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Hello, I have a question!

I noticed you made some changes to the article on Middle Eastern cuisine. I was wondering if you could elaborate on those changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElectronFlux (talk • contribs) 02:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Sorry, let me elaborate! I was just wondering about what constitutes Middle Eastern Cuisine in the opinon of recent editors. I noticed many changes to the article since I last saw it, and it seems to have a large and divergent degree of different types of ethnic foods. I like Lebanese food for example, and I think of that as Middle Eastern Cuisine, but I am not sure if that is official. By comparison, I have never had Uzbek food, and the one time I had Persian food, it seemed alot like Indians food. At anyrate, I hope I did not mess up your wiki homepage asking the question! ElectronFlux 02:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I Agree

Eupator, I agree with your notion, and I am going to help you remove any vistage of the usage of the term "Middle Eastern" in relation to anything that is not 100% Semitic and Islamic(especially Sunni) all at once. In fact, I am going to go through your entire edit history, as well as your "sockpuppet" entries, to make sure you didn't miss anything!!! Technajunky 18:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually...

I suppose this will occur anyway on the pen is mightier than the sword so you might as well have at it. -- Kendrick7^talk 00:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Denial of the armenian genocide

Hi. I think the photo I added was proper for the article, the section is about the position of the Turkish authorities and the photo was provided by the Turkish military. If you want we may add an explanation under the photo saying that it is from a Turkish armed forces web site (or something like that) but I don't think deleting the photo is suitable.--Hattusili 21:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Eupator

Since you're knowledgeable on the Caucus and Central Asia topics, can you please comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Turkish History Brief. --Mardavich 12:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Muslim casualties

Hey Eup, be sure to check this out when you get a chance. Best, Clevelander 22:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Reformed spelling

I didn't revert it. I created a new section. Stop being such a pain and grow up! (How old are you by the way? My guess is 17 to 19.)

If you live in L.A. we can meet up and discuss this face to face.

FYI:
>> Serouj: That long quote (opinion) doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. Make an External link to it, if you must.
>>Eupator: actually it does, see Tiridates of Armenia for example, which is classed a Good Article

Serouj: The quote in the Tiridates of Armenia article is by a Professor of Classics at Princeton University, and it references his book (he's both a professor and is a professor of the right subject). Your quote is from a former politician who is not a linguist, and certainly not a professor in this sensitive issue in linquistics. Therefore, it classifies as an opinion, not an academic work. We can mention in the main article that there are some political disagreements; I'm fine with that, and keep those actual opinions as external links. In my opinion, a politician's opinion still doesn't qualify for it to make it into an encyclopedia for an article about linguistics; I don't think The Encyclopedia of Brittanica would have included a quote from a former speaker of the parliament of Armenia in their article on Armenian Reformed Spelling. Serouj 02:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tondrakians, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 01:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Merci/Thanks

Thanks for all your help i've been working on tons of articles and making new ones and adding much more feel free to check them out well most of you used to edit my articles but all the sudden not anymore not sure if im doing anything wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Parz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Kari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazanalic_Lake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Armenia

Previous block for trolling

I would like some good differences in the history of either your or InShaneee's user talk page showing that he blocked you for trolling, calling it a personal attack. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Precisely why I'd like it - it shows that he is hypocritical and is easily provoked by anyone talking back to him. If he really did block you for calling him a hypocrite, then that'll reeeeally hurt him. If not, the comment that you shouldn't call someone a troll is a rule that he clearly feels he isn't obliged to follow. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The example of him saying accusing people of trolling is bad will do wonders, but InShaneee can argue that the block was over incivility, although it does seem that you were more punished for talking back to him than you were prevented from doing damage to Wikipedia. It'll do. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Cyprus

