out uploading.

Thanks again for the detailed feedback and bug reporting! If you're interested in helping out with mobile QA, you're welcome to leave browser/device-specific notes here for the regular non-Beta mobile site. We need more people with a high attention to detail like you to get their eyes on the product :) One last thing: if you're an IRC user, you should come join the mobile team channel, #wikimedia-mobile ^connect – we hang out there throughout the workday (Pacific Standard Time) and are happy to get visitors. Cheers, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll try and leave you detailed reviews weekly as this one.

Thanks for the reply ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:15, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the vandalism revert!! You're the best!! CTF83! 11:08, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

No problemo. Have a nice day! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:09, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Your signature and user page is so pretty! I just felt the need to say this. Till 11:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I can't take credit for the signature but thank you very much =D always nice to meet a fan.

Have a nice day Till ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:29, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Epic userpage

	Wow.
	This may be the gayest userpage I've ever seen. And I mean that as a wholehearted compliment. In comparison, you make my bright pink edit notice look as straight as Chuck Norris. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 11:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Glad you like it =D

Your pink notice is very nice! Someone may borrow it later today...

Have a nice day Francophonie&Androphilie ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:34, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Haha glad you like it. Well, I'm off to steal a bunch of your userboxes. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 16:59, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Midlands Zone

The article Midlands Zone has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The article does not claim notability and cites the subject as its only source.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Noiratsi (talk) 09:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I've moved it back into user space until it's ready.

Thanks for the notification ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey Bighead

That was no instance of me advertising actually it was a big mistake on my part. What you don't see is that I'm new to this whole wiki account thingy. And btw I'm not fooling around with any of the pages its just that I didn't understand the whole concept. Not all the people are as fast as you Einstein :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anukshan Ghosh (talk • contribs) 11:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

What were you trying to do? ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:58, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

edit the page on ceramic technology — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anukshan Ghosh (talk • contribs) 09:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Did you manage it? Also try adding ~~~~ after you post because it adds your signature. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:42, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

If you're interested...

I was in a User talk:Drmies where one problematic user (who, actually, before the first of his five blocks, I believe was told he might want to ask you for advice on something or other) tried to defend some bonehead edit of his by pointing out that there are no pictures of gay oral sex in the fellatio article. Thinking I'd be all clever and such, I went over there to find the best place to put one up, and - surprise - there was nowhere to put one up. There's a passing mention to homosexuality in the context of the Kama Sutra, and the rest, while not explicitly heteronormative, simply fails to mention the demographic who care about this topic the most. Anyways, I was wondering if you had any suggestions for how to introduce some diversity of content to the article - I mean, I feel like tacking on a "Fellation among gay men" section would be a bit... segregationist... but I'm not sure if the article needs any sweeping changes either. Thanks. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 17:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Well it's certainly encyclopaedic. You could always be the bold one to add some info there, and if anyone reverts, then just discuss it. You don't need a picture though, just because there's a heterosexual one there. And i doubt you would easily find one anyway.

As a coincidence i've just started a side project which is similar at User:Jenova20/List of gay sex positions...It's a very limited work atm though...

As always, let me know how things are going and good luck. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 17:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I meant more along the lines of adding text - and seeing, when all is said and done, whether there's need for a picture. Suppose I'll just put it on the to-do list. And haha I noticed that project... is it open to outside participation, or do you wanna get it off the ground on your own? — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 17:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Add what you like to it =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 17:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Transphobia in the media

If you're looking for more material for the article, Leveson's full report (around page 660) is very critical of press coverage of trans issues. Sceptre ^(talk) 01:50, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I remember seeing something about that in the news but had forgot about it. Thanks a lot for not only reminding me, but also recommending a page number =D

Thank you very much and have a nice Holiday! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:57, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Editor Review

Hi Jenova, thanks very much for your editor review request. I would be delighted to give you a review but at the moment I am very busy. I will see what I can do after New Year. But for now Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Christian1985 (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

No rush. Thanks for accepting, and have a nice Christmas and New Year ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you very much ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reviewing

How much time is needed to review a request for being a reviewer?--Pratyya ^{(have a chat?)} 05:44, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean an Editor Review or The Permission? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Drink + proper party attire

Happy New Year!

