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:::Thanks for doing that, Wbm. Cyberpower, as I didn't hear back from you I went ahead and asked {{U|WJBscribe}} if he'd be willing to close it and he has agreed. I've left a note on the RfC page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Closing_the_RfC here]. I hope this is okay with you. If you object for any reason or have another suggestion, please feel free to say. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks for doing that, Wbm. Cyberpower, as I didn't hear back from you I went ahead and asked {{U|WJBscribe}} if he'd be willing to close it and he has agreed. I've left a note on the RfC page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Closing_the_RfC here]. I hope this is okay with you. If you object for any reason or have another suggestion, please feel free to say. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Sorry, for the late response. I've been scattered about lately. I am OK with having more than 1 closer. I myself am impartial to it and don't mind changing the opt requirement if consensus sees fit, so I would like to participate as one of the closers. However, if people object, I will stand down from closing.—[[User:C678|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberpower]] [[User talk:C678|<sup style="color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat]]<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Online</sub> 19:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, Cyberpower, I would object to that. RfCs are closed by uninvolved people unless they're straightforward and not contentious. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 20:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::That was fast. :p Oh well. So who else is going to close it?—[[User:C678|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberpower]] [[User talk:C678|<sup style="color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat]]<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Online</sub> 21:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::WJBscribe is going to close it. He can probably do it by himself, but he can choose other uninvolved people to help him if he wants to. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 21:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Have him then report to me the results so I can enforce it.—[[User:C678|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberpower]] [[User talk:C678|<sup style="color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat]]<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Online</sub> 21:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::He's likely to close it publicly the way RfCs are normally closed, so if you look out for it you'll see it. I suspect he'll do it after the 30 days are up. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 21:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


== I don't understand .tk domain blacklisting in the .tk article ==
== I don't understand .tk domain blacklisting in the .tk article ==
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Cyberpower, can you add an editnotice to your user talk page saying that queries about why a link is blacklisted should be posted to [[MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist]] rather than here? [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 19:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Cyberpower, can you add an editnotice to your user talk page saying that queries about why a link is blacklisted should be posted to [[MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist]] rather than here? [[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 19:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
:{{done}}—[[User:C678|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberpower]] [[User talk:C678|<sup style="color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat]]<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Online</sub> 19:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


== Cyberbot I issue? ==
== Cyberbot I issue? ==
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I tried your [https://tools.wmflabs.org/supercount/index.php edit counter tool] on wmflabs.org (Thanks for the great work!). I have found a little bug. When I look at the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/supercount/index.php?user=Stephan+Kulla&project=de.wikibooks#monthly Monthly Chart] with my Firefox 28.0 I do not see the whole month label ([http://s8.postimg.org/iktnuq9qp/2014_04_12_213851_268x219_scrot.jpg?noCache=1397331665 see this screenshot]). Adding a <code>margin-left:...</code> or <code>left:...</code> to the <code><svg></code> does not help, so it may be a bug inside the SVG...?! Greetings, [[User:Stephan Kulla|Stephan Kulla]] ([[User talk:Stephan Kulla|talk]]) 19:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I tried your [https://tools.wmflabs.org/supercount/index.php edit counter tool] on wmflabs.org (Thanks for the great work!). I have found a little bug. When I look at the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/supercount/index.php?user=Stephan+Kulla&project=de.wikibooks#monthly Monthly Chart] with my Firefox 28.0 I do not see the whole month label ([http://s8.postimg.org/iktnuq9qp/2014_04_12_213851_268x219_scrot.jpg?noCache=1397331665 see this screenshot]). Adding a <code>margin-left:...</code> or <code>left:...</code> to the <code><svg></code> does not help, so it may be a bug inside the SVG...?! Greetings, [[User:Stephan Kulla|Stephan Kulla]] ([[User talk:Stephan Kulla|talk]]) 19:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
:I use FireFox 28 too and cannot replicate this issue. I cannot fix it. Sorry. Perhaps you can provide me with more details. Browser settings, Windows settings, DPI settings, etc...