More or less, yes... It seems that the British needed badly Cyprus as a colony, to serve their petroleum and not only interests in the area... And even when they could not keep the island, they managed to keep two 'sovereign bases'... Thus, Cyprus is the only EU country that has a large part of it, 37%, occupied by a non-EU country (the turkish troops in the north), a small part of it, 3%, as bases of another EU country, and another small part, 2%, under UN administration (the buffer zone). and still some people pretend to be surprised when the Greek Cypriots are shouting... Hypocrysy in all its glory! Hectorian 01:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, u may be interested to have a look in a link i found earlier today [1]. Rightfully, it is the first topic in the news in Greece. Regards Hectorian 02:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Russian Mountain

Hey im currently building this mountain article im testing it on my page its definitely no where near done but the image i got it from Google print screen shot is that a violation also? Nareklm 02:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nareklm/mountain

The duduk

Hey i don't think not mentioning that the Armenians were actually the first to create this instrument is just dumb people shouldn't say anything just because there country uses it doesn't mean its actually theres meaning it originated in there country for example Turks, Serbians, Georgians it is a armenian instrument and it will stay an armenian instrument the Armenians have ancient inscriptions showing how they used it in pictures etc. These things piss me off people twisting history all this does is cause more drama in a few hundred years they'll probably say it originated in turkey. Nareklm 15:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duduk

Interesting...

Did you happen to notice this?: http://www.april24.net/pictures/detail.asp?iType=35&iPic=267 in comparison with this: Image:Women and children killed by armenians in Kars.jpg. It looks as though the Turkish government has reached a new low in historical revisionism. -- Clevelander 00:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

please hav e a look

Dear Eupator

[[2]]

It is similar Armeniapedia which I also support. --alidoostzadeh 03:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright image

Hey i uploaded this image from this website do i need to add the link to the picture?

Website: http://www.hyeetch.nareg.com.au/

Image:Mesrobma.JPG

Merci. Nareklm 17:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikiproject Armenia

Well i didn't mean it in a bad way pita was part of the Armenian cuisine so i thought if i added it , it would have relevance along with Lebanon's president who is half Armenian. Nareklm 22:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Back

Hey. I'm in and out actually, but i'm checking in more than usual. What's up? Tombseye 17:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Anahit

I thought I found that on an RA government website, but after looking it up again, apparently I didn't! I fixed the tag, etc. -- Clevelander 23:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Izmir

Hi, do you think you could add the (presumably western Armenian) transliteration to the 'Իզմիր' at the İzmir article. Most non-Armenians (such as myself) haven't got a clue how that would be pronounced.--Euthymios 00:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Mshakouyt

Ներողություն, մեծ hայրս Լեբանոնից է (he's used that word so much), էտ բառի արտասնությունը միշտ շշկռվումեմ ;) --MarshallBagramyan 03:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Marx

I saw your anti-Marx userbox and just had to have one, so I snitched yours. Hope you don't mind Thanatosimii 06:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Trdat I

Hi Eupator, I'm taking a look at the article you sent me. I think the opening paragraphs need some work in order to highlight the significant points of this man. I don't want to do major editing to the article itself, but will mention these here. Specifically:

1. It might be better to move the meaning of his name to the body of the article itself.
2. I don't understand what is meant by "...and a Greek concubine." Concubine in modern terms means basically a mistress, and in Roman times seems to me to have meant something derogatory too (at least renaming it to concubinus would be better).
3. Perhaps you can use the following quote to work on the opening paragraph:

   "Roman-Parthian conflict in and over Armenia had been resolved with the agreement that Tiridates, brother of Vologases of Parthia, be crowned king of Armenia by the Roman emperor, Nero...

   "Tiridates' coronation marked him as a client king...

   "On the other hand, it could be held that Nero had de facto ceded Armenia to Parthia. At least some contemporary sources felt this."

   (I think a few words on the significance of his ascension in regards to ongoing Roman-Parthian battles over Armenia would be nice in the intro.)

