Talk:Insurgency in Cabo Delgado

Combatants

I don't know who added Vladimir Putin as a commander, but please, let's stick with the actual combatants. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 16:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it is because it says that Mozambique is supported by Russia, but supported doesn't mean they are commanding troops. You made the right call. Cool314 (talk) 14:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Whoever did it forgot about other involved forces, but this can be a great thing to note to people who edit these kinds of articles, I personally, wait until at least 10 years have passed until even considering any addition to the article, due to my inexperiance Kiri621x (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Casualties

The page says that the total civilian casualties is 78 but it has said that since the 26th of March. The other numbers are out of date to. I will try to count all the deaths, but I will need help. Can someone try to help me? Cool314 (talk) 14:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Page move history

• at 01:14, 26 December 2017 Ammarpad moved page Draft:Islamist insurgency in Mozambique to Islamist insurgency in Mozambique (Publishing accepted Articles for creation submission (AFCH 0.9)
• at 00:51, 2 August 2018 Oranjelo100 moved page Islamist insurgency in Mozambique to Islamist insurgency in Mozambique (2017-present) (Date)
• at 15:28, 22 August 2018 CPA-5 moved page Islamist insurgency in Mozambique (2017-present) to Islamist insurgency in Mozambique over redirect (To specific date)
• at 12:06, 20 April 2020 Denimcurls moved page Islamist insurgency in Mozambique to Insurgency in Mozambique (2017-Present) (In order to comply with Wikipedia naming conventions a more neutral option is prefered until the situation is fully understood.)
• at 12:11, 20 April 2020 Denimcurls moved page Islamist insurgency in Mozambique to Insurgency in Mozambique (In order to comply with Wikipedia naming conventions a more neutral option is prefered until the situation is fully understood.) (moved a redirect, not the article)

Insurgency in Mozambique is a WP:CONCISE title. The goal of conciseness is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area. If there has never been any "insurgency" in Mozambique before 2017, then it is unnecessary to disambiguate with a time period (2017-present). Likewise it may be not be necessary to disambiguate with "Islamist", especially if it is not clear that this insurgency should be characterized as an "Islamist insurgency". – wbm1058 (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: "If there has never been any "insurgency" in Mozambique before 2017" Um, Mozambican War of Independence? Mozambican Civil War? RENAMO insurgency (2013–2019)? Koopinator (talk) 17:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I propose Insurgency in Cabo Delgado Province. Koopinator (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• We should use a title who is most used in the sources. What do the sources say about the conflict? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
• Also the I don't believe we should use the year in the title because there is/was only one Islamic insurgency in Mozambique. But I still believe we should use a name who's used by reliable sources. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 20 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved buidhe 19:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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Insurgency in Mozambique (2017–present) → Insurgency in Cabo Delgado – Used in seemingly reputable sources [1][2], has 10.700 google results, I oppose the current title, as there were technically 2 insurgencies in Mozambique from 2017 to 2019 (See RENAMO insurgency (2013–2019)). I also oppose Islamist insurgency in Mozambique as it isn't in all of Mozambique and because there's more to it than just Islamism (organized crime is in on it as well) Koopinator (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support. A look at some randomly chosen article references:

• This article calls them "the Cabo Delgado insurgents", not "Islamist" insurgents.
• While this onecalls it "the Islamist insurgency in Cabo Delgado"
• And this report refers to "Mozambique’s first Islamist attacks" ("attacks" rather than "insurgency")
• This article also talks about terrorist attacks and "the insurgency", but just "alleged" ISIS responsibility – an "unknown terrorist group" whose funding, origins, mandate and even its name are unknown. If you don't definitively know anything about the terrorists, then you can't with certainty call them "Islamist".

"Cabo Delgado" is more WP:PRECISE (titles should unambiguously define the scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that) as it doesn't imply that the insurgency is countrywide as "Mozambique" does. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose- Article will be much harder to find. Oranjelo100 (talk) 02:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
  • @Oranjelo100: What do you mean? Redirects will remain in place. Koopinator (talk) 11:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I mean in search engines and it can spread to other regions. Oranjelo100 (talk) 06:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

We don't know if it will spread, the question is, what is the best title NOW? Regardless, what title would you suggest if it were to spread to Tanzania? I'm thinking Insurgency in Cabo Delgado and Mtwara. Of course, if it spreads to multiple regions, maybe we could then call it "Insurgency in Northern Mozambique" or "Insurgency in Northern Mozambique and Southern Tanzania". But only when this happens should such a title change be considered. Koopinator (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

• Per WP:NAMINGCRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME We should name titles who are based on highly reliable sources and the most common one should be used as the title. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 10:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that this conflict has any common name within RS. Koopinator (talk) 10:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

• Lean Support the title seems more precise, and a little less awkward. ~ HAL333 06:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support or "northern Mozambique" leaving the redirect Sugarcoils (talk) 18:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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