== cyberbot I editing logged out ==
== cyberbot I editing logged out ==
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::::::That's where you're incorrect, Hahc. Almost all bots *did* notice that they were logged out, and had the line of code written in to do so; this one is an exception. The bot had already been stopped by the blocking of the IP (it shouldn't have restarted once blocked without "owner" action - if it did, then there's another problem with its code), but it shouldn't be restarted until this is fixed, because it will do it again whenever it loses its session cookie, which can be caused by more than WMF actions. The resetting of session cookies is happening at different times on different projects because of the absence of site-wide, all-account SUL; until that is resolved, this will happen again. Blaming the WMF for taking an external threat seriously is a bit much; I'm sure we've all had plenty of password resets to do as well this week. Remember, I was correcting the situation of the blocking of the IPs by lifting those blocks, and addressing the coding problem with the bots (i.e., they should know when they're logged out and either log in again or stop by themselves) by blocking the bots. Neither of those blocks included IP autoblock; in fact, I didn't have to block ClueBot III, it has a special page where one turns "true" to "false" and shuts it off. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 04:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::That's where you're incorrect, Hahc. Almost all bots *did* notice that they were logged out, and had the line of code written in to do so; this one is an exception. The bot had already been stopped by the blocking of the IP (it shouldn't have restarted once blocked without "owner" action - if it did, then there's another problem with its code), but it shouldn't be restarted until this is fixed, because it will do it again whenever it loses its session cookie, which can be caused by more than WMF actions. The resetting of session cookies is happening at different times on different projects because of the absence of site-wide, all-account SUL; until that is resolved, this will happen again. Blaming the WMF for taking an external threat seriously is a bit much; I'm sure we've all had plenty of password resets to do as well this week. Remember, I was correcting the situation of the blocking of the IPs by lifting those blocks, and addressing the coding problem with the bots (i.e., they should know when they're logged out and either log in again or stop by themselves) by blocking the bots. Neither of those blocks included IP autoblock; in fact, I didn't have to block ClueBot III, it has a special page where one turns "true" to "false" and shuts it off. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 04:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I am aware. If I unblocked the bot is because I am satisfied that Cyberpower is doing the corrections that need to be made and that this won't repeat itself, given that I understand what happened with Cyberbot I and why. However, that doesn't justify a block of the bot even *after* it already stopped given that the IP it was using was blocked. ''<small>→ Call me</small>'' [[User:Hahc21|<font color="#333333">'''Hahc'''</font>]][[User_talk:Hahc21|<font color="#336699">'''21'''</font>]] 04:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I am aware. If I unblocked the bot is because I am satisfied that Cyberpower is doing the corrections that need to be made and that this won't repeat itself, given that I understand what happened with Cyberbot I and why. However, that doesn't justify a block of the bot even *after* it already stopped given that the IP it was using was blocked. ''<small>→ Call me</small>'' [[User:Hahc21|<font color="#333333">'''Hahc'''</font>]][[User_talk:Hahc21|<font color="#336699">'''21'''</font>]] 04:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Regardless now, the bot should be fixed and should never again edit logged out.—[[User:C678|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberpower]] [[User talk:C678|<sup style="color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat]]<sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Online</sub> 19:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


==Feedback on your supercount tool==
==Feedback on your supercount tool==

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RfC

Hi Cyberpower, would you mind adding a link to an example of an opt-in at the top of the RfC? I think it would be useful for everyone to see what's being discussed. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, just pinging you here in case you missed the above. Also, I'd like to discuss how to choose the closing admin(s) before the 30 days is up so that they're ready to close. It would be good to find someone that everyone would regard as neutral, and given the importance it might be a good idea to have three, and also to alert the Foundation about the privacy concerns. SlimVirgin (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I volunteered my bots and myself to be examples. Yes, I agree that a neutral third party should close it. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for doing that, Wbm. Cyberpower, as I didn't hear back from you I went ahead and asked WJBscribe if he'd be willing to close it and he has agreed. I've left a note on the RfC page here. I hope this is okay with you. If you object for any reason or have another suggestion, please feel free to say. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, for the late response. I've been scattered about lately. I am OK with having more than 1 closer. I myself am impartial to it and don't mind changing the opt requirement if consensus sees fit, so I would like to participate as one of the closers. However, if people object, I will stand down from closing.—cyberpower ChatOnline 19:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Cyberpower, I would object to that. RfCs are closed by uninvolved people unless they're straightforward and not contentious. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That was fast. :p Oh well. So who else is going to close it?—cyberpower ChatOnline 21:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WJBscribe is going to close it. He can probably do it by himself, but he can choose other uninvolved people to help him if he wants to. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Have him then report to me the results so I can enforce it.—cyberpower ChatOnline 21:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He's likely to close it publicly the way RfCs are normally closed, so if you look out for it you'll see it. I suspect he'll do it after the 30 days are up. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand .tk domain blacklisting in the .tk article

