Talk:Ali

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2014

84.255.151.48 (talk) 21:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 23:06, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Concern from a new editor 9th December 2014

I am slightly concerned about this page. There seems to be an element of bias in the article. It has a strong leaning towards shia opinions, in fact it reads like a sectarian opinion piece. I shall give my reason at the end. I was under the impression that articles must be neutral and meet consensus. Therefore would it not be more appropriate to have a an articles on Ali that is agreed upon by concensus and then have seperate articles for Shia, Sunni, Alawi and Sufi views on him. Would it also be possible for someone to specifically look at the references. There are a lot of references to 2 canonical hadith books; Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. These are primary textbooks which seem to have been used maliciously to put a particular point of view across. I apologise beforehand if I am mistaken in my observation. I do not mean to be rude but this is an obvious strategy used on debating forums using sources in such a way. Since this is not a discussion forum, could I suggest that, like the limits on use of Quran as reference, the same criteria apply to these texts as well. Surely it would be more useful to use the most authoritative commentaries on the hadith books like the two Fath Al Bari's or any other that you can find.

Regarding the other reason for the inherent bias, there is no mention of the role of Abu Bakr and Aisha in making Ali's marriage to Fatimah successful. I guess this would make the 'opinion piece' further down the article less favourable. If sources are needed they are: Jila ul Ayun Bihar al Anwar Manaqib Kashaful Ghumma Ibn Maja Amali by Atusi

I am not asking for removal of the content but just that it be moved into another side article (I don't know what the correct terms for this is yet) and the general tone of the article should be more neutral.

I am hoping to learn so welcome any constructive criticism, especially any grave errors I have made. Mbcap (talk) 03:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I just edited the introduction but forgot to put in an edit summary. I changed the line about his birth in the Kaaba to make it more neutral. Mbcap (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2014 (UTC) @Mbcap, Thank for your attention and suggestions. I review your points one by one.

• Therefore would it not be more appropriate to have a an articles on Ali that is agreed upon by concensus and then have seperate articles for Shia, Sunni, Alawi and Sufi views on him Of course, we have tried to do so since 2007. Therefor we moved a lot of information to the articles such as Shia view of Ali and Non-Muslim view of Ali and tried to reach consensus on this page.
• I am not asking for removal of the content but just that it be moved into another side article As I told above, we have moved the information which has not supported by secondary and tertiary sources. I think moving such information to the sub-articles is not acceptable.
• Would it also be possible for someone to specifically look at the references. There are a lot of references to 2 canonical hadith books; Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. These are primary textbooks which seem to have been used maliciously to put a particular point of view across. These are just for clarification and in every cases there secondary reliable sources which support those primary sources. We tried to follow this guideline.
• Regarding the other reason for the inherent bias... Please be bold and provide information with reliable sources. Of course, some of the sources which you have mentioned or all of them are primary sources. For example, Bihar al Anwar is nothing but collection of Shia Hadiths.

Thank for your polite and positive approach to make the article more neutral. Let's know your suggestions in details. --Seyyed(t-c) 05:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Why Rafida hijacked page?

This about great caliph of Muslimeen and you know islam make up mostly people of Haq from the ahlul sunnah. Why have Rafida hijack page. I tell to you to make fair the page and not propaganda. Shukran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.114.138.76 (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

This comment describes Shia Muslims with a pejorative term, Rafida. The comment does not represent the consensus among Sunni Muslims or any people of good will. I am sorry it was posted. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 20:08, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Into compression

Should we make the introduction shorter?--88.111.129.157 (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Title

The current title "Ali" has been stable for a long time. Please do not make undiscussed moves. Khestwol (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ali/GA4. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Musa Raza (talk · contribs) 12:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@Musa Raza:, Excuse me, I have confused. I can not find the reviewer's comments! There is a process for the promotion which may not be done correctly!--Seyyed(t-c) 21:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Delisted: This article was not properly reviewed for GA. See discussion at Wikipedia:Good article help#Questionable review. Prhartcom (talk) 20:11, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Totally confusing, please ammend

Hi, guys! I was reading the article, and as a person not very knowledgeable in Islamic history, I can say that the part on the First Fitna is totally confusing. It first says that "They [the rebels] wanted Ali to arrest Uthman ibn Affan's killer and not to fight Muawiyah I", and four lines below it says that "the rebels maintained that Uthman had been justly killed, for not governing according to Quran and Sunnah, hence no vengeance was to be invoked". Could you please clarify? Thanks. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 22:18, 16 June 2015 (UTC)