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Requested move 25 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine Bott (footballer) → CJ Bott – Per WP:NCSP: If the person is best known with a middle name or abbreviation, then the title should reflect that. The current article lede implies that CJ Bott is the WP:COMMONNAME, rather than Catherine Bott. This seems to be supported by the individual's own social media stuff [1], [2], her national team/association [3], the sport's global governing body [4] (who seem to use C.J. and CJ interchangeably) and current club Vittsjö GIK [5]. I do think when the article was created it was titled correctly according to the sources available at the time [6], but that as her notability and prevalence of sources has increased the circumstances have changed to the point where the article should be moved. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 12:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 16:09, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - according to sources on the article sshe is called Catherinr Bott by NZFA and FIFA (link appears broken), as well as BBC. Giant Snowman 16:15, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes she used to be called Catherine by the NZFA (and by extension FIFA), but isn't any more. That was rather the point! Also the BBC use 'CJ' much more than 'Catherine', for example: 1, 2, 3, 4. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and it would be C. J. for Catherine Joan in an encyclopaedia. This isn't a blog. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well there seems to be a few CJs in among the C.J.s at C. J. (given name)? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 21:17, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are 3 among 20, and they are equally silly. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true, is it? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 13:36, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I identified CJ Bott as the common name. As mentioned above, in general, C. J. is to be preferred. This too can be overruled by WP:COMMONNAME. To rid the dab, we should definitely use CJ instead of Catherine. gidonb (talk) 03:57, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result of the move request was: '''No consensus.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> {{#if:|<small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>|{{#if:|<small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small>}}}} [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 18:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
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 [[:Catherine Bott (footballer)]] → {{no redirect|CJ Bott}} – Per [[:WP:NCSP]]: {{tq|If the person is best known with a middle name or abbreviation, then the title should reflect that.|q=yes}} The current article lede implies that CJ Bott is the [[:WP:COMMONNAME]], rather than Catherine Bott. This seems to be supported by the individual's own social media stuff [https://www.instagram.com/cjbott/?hl=en ], [https://twitter.com/cjbottnz?lang=en ], her national team/association [https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/NATIONAL-TEAMS/Football-Ferns-1 ], the sport's global governing body [https://www.fifa.com/womensworldcup/players/player/358189/ ] (who seem to use C.J. and CJ interchangeably) and current club Vittsjö GIK [https://www.svenskalag.se/vittsjogik/nyheter/1338334/cj-bott-skadad-i-vm-match ]. I do think when the article was created it was titled correctly according to the sources available at the time [https://web.archive.org/web/20160203185528/http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/people/catherine-bott/ ], but that as her notability and prevalence of sources has increased the circumstances have changed to the point where the article should be moved. [[User:Bring back Daz Sampson|Bring back Daz Sampson]] ([[User talk:Bring back Daz Sampson|talk]]) 12:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
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 *'''Support'''. I identified CJ Bott as the common name. As mentioned above, in general, C. J. is to be preferred. This too can be overruled by [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. To rid the dab, we should definitely use CJ instead of Catherine. [[User:Gidonb|gidonb]] ([[User talk:Gidonb|talk]]) 03:57, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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