https://www.robtex.com/dns/dot.tk.html#blacklists only lists rhsbl.ahbl.org as "timeout" otherwise greenlisted. https://www.robtex.com/dns/dot.tk.html shows no issues at "Google safe browsing", Spamhaus, or SORBS, et al. So why is Wikipedia having a problem with this country code? The whitelisting page suggests that it will continue to be blacklisted no matter what I do. There was references/comments in the article about McAfee (one of the least effective anti-malware) and a silly article about spamming China yet China ranks #1 and #2 in terms of outgoing spam. Again none of the third party Spam filter companies had the .tk on its lists and as mentioned in the wiki article, no other Antimalware provider lists .tk in its threat matrix. Again, from what possible unknown source is this Wikipedia blacklist coming from? (I did check SORBS, Spamhaus, and Forefront pages directly.) Shjacks45 (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you, I was logged in before I clicked "save page". May have missed something retyping my post.

Wrong place to ask. Ask at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Editnotice

Cyberpower, can you add an editnotice to your user talk page saying that queries about why a link is blacklisted should be posted to MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist rather than here? Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Donecyberpower ChatOnline 19:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberbot I issue?

This edit lists nearly every photo or graphic from the articles in Book:Interstate 96 as being "non-free", when none of them are. Also, if it is the bot, it's editing while logged out. Imzadi 1979  11:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have blocked the IP in question [1]. Have rolled back the first 50 edits but there are hundreds. Can you revert the rest of them. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:50, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two further issues:

Cheers, Amalthea 22:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Overview table on Supercount

Hi. I have a suggestion for adding a section in the Monthly Stats section of supercount. As of now, the Monthly Tables section shows a separate table for every month. How about adding another section named Overview Table. The overview table could look something along the following lines:

Month Main Talk User User talk Other namespaces (each in a separate column)
2014/04 edits edits edits edits edits
2014/05 edits edits edits edits edits
2014/06 edits edits edits edits edits

The edits could contain percentage change over the previous month as rollover text, with a checkbox option at the top to show the change alongside the number of edits.

This would help easily identify (for logged-in users) when one made more contribs in which namespace.

Views?--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bugreport for Editcount on wmflabs.org

Hello Cyberpower678,

I tried your edit counter tool on wmflabs.org (Thanks for the great work!). I have found a little bug. When I look at the Monthly Chart with my Firefox 28.0 I do not see the whole month label (see this screenshot). Adding a margin-left:... or left:... to the <svg> does not help, so it may be a bug inside the SVG...?! Greetings, Stephan Kulla (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I use FireFox 28 too and cannot replicate this issue. I cannot fix it. Sorry. Perhaps you can provide me with more details. Browser settings, Windows settings, DPI settings, etc...

