Talk:Doja Cat

New picture

Hey, I think this picture is quite ugly, can we get a new one? 173.52.117.126 (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, this photo is extremely out dated and weird. Change it to something prettier Dojacatfinantic (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Awards table format

Davey2010, you said "this is the standard format for tables here" in your edit summary, but I've never ever seen an awards table for a recording artist like that before. This table should follow the real standard format of recording artists awards, as represented by almost every article in Category:Lists of awards received by American musician (e.g. Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Cardi B, Billie Eilish etc.). Pinging VersaceSpace and Heartfox for input. HeyitsBen ^talk 09:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

IPs have apparently changed the list on the Billy Eilish article and on the Cardi B article which has gone unnoticed and obviously without consensus .... that being said once something's been changed and hasn't been reverted for some time the onus would then be on me to change these back. If you check all of the pages you will see these originally started off as Years only tables and that's how they should've remained - Either way the IPs who created this mess should've got consensus first instead of unilaterally changing everything. –Davey2010^Talk 12:06, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I would not support changing the awards and nominations table to a years-first format. When a casual reader wants to know about an artist, do they care about how many awards they won in a certain year, or do they care about how many Grammy Awards they have? I would say the latter is more beneficial to readers. If someone wants to sort it chronologically they can easily do so by pressing the column title. Heartfox (talk) 20:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

You're also referring to a different format in which each award is listed as a heading, and then the years are first in the tables below. That is not what was presented before reverted. Heartfox (talk) 20:17, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

We cannot read minds so therefore we wouldn't know what they care about. Personally I'd say awards received in x year is more beneficial than the award category but again I cannot read readers minds either. Like I said this has been the standard format for donkeys years but anyway I'll start an RFC in the coming weeks. Cheers. –Davey2010^Talk 20:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Ashram details

Ok so I'm wondering if its WP:OR by including that Doja lived in Alice Coltrane's Sai Anantam Ashram in the mountains of Agoura Hills. I deduced this from the following things

• In this interview she says that Alice Coltrane was the swami of her ashram, and that her ashram was in the mountains.
• In this interview she says that the ashram was in Agoura Hills
• In this source and this Pitchfork article it says that Alice Coltrane's ashram was in the mountains of Agoura Hills.
• In this image, a very young Doja Cat can be seen in orange in the bottom left corner nearby Alice Coltrane.

I might also add the Vice image as an External media, since its very cute and interesting and whatever. Any thoughts? HeyitsBen ^talk 19:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

primary sources aren't good enough for full dob

Hey, Cybertrip, the California Birth Index isn't good enough, nor is a tweet. I can't get to the other source, but full dob needs to be widely published in reliable sources per Wikipedia:DOB. It's a BLP privacy issue. I'm going to remove again, and please let's discuss before putting it back in. —valereee (talk) 12:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

• Cybertrip, no, CBI is not good enough. Stop adding this and start discussing. —valereee (talk) 18:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
• Is this good enough to source the DOB? I'm not sure of PopBuzz's status as a reliable source. Looks kinda like its on shaky grounds but its all I could find and you never know: https://www.popbuzz.com/music/features/doja-cat/age-birthday/ versacespaceleave a message! 20:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Rapper/singer

@Cornerstonepicker: I thought we should just clarify this once and for all. I personally believe that Doja is equal parts singer and rapper but according to your logic it should be in the order most sources/journalists write, therefore it actually should be "rapper, singer..." and not "singer, rapper...". Just a simple google search of "doja cat" yielded these articles:

• Rolling Stone: "the rapper-singer’s"
• Pitchfork (1): "the 24-year-old rapper-singer and songwriter"
• Pitchfork (2): "Doja Cat is a rapper."
• NME: "The Los Angeles rapper/singer"
• Forbes: "the rapper/pop singer"
• Financial Times: "The Californian rapper, singer and TikTok star"
• Wall Street Journal: "Los Angeles rapper/singer"
• Complex: "The 25-year-old rapper, singer"
• V Magazine: "The rapper-singer"
• XXL: "The 25-year-old rapper-singer"
• Revolt: "the Los Angeles rapper/singer"
• The Ringer: "I might alternate between 'rapper' and 'singer' to describe her role on so many songs"

Pinging Leeeez for discussion since you two keep reverting each other. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 17:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Cybertrip:, I can cite, too, countless articles by googling «doja "singer and rapper"», like her AllMusic biography, iHeartRadio biography, her bio on the RCA Records page. Since we both in the same page, should this be an open poll? Aside from this, her breaktrough hit was a pop song where she sings 80% of the song, as she did in her other two mainstream singles. Then, she sings in the bigger portion of her albums. She is indeed a rapper, but in the works she presents, she's mostly a singer. Also, she submits her work to R&B and Pop categories in award shows. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:42, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Cornerstonepicker, I feel like by forcing the verbatim “singer and rapper” search is slightly unfair since you are obviously gonna get only the articles that have written that exactly. I don’t know where that “80%” estimate came from, and i also don’t know exactly which other two “mainstream singles” you’re referring to? “Boss Bitch” (a full rap song) was a smash in Europe and is one of her biggest ever, while “Ain't Shit” and “Need to Know” are incoming sleeper hits and are also primarily rap songs with sung choruses. Doja raps on pretty much every song in her discography. Some songs may have more rapping than singing, others may have more singing than rapping. She obviously broke through and made her name to the general public as a rapper since she rose to prominence with a rap song in “Mooo!” and her first-ever Billboard charting song (“Rules”) was a also a full rap song. She’s also been nominated twice in the hip-hop category at the BET Awards… but I can tell this argument is going nowhere with just you and I so I’d be more than happy if you opened a vote. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 10:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

-Support rapper before singer. The entire song of Tia Tamera is pure rap where there is almost little to no singing. Doja has done multiple songs where she raps, one pop song doesn't not make her a rapper. Interestingly, I've seen an increase of Bardigang claiming that Doja isn't a rapper due to her songs outcharting Cardi's heavily promoted songs. I think there is a correlation here. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 11:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

You got a point, Cybertrip. This should be a poll. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC - Order of occupations

Doja Cat has been referred to as "singer and rapper" and "rapper and singer" in the article; right now is the latter. Both orders are backed by sources. Which should be the order in the opening sentence? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

-Support for "rapper and singer." I don't think someone who is a fan of someone who seems to use multiple cowriters for her bars can speak on Doja Cat. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 19:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Sir, Wikipedia is not a forum, nor your Twitter feed. Let's respect the topic of this conversation. We are grown men. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• Irrelevant – just leave the order alone. There's nothing in guidelines or sources to suggest one is preferred over the other, is there? They mean the same thing. Dicklyon (talk) 04:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

• leave the order alone.Thelostone41 (talk) 23:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)