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* Rachel Campos-Duffy (born October 22, 1971) is an American television personality '''known for her work''' as a television host and as a former reality television personality. '''She first gained fame''' in 1994 as a cast member on the MTV reality television series The Real World: San Francisco, '''before becoming a TV host'''. '''She gained wide exposure as a recurring guest''' host on the ABC talk show The View before moving to Fox News, where she appears as a commentator on shows such as Outnumbered, on which '''she is a recurring guest host'''.
* Rachel Campos-Duffy (born October 22, 1971) is an American television personality '''known for her work''' as a television host and as a former reality television personality. '''She first gained fame''' in 1994 as a cast member on the MTV reality television series The Real World: San Francisco, '''before becoming a TV host'''. '''She gained wide exposure as a recurring guest''' host on the ABC talk show The View before moving to Fox News, where she appears as a commentator on shows such as Outnumbered, on which '''she is a recurring guest host'''.

'''C. The compromised Lead'''
Rachel Campos-Duffy[1] (born October 22, 1971) is an American television personality. She first appeared on television in 1994 as a cast member on the MTV reality television series The Real World: San Francisco, before becoming a television host. She was a guest host on the ABC talk show The View, before moving onto Fox News, where she has guest-hosted the show Outnumbered.


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*'''Support A''' - second version adds unnecessary words. [[User:MaximumIdeas|MaximumIdeas]] ([[User talk:MaximumIdeas|talk]]) 20:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support A''' - second version adds unnecessary words. [[User:MaximumIdeas|MaximumIdeas]] ([[User talk:MaximumIdeas|talk]]) 20:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

* '''Clarification''' Why are you still commenting on this? The conflict has been resolved. I rewrote the Lead to address Snoog's complaints. Version "B" is no longer in consideration, so you're pushing for one thing when the alternative is not the compromised version C that I've rewritten, but an outdated version that I'm not. Why are people still coming here? Is someone [[WP:CANVAS|canvassing]]? [[User:Nightscream|Nightscream]] ([[User talk:Nightscream|talk]]) 22:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

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Fiancee killed in car accident?

The grammar is confusing in the bio section that states that Rachel was injured in a car accident along with passengers and an MTV producer who "were" killed. Who "were" the people who were killed and did that include her fiancee at the time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.151.53 (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is it better now? Nightscream (talk) 23:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 7 March 2014

  • The passage John-Paul(2006), needs to have a space placed between "Paul" and the opening parenthesis.
  • The end of that passage has two periods at the end of the last sentence, one before and one after the citation. The latter one is the wrong one, per WP:PAIC.
  • The passage Campos earned a master's degree in international affairs from the University of California at San Diego. is unsourced.
  • The passage on Jenny McCarthy replacing Hasselbeck is unsourced. There are a number of sources in The View article that could be added to that passage.
  • The passage on The Wedding Video may benefit from having "2003" placed before The Wedding Video for historical clarity.

Nightscream (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should currently be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 01:43, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal information regarding minor children

I have deleted the full names and dates of birth of Campos-Duffy's minor children. There is no encyclopedic need for this level of detail of personal identifying information. If fans are that fixated on knowing this information, there are apparently other sources online, but Wikipedia shouldn't participate. This is People stuff, not encyclopedia stuff; WP:NOTGOSSIP.Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced puffery in the lede

(1) RCD is not "known as for her work as a television host and as a former reality television personality." -- She's not known for anything. She is a television personality, she is not known for it. That's puffery. (2) She did not "gain wide exposure". That's entirely unsourced. Puffery. (3) "Recurring" guest host is unsourced. It's more precise to say she "has guest-hosted", without specifying how many times or giving readers the impression that she's guest-hosted a lot of episodes. Again, unsourced puffery.