cyberbot I editing logged out

Because of this, I've blocked the bot, so we can unblock the relevant IPs. Seems this is a relatively widespread problem as another bot also had to be blocked for the same reason. Feel free to unblock as soon as the bot is logged in again. Risker (talk) 22:59, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That makes absolutely 0 sense. Blocking the bot will not stop it from editing logged out. In addition to that, this is causing collateral damage, as it is now blocking various important tasks. Also the bot task is likely finished and inactive at current. It logs in at the start of each run.—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Risker: I have unblocked the bot. Your block did not solve anything (it actually created some collateral damage), since the bot would still be able to edit from the IP, even if its account is blocked. Anyways, I have discussed this comprehensively with Cyberpower and he is already updating the bot to prevent this from happening again. → Call me Hahc21 03:22, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Hahc21, we can't have that IP blocked, it was screwing up other correctly programmed bots and other activities coming from WMFLabs. There's very high risk for significant collateral damage when blocking any IP starting with 10.xxx as has already been noted by Legoktm. Frankly, I don't care if it's "blocking important tasks" - it's one line of code that's missing, and should have been there all along. Once it's fixed, it can do its important tasks. The project will not fall because a couple of bots without auto-shutoff when logged out don't operate for a day or two. Your actions are inappropriate until the bot is fixed. Risker (talk) 03:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And how exactly will blocking the bot account stop it from editing from an IP? That block on Cyberbot I only stopped tasks that were actually working as should while still allowing the IP edits to happen which is what should be avoided.—cyberpower ChatOnline 03:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Well, Risker, I am well aware that blocking these IPs must not be done, but blocking Cyberbot was pointless, don't you think? My logic tells me that blocking a bot that is editing logged out is like blocking the sockmaster without blocking the sock. Useless. And since we cannot block the bot account using the "Autoblock any IP addresses used" option because it would be the same as blocking the IP, it was kind of.. unnecessary. It would have been way better to inform Cyberpower about the issue, so that he could check. However, this would have been a bit.. useless either given that this issue is happening because the Wikimedia Foundation is constantly resetting session tokens, which force logs out not only bots but most users, because it happened to me too. The only difference is that we notice, bots don't. → Call me Hahc21 03:48, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's where you're incorrect, Hahc. Almost all bots *did* notice that they were logged out, and had the line of code written in to do so; this one is an exception. The bot had already been stopped by the blocking of the IP (it shouldn't have restarted once blocked without "owner" action - if it did, then there's another problem with its code), but it shouldn't be restarted until this is fixed, because it will do it again whenever it loses its session cookie, which can be caused by more than WMF actions. The resetting of session cookies is happening at different times on different projects because of the absence of site-wide, all-account SUL; until that is resolved, this will happen again. Blaming the WMF for taking an external threat seriously is a bit much; I'm sure we've all had plenty of password resets to do as well this week. Remember, I was correcting the situation of the blocking of the IPs by lifting those blocks, and addressing the coding problem with the bots (i.e., they should know when they're logged out and either log in again or stop by themselves) by blocking the bots. Neither of those blocks included IP autoblock; in fact, I didn't have to block ClueBot III, it has a special page where one turns "true" to "false" and shuts it off. Risker (talk) 04:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware. If I unblocked the bot is because I am satisfied that Cyberpower is doing the corrections that need to be made and that this won't repeat itself, given that I understand what happened with Cyberbot I and why. However, that doesn't justify a block of the bot even *after* it already stopped given that the IP it was using was blocked. → Call me Hahc21 04:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless now, the bot should be fixed and should never again edit logged out.—cyberpower ChatOnline 19:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on your supercount tool

Just some feedback on your new tool (using Firefox 20):

  • On the "Monthly Chart":
    • Rather than the full date "2013/12" I only see "13/12" plus the right edge of the 0. (Same as #Bugreport for Editcount on wmflabs.org)
    • I get a horizontal scroll bar at the bottom on a 1024x768 monitor because one of the bars just barely extends out of the table, though there is enough screen real estate for it to be shown without a scroll bar. There is an excessive amount of whitespace that can be revealed by scrolling. It would be nice if the tool could scale the maximum bar length to keep it from requiring scrolling.
    • It would be helpful if hovering over a bar-segment would display both the absolute number of edits and the percentage of that months edits for the given namespace. (Same as #Monthly edit counts by percentage in mouseover?)
  • Rather than "Monthly Tables", the data might be easier to understand in a single table. Each row could represent a month, each column a namespace. This could get a bit wide, but it would allow for easier comparisons of month-to-month data. (Same as #Overview table on Supercount)
  • It would be cool if hovering over the "other" pie section on the "Overview" would enlarge it to show a breakdown of all the wedges in other section.

Otherwise, looks good! Thanks for your work improving this much used tool! TDL (talk) 04:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • To start, you should upgrade your Firefox as it is 8 Versions out of date. And I really can't fix anything if I can't replicate the bug myself. The graphs are an SVG file, so scaling won't be that easy. I can add percentages to the bar count. And I'll work on a new table.—cyberpower ChatOnline 14:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Supercount opt-in on meta

Hi Cyberpower. :) There seems to be a problem with opting in to the Supercount tool on Meta. User:Lady Lotus created an opt-in page on Meta here, but her Supercount analysis for enwiki lists her as "not opted in". Any idea how to fix this? Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 05:05, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Opt in globally. :p That's only a local optin.—cyberpower ChatOnline 12:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
D'oh, that figures. I should have checked that first - thanks for your help. So that this problem happens less often for other people, could you change the Supercount tool text for me? At the moment under the "Not Opted In" heading, it says "To opt in please create User:Xxx/EditCounterOptIn.js on your local wiki or create User:Xxx/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js on meta.wikimedia.org." Could you change the text "User:Xxx/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js on meta.wikimedia.org" so that it is actually a link to the relevant page on Meta? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Possible sulk

Hmm. I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/ has not been working for quite a while now, or the fact that I'm not in User:Cyberpower678/My Wikifriends. If you could manage to put the former right, I could perhaps forgive you for the latter, and not sulk. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, RL is in the way again, so I haven't been able to respond to my talk page as much as I like.—cyberpower ChatOnline 14:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]