Thanks for helping to make Wikipedia a more cordial, congenial place on the Web. I look forward to working with you in 2013. Rivertorch (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I hope you have a happy 2013 too and look forward to working with you again! Stop by any time ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Jenova20

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Thanks Pratyya. I look forward to working with you in 2013 and hope you have a happy 2013. ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Citroën C3 Picasso

Hi, Jevona20, I'm beginning the copy-edit for the above article that you requested at the GOCE Request page. Please feel free to contact me, and to correct or revert my changes if I'm doing something I shouldn't. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Does the article need a separate section for the South American 'Aircross' models? It looks as though two articles have been stuck together. Can this be integrated into the main article's text? The Aircross/Reviews section needs to discuss more than two reviews, though I realise that language barriers will cause a problem there. I also found several unreferenced passages which I've marked with {{citation needed}} templates. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

In both cases of these citation needed tags the information is cited by the next citation, at the end of the very next sentence ([167] and [173]). Now if i reuse them twice i think it would look like over-citing since they're so close anyway.

And going back to the Aircross - it is a vehicle created from minor changes to the Picasso, and sold as a different vehicle. The Automobile Wikiproject regard it as a trim and say not to separate it. I have purposely combined what i can into the main article, but the rest is different or exclusive to Latin America. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The language barrier is a minor issue, the real issue is finding anything out there about the vehicle as it doesn't appear popular at all. I named the reviewers solely because i have only found a few decent reviews, which are different enough to feature. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining; I'll check and remove the 'citation needed' tags, and will try to integrate some of the Aircross text - probably later tonight. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I've made the argument that every sentence should be cited, even if it's the same thing. If you choose not to do this, it's helpful to leave hidden comments so other editors understand that the material is cited. Ryan Vesey 19:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I've removed all except one, which is in 'Aircross'-->'Advertising'. Sorry for my misunderstanding, Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there's any more I can do at the moment, so i'm declaring the copy-edit Done. Please feel free to contact me about any issues arising from it. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 21:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the effort you put in ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries; good luck with your planned FA nom. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:44, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I've reworded the section in question. Can you lemme know what you think now? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad that you found a suitable source for this part of the section, it sounds like a really cool advert. The sentence "The advertisement was shown in English in the French market, to the song Somebody come and play by Joseph J Raposo." could be rephrased as "The advertisement was shown in the French market using the English-language song "Somebody Come and Play" by Joseph J Raposo." or something similar; using 'to' sounds a little strange to me. If the music was the only English language feature of the ad, it might not need to be remarked upon, but if there was English narration it would be unusual and I think would warrant a mention. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 23:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I've changed it to your recommendation. Thank you very much for your hard work ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Wording changes to Mail Online

Hi Jenova20! I recommend making a new comment on the talk page and/or DRN discussion with a quote of your new text and explanation of your changes. That'll make it easier for other editors (including me) to respond to your text and reasoning. Dreamyshade (talk) 10:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer the DRN in that case where a neutral wording can be decided with or without Collect. The talk page is being dominated by Collect to make excuses for the Mail, which aren't supported by the sources. In exchange he wants any controversy removed which is supported. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:59, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Putting it on DRN makes sense to me since that's where my most recent proposal is. It's easier to compare multiple versions if they're all in the same place. Dreamyshade (talk) 11:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Okedokie. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:NPOV is absolute policy. Your desire to imply that MO lied about the article being online for 90 seconds is belied by the PCC report itself - and trying to make that implication is contrary to Wikipedia policy. If you wish to change the policy, it is editable by you if you wish. And note that I am not removing the Amanda Knix story, so drop that Bull**** now, please. Cheers. Collect (talk) 12:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

My "desire to imply?" Read the sources you (Redacted) and take it to DRN, rather than here. And please point to where i said you were trying to "remove" the story also. I said something along the lines of whitewash i believe. There is a difference. I would suggest that your last reply is as full of inaccuracies and puffery as your preferred wording on the matter also. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

"Puffery"? If you check my edit history, you will find I remove "puffery" wherever it is found. An accurate dispassionate relating of facts is neither "puffery" nor "whitewash." And note that Dreamyshade and I agreed on such a dispassionate relating of facts. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you also claim to be a defender of NPOV, but then remove half an argument, leaving a highly POV claim in its place...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

And you thus assert the same about the person who wrote the material in the article - Dreamyshade? As he wrote the version you now abhor, I think you should try finding some way to attack him (or her). Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:04, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

This is not Dreamyshade...It's you...It's pretty obvious too as your name is displayed prominently. Now, anything else you have to say i'll read on the DRN or Mail Online talk page. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Pratyya ^(Hello!) 13:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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