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Nomination of List of Guantanamo Bay detainees accused of possessing Casio watches for deletion

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• Challenger's concern was over the title of the image. I think their edit summary was neither fair nor useful. When a New York Times reporter says he got the image from the Taliban photographer who took it the doubts were pro forma. I considered restoring the image but I found another non-free image, that I used instead. Geo Swan (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Sabir Khan (disambiguation)

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Notability of deaths and dead people who become notable after death

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Nomination of Tarek Dergoul for deletion

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Hi Geo Swan. I am deleting this file today. The fact that the man is missing and arm and toe can be adequately described with words, so this image fails our non-free content criterion # 1. -- Dianna (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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I requested userification. Geo Swan (talk) 01:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of List of cancer victim hoaxes for deletion

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Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to go through the E-Cat nonsense and reply on my talk page. I have written the following as a response to the ban page, and doubtless will be breaking various Wikipedia rules with it, even if I'm allowed to post it.

I understand what argumentum ad hominem means. AndyTheGrump denies it, but he still has not answered the various points I brought up, in particular the referenced errors about Rossi believing nickel and hydrogen combined to form copper, the cherry picked quotation from the stale dated PopSci article and possibly libelous defamation of his character, suggesting he is a criminal and a conman. Instead he goes after the messenger saying that I am clueless, a sock puppet, have threatened others (which I haven’t), that I should “go away and learn about how science works,” asking I have some connection to Rossi or the testers (I don’t) and accusing me of using the talk page as a soapbox.

My major complaint is that the article is not neutral. Give mainstream views prominence, but at least give something from the other side. Don’t cherry pick the most negative bits from the articles quoted as was done for Featherstone’s piece, giving an erroneous view. This is not even the current article from PopSci that is much more favorable. AndyTheGrump gives much weight to LENR being fringe science, but I believe it to be emerging from this category when Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist at the NASA Langley Research Center says LENR is proven beyond dispute, as does Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson and others.

There have been two independent tests of the E-Cat funded by the reputable Elforsk R&D organization. It might have been better to call them engineering tests in order to avoid the misunderstanding by some editors, who felt it should have been a scientific test to determine the physics of the reaction. The test never claimed that and was conducted properly as an engineering test, as I know from firsthand experience with scanning IR instruments. These tests showed the E-Cat worked with a high degree of confidence. A further continuous six month test to start this Summer has been funded by Elforsk.

AndyTheGrump made much of me posting a long excerpt from Engineering News. To start with, I have permission from Kenneth Creamer, CEO of Engineering News do this and secondly, like the piece I wrote myself, this was an effort to reach a compromise through discussion. I had no intention of showing Leonardo Corp’s address in the final piece, this was an attempt to show the E-Cat was real and not “fringe science.” You may indeed order a 1 MW plant from there with four months delivery and currently they are offering a 1 MW plant free to a user in Europe on the understanding it will be open to the public.

I made the mistake of posting on AndyTheGrump’s page that I apologized for ascribing Edison (talk)’s accusation of me threatening someone to him after he said I shouldn’t post there. (It is now deleted) Possibly there is some Wikipedia rule against civil discourse. I still don’t know how to reply to Edison as I don’t see any edit link. So, as of this morning I can no longer edit the E-Cat page although I have not been informed of this. I guess that the E-Cat will become accepted in six to twelve months but I won’t hold my breath to be reinstated and for AndyTheGrump to be banned instead. Adrian Ashfield Parallel (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Parallel, I am concerned you experienced lapses from WP:Please do not bite the newcomers. It is important to protect newcomers from goading, impatience, insults, and failures to WP:Assume good faith for multiple reasons. Not only is doing so the right thing to do, but if we allow rogue elements of the existing contributor base to get away with subjecting newcomers to goading, impatience, insults, and failures to assume good faith we risk giving those newcomers the impression that these behaviours are OK.

I encourage you not to follow the example of those who goaded you, and failed to assume good faith on your part.

Can AndyTheGrump prohibit you from leaving messages on their talk page? You will note that they made a similar, but more limited demand to me. Our policies, guidelines and established conventions are so complicated I don't know, for sure, how much support their demand to me would get, if I were to continue to leave comments related to the topics they said they weren't interested in. But they didn't try to totally prohibit me from leaving comments, because there are certain circumstances where I would have an obligation to leave him a heads-up. Some people would think we had an obligation to leave AndyTheGrump a heads-up to this discussion here, since we discussed his comments.

You haven't been blocked. I am going to ask you again to think about other topics you are interested in, particularly non-controversial topics, and make non-controversial improvements to those articles. You have less than 100 edits in your contribution history. If you were to spend a couple of weeks working on making what were clearly positive, non-controversial improvements to articles unrelated to cold fusion, I think you could get the topic-ban lifted.

What is the best way to respond to grumpy or aggressive people who do not seem willing to extend to you the assumption of good faith, or the courtesy of civil and collegial replies? I dunno. But I do my best to try to take the high-road, and ignore the temptation to "respond in kind."

I think there were valid points made by our challengers. If you haven't read WP:Verifiability you should do so. It is one of the core, original, key policies. It says we should not aim to make the wikipedia "true", we should aim for the much less ambitious goal of making it "verifiable". This means we should be satisfied if our articles neutrally summarize what WP:Reliable sources have to say about the topic. This can be a strain if you think those third party references got it all wrong.

When I re-read Talk:Energy Catalyzer I saw what looked like the regulars there discussing the recent reference you found. They referred to it as a primary source. Here on the wikipedia we generally prefer secondary sources to primary sources, because genuine secondary sources provide authoritative third party interpretation of raw data -- where actual primary sources don't. However, because we prefer primary sources to secondary sources some respondents stretch the definition of these terms beyond recognition so they can use questionable references, or so they can dismiss sources that really are reliable. If the reference you liked really was a primary source it really would be a reason to de-emphasize it.

Parallel, would you consider enabling e-mail, and sending me an e-mail? I have some advice I would like to offer you in private.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)