All of this unsourced puffery should be removed from the lede. The lede should be fairly straight-forward, objective and merely reflect what RS say. Snooganssnoogans (talk)

Before I respond to your arguments, can you please define puffery? Nightscream (talk) 03:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's been two months and you still can't be arsed to substantively respond to this? Do I seriously have to start a RfC to remove your unsourced puffery from the lede? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Short lede vs long lede

Which version of the lede do you prefer?: Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A. The shorter lede:

  • Rachel Campos-Duffy (born October 22, 1971) is an American television personality. In 1994, she gained attention as a cast member on the MTV reality television series The Real World: San Francisco. Rachel Campos-Duffy is a contributor for Fox News. She has guest-hosted the Fox News show Outnumbered. She has guest-hosted the ABC talk show The View.

B. The longer lede (the bolded bits are the bits not covered in #A):

  • Rachel Campos-Duffy (born October 22, 1971) is an American television personality known for her work as a television host and as a former reality television personality. She first gained fame in 1994 as a cast member on the MTV reality television series The Real World: San Francisco, before becoming a TV host. She gained wide exposure as a recurring guest host on the ABC talk show The View before moving to Fox News, where she appears as a commentator on shows such as Outnumbered, on which she is a recurring guest host.

C. The compromised Lead Rachel Campos-Duffy[1] (born October 22, 1971) is an American television personality. She first appeared on television in 1994 as a cast member on the MTV reality television series The Real World: San Francisco, before becoming a television host. She was a guest host on the ABC talk show The View, before moving onto Fox News, where she has guest-hosted the show Outnumbered.

Survey

  • Version A - In ledes, we should strive to be concise and succinct. All this flowery language of "being known for", "gaining fame", "gaining wide exposure", "becoming a TV host" and being a "recurrent guest host" is unnecessary. "Being known for", "gaining fame", and "gaining wide exposure" are also unsourced. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, you have the phrase "gained attention" in your Version A, so that undercuts your argument.

Second, the problem with your Version B. is that it's just a collection of unconnected standalone sentences, without any connective composition among them, which exhibits poor writing. I just edited the Lead to address this point. Let me know what you think. Nightscream (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I support version #A. Your current changes are an improvement over version #B, but not over version #A. And it's frankly astonishing and incredibly annoying that it has taken this long for you to actually engage in discussion on the talk page and stop blanket-reverting any and all changes to the lede, despite the fact that you now say that version #B (the status quo lede which you edit-warred to retain) is obviously problematic. What a waste of time and energy. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is a significant improvement over Version A, which is poorly written, as explained above. As for my response time, it took me less than three hours to respond to your opening of this discussion which is perfectly reasonable. There was no reason for me to open one myself prior to this, since there I was clearly in the right, as you were not only favoring shitty writing, and making numerous errors, but using fraudulent edit summaries as well —and repeatedly — which were easily addressed in the edit summaries with which I reverted you. Had you continued this disruptive behavior, I would've availed myself to one of the conflict resolutions used on WP, be it talk page discussion or whatever. Nightscream (talk) 18:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here[1] is your deeply substantive response to my comment two months ago where I delineated the problems that you have now all of sudden discovered (and which you indiscriminately edit-warred back into the article). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A (invited by the bot) "A" is a straightforward summary of the key facts, and "B" has many problems at several levels, most of them have the appearance of being promotional related. Several unsourced assertions, including most of those that Snooganssnoogans listed. (Although I disagree on "recurrent guest host"; such is real information). Overemphasis on her current role can also look promotional. Her reality show stint make in fact be what she is most known for but it is worded as being a prelude to her current role. BTW, the issue isn't short vs. long. North8000 (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Version B is no longer in consideration, since I edited the section four days ago to address the notability-related wording that Snoogans took issue with. Nightscream (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So you probably need to start a new RFC with whatever the new question is. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A - Some reasons have already been mentioned, but the main problem is that the second version is longer and more flowery than the first without actually saying anything new or adding extra information. Some flowery language can make a text more easy to read, but this is not one of those cases. It just adds unnecessary words that don't add anything to the article. PraiseVivec (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarification Why are you still commenting on this? The conflict has been resolved. I rewrote the Lead to address Snoog's complaints. Version "B" is no longer in consideration, so you're pushing for one thing when the alternative is not the compromised version C that I've rewritten, but an outdated version that I'm not. Why are people still coming here? Is someone canvassing? Nightscream (talk) 22:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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