Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory

Sufism, Ancient Persia, Ancient India

The article is quite biased and i think the semi-protection status makes this worse. I suggest to do not add information without sources to the article, and to not make generalisations, this is making it to be very imprecise one.

In ancient persia the zoroastrian religion was not pro-gay, in fact there are clear admonitions against homosexuality found in various texts of zoroastrian literature. You can see more about this in the wiki article about homosexuality and zoroastrianism. regarding hinduism, the article shold make clear that there are many variations of hinduism, most are anti-gay, some are pro-gay. The kama-sutra actually speaks negatively of homosexuality.

And finally, regarding sufism, the claim that sufism has a gay doctrine is absurd. There were a small number of sufis who did this practice but the vast majority rejected it as sinful.

Turkey is twice in list

please check this :)

There is a typo in reference 6

Reference 15 is "Tritiya-Prakriti: People of the Third Sex" and there is a link but reference 6 is ritiya-Prakriti: People of the Third Sex, p. 40 without 'T'

Chechnya - Misleading information

To say "homosexuals are abducted and sent to concentration camps based on their perceived sexual orientation" is incredibly misleading. No physical evidence of these camps was found. I'm not saying that these things aren't happening, but aren't we innocent until proven guilty? Even the article about these camps starts by saying "it has been reported". People can report anything, but it doesn't mean that it happened. The fact that the original story came from Novaya Gazeta makes me want to question things more.

Does WP need to include a new column for rights?

It has been a year since Trudeau offered an apology to the LGBTQ2S community in the House of Commons and reparations seeming from a class action lawsuit resulting in a 110 million Canadian dollar agreement where announced. Should reparations be added ahead of this emerging topic becoming more common or so we need to wait for a few more countries to step up and admit systematic oppression detrimental to LGBT individuals. In 2015 the UN's Free & Equal campaign cited the World Banks 2014 estimate of 5%GDP lost through LGBT exclusion. The World Court does not have the authority to issue more than an advisory judgement regarding the Human Rights involved here so it is left to each country to address this. What do the tea leaves of the coffee house suggest?

Ireland military service section incorrect.

There is no ban on any LGBT group from serving in the Irish Defence Forces. This page is simply incorrect. Please amend.

https://www.thejournal.ie/transgender-defence-forces-leo-varadkar-3519905-Jul2017/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/modern-family/defence-forces-to-let-gay-staff-wed-on-military-bases-34735903.html

NPOV

I think the article's name should be "LGBT/LGBT-related laws by country and territory" rather than the current names for maintaining NPOV writing style, and the article should also be riwritten according to NPOV. Lazy-restless (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

LGBT RIGHTS is a good and usual title. That fits.-Arorae (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

As far as I knew that, wikipedia is a place of neutrality, not of being something good or bad. Lazy-restless (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

and neutrality is only your own point of view, I may suppose ?—Arorae (talk) 18:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

The phrase "laws conserning" is trivial. Every law concerns LGBT people; property law, business law, criminal law, torts, etc. LGBT rights deal with specific laws that broadly or uniquely apply to LGBT people. A hate crime law, for example, might include ethnic minorities but not recognize LGBT (or any of its derivatives) people. If the law does recognize LGBT protection, it becomes an LGBT right. If it does not, the law is an ethnic minority right. Starting an edit war helps no one.Andrew1444 (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 August 2019

LGBT rights by country or territory → LGBT-related laws by country or territory – The aticle's name should be "LGBT/LGBT-related laws by country and territory" rather than the current names for maintaining NPOV. Lazy-restless (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• and what about moving Human Rights to Human-related laws? And Black rights to Black-related laws? Oppose to the move.-Arorae (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose Current title meets WP:NPOV. MarnetteD|Talk 22:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - I'd say it's fine in meeting WP:NPOV. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. "LGBT rights" is the well-established term used all over the media and all over Wikipedia. - htonl (talk) 11:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. LGBT rights as a subset of civil rights is similar in function to "women's rights" or "minority rights". A change based on NPOV is not warranted so long as judgement of the granting or the denial of rights is not made. Andrew1444 (talk) 13:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose as per Arorae and Andrew1444- Essentially moving this would also mean moving Human Rights to Human-related laws etc etc, Oppose. –Davey2010^Talk 14:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Editwar is always useless. And nobody (for the moment) agrees to change the title.-Arorae (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lazy-restless:. I think that you have a problem of edit war with the expression Rights. Nobody seems to support your thesis and you are continuing to adapt the title of the article and other related items. Do you plan to change also all the several titles that include « LGBT rights » in all Wikipedia. It is pointless.-Arorae (talk) 18:40, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

NPOV is the fundamental base of wikipedia, if it does not exist, then wikipedia is out of it's own value. We all should be totally intellectual to maintain the best neutrality in Wikipedia regardless our own value or personal point of view. Lazy-restless (talk) 21:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose and speedy close per Arorae and htonl. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 22:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)