Talk:Germaine de Staël

Picaresque

Is there any basis for the recent addition of "Picaresque" here? It is an entirely different matter from "picturesque", and was added anonymously and without citation. I don't know the novel in question, so I'm uncertain, but I suspect it is simply wrong. If no one can explain and/or cite, I think this should probably be reverted. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Bias

The tone of this article is biased, bent on denigrating an extraordinary figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.104.163.199 (talk • contribs) 13 August 2006.

Precisely. Someone, please, work to change this - it's a contemptable piece, typical of its time (1911). [signed, but not logged in: RHG]

This article is a good example of the foolishness of pasting in old Britannica articles. What was once (probably) thought to be a succinct summary of her life looks, now, a lot more like libel. Somebody with more knowledge about her life and works has a lot of cleaning up to do. WtG. Josh a brewer 01:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

link rot

The link to BNF's Gallica site doesn't work. Mme de Stael's work is there in three volumes, but this link doesn't get it. 71.163.117.143 (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Nationality

If her parents were born in Geneva and Crassier, does that mean she is also Genevan? She was born in Paris where she also died, does that mean she still can be called Genevan? It is a bit strange to put so much attention on that detail. Categorizing can easily become a problem. If one's parents were born in Pakistan, but the child was born in London does that mean one is Pakistani? By the way she loved Paris but hated Switzerland. She married the Swedish ambassador, does that mean she was Swedish too?Taksen (talk) 18:45, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I am just referring to what the dictionaries say about her nationality. French dictionaries state she was French. The historical dictionary of Switzerland state she was "de Genève", which means that her family had citizenship of the Republic of Geneva. Since this last dictionary doesn't say she was "de Crassier" also (it usually does mention all the citizenships from municipalities in today's Switzerland an individual holds), it means she was not Swiss until 1815, when Geneva joined Switzerland. Sapphorain (talk) 19:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

The story becomes more complicated when you study a map and the history of Crassier, which is divided by the border in a French and a Swiss part. If her mother Suzanne was born near the church, she was living in the canton of Bern and not from the Republic of Geneva. If her mother was born on the other side of the village, she was French.Taksen (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Anyway, the mother was « de Lausanne » (so she probably was born near the church!) : see [1], and she was not «  de Crassier ». And apparently this Lausanne citizenship didn’t pass to her children, which is not at all surprising: even in todays’s Switzerland a person is usually (but not always) burgher of the municipality of his/her father, and not of his/her mother (it would become quite messy after a few generations if both were obtained). When I wrote above that "her family had citizenship of Geneva" I of course meant the family of her father: women weren't (and still aren't) much considered in burgher's conventions. Sapphorain (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

sentence fragment

"In 1783 William Pitt the Younger and the Comte de Guibert, whose conversation was the most far-ranging, spirited and fertile she had ever known." Without a separate verb in this sentence, there's an implication that she also wanted to marry these two men in the same year, after not marrying Gibbon. Terrible English. 100.15.129.3 (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Reversion

Taksen Regarding your recent reversion, you mentioned that the material is unreferenced. Which material lacks a reference? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 18:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

The real problem is that you are trying to add information in a box, where you don't have to explain anything. We don't need this propaganda for ``your`` favorites. Goodluck somewhere else.Taksen (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

So why did you say the content was unsourced, Taksen? And do you really feel that characterizing the edit as propagandistic is assuming good faith? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I checked the article on Maurice there is nothing Staël. Only her name is mentioned in the box. I opened the reference to D. Young. De Staël is not mentioned once in this article. It is hard to believe that Constant and Staël, both involved in early liberalism, were interested in christian socialism or something similar. Everybody was interested in or influenced by Stael, as she was the most famous author of her times. A google search on those two names hardly helps. What you do is promoting Maurice, but not in a box on Stael, with a source that does not mention her, unacceptable.Taksen (talk) 05:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC) You use an IP and don't have a profile, not very convincing.Taksen (talk) 05:48, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Date issue with the Estates General

The article states in the introduction that "She was present at the first opening of the Estates General and..." which according to the article about the Estates General itself was in 1302. It also states there that the last Estates General (and the only one since 1614) was in 1789. If nobody minds I will change the introduction to "She was present at the Estates General of 1789 and...". 190.46.184.190 (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

go ahead, you're right.Taksen (talk) 07:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. 201.214.20.182 (talk) 17:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Part of article not showing under publish

A significant amount of previously edited and unmodified text, after subtitle, "Mistress of Coppet" is not responding to "publish changes" request and is therefore missing. Is this a unicode glitch? Help to resolve would be welcome. Thanks. --Po Mieczu (talk) 16:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

With help, sorted Hidden text.--Po Mieczu (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Po Mieczu, why don't you have a profile? Your talkpage is not very interesting either. I have enough experience here to know that that is not a good sign. It is not very convincing to mention Goethe etc. in the lead to prove she was a good author and an unknown Polish author to prove she was a proto-feminist. Thanks you for improving my style, but it is also a lot of work to check what you did; to me this looks like a raid. I am sceptical. Taksen (talk) 07:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC

I just google'd on De Stael and feminism; almost only recent articles in French come up. I have no time to read them, but the French Wikipedia on De Stael does not mention the word feminism either. She is called a feminine personality. It seems to me she was interested in individual freedom, not in equality; perhaps her view on divorce can be mentioned.Taksen (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

INTEGRITY please

Hey Taksen. Regarding your revert, please see WP:INTEGRITY. The first paragraph in "East European travels" is not including citations. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

You should read the book Ten Years After if you are curious to know more and then add references. I assume I added already 100 references. This is not Kindergarten. I could not check your contributions; why is it hidden? What is your interest in this woman? Most of all I find your request ridiculous. I see you were blocked a two days ago. byebye.Taksen (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)