4. I think it should be noted in the opening sentence that he was the first Arsacid to rule Armenia, and when his rule as king began. In the same source I mention above (this time pg. 2, the first time Trdat is mentioned) I read the following quote which you might find useful in the intro paragraphs (to get another perspective at what his noteworthy points are):

"An earlier visit to the west, Tiridates, brother of the Arsacid king of Parthia and the first Arsacid to rule Armenia, enjoys a very different kind of memorial. Tiridates visited Rome in AD 66, in the reign of the emperor Nero. The great states of Rome and Parthia had struggled to dominate Armenia, and had eventually reached a compromise. Armenia was to be ruled by Tiridates but he was to receive the crown from Nero. There is a case for saying that Tiridates' state visit is commemorated every year even now. For Tiridates was not only a king, but also a priest of the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism. He was a magnus and brought other magi to Rome with him. It was about the same time that St Matthew's Gospel recorded a journey of wise men from the east to the infant Jesus in Bethlehem. Tiridates' journey seems to have contributed some elements to Iranian legend, and it may also lie behind the later Christian legend of the Three Magi. There may be a faint reminiscence of Tiridates' visit in the activities of hundreds of tiny children each year in Nativity plays."

I'll continue to review the rest of the article...Serouj 07:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

>Trivia sections are not allowed for FA candidate articles.

I see. OK, then I'll have to stick it back into the intro, unless if there's another section like a "trivia" one that we can place interesting factoids in. Serouj 05:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Yerevan lake

Hey im currently working on Yerevan lake, I found it while searching on Google map and theres very good information around and i was wondering if this is source to put in?

Yerevan

There's also a picture of it mostly a painting or drawing. Nareklm 21:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I mean like for the links not copying.

Battle of Avarayr

Hey on Avarayr im confused it says "Result Sassanid victory" i thought hayastan won? Nareklm 02:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hayastan is widely and commonly known and used i never heard anyone use hayq, even in our language. Nareklm 03:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Well i know what you mean by military but the main issue was converting the Armenians to becoming Muslim right? So i think mentioning that might be helpful because they did not succeed. Nareklm 17:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Sardarapat

I also updated the statistics of the casualties and war casualties from this website if its a reliable source? Armenian history Nareklm 03:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

mediation page is open

pls put signature for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Urartu --Dacy69 22:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you going to join mediation procedure?--Dacy69 22:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mediation -- Middle Eastern Americans

I have opened the case Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-07 Inclusion of Armenians in Definition of Middle Eastern Americans of which you have been named a respondent party. Do you wish to participate in this informal mediation with me acting as mediator? Alan.ca 08:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Armens

Than is Metsamor Inhabitance better for a title?

Also may i ask how do you know that the image of an helmet is Urartian. Nareklm 20:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the Armenian story both tribes mixed and formed the Armenians? Or urartu. They were tribes indeed. I removed the history part because i realized that it was misrepresenting information but now it looks fine. Nareklm 02:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Aper stag miben sukalle aerem? Kingdom of Lori-Joraget im not sure. (If it has been created with a different name etc) Nareklm 03:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Also do you know the name of this Armenian sweet? I think it was cigarette. Nareklm 19:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I see i diddnt really know about it merci. Nareklm 20:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Urartu page

Eupator, please ask the admins even to check the IP and edit history if you dont believe me. Those parts I showed from Urartu's page were already there. Ararat arev 23:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Illuminated manuscript

Can i request deletion than? Nareklm 05:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean thats not how it works arev?

What do you mean? Im adding another book of Martiros Kavoukjian and other scholars also. Why are you removing them? Its the same historian and scholar! Ararat arev 17:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Just tell me why. I see the same scholar there man. Ararat arev 17:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Why did Dbachmann remove all of the Proto-Armenian language we made of all the scholars and historians?? Ararat arev 17:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Rafael Ishkhanyan, "Illustrated History of Armenia," Yerevan, 1989

Rafael Ishkhanyan points out the Sumerian words in Armenian, and its link with Hurrian as well

Ararat arev 17:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Martiros Kavoukjian, "Armenia, Subartu and Sumer", Montreal, 1989

The two charts of Sumerian words in Armenian are from Martiros

File:Armeni-Sumerian.jpg File:Armeni-Sumerian2.jpg WHY??? Ararat arev 17:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hovick Nersessian, "Highlands of Armenia," Los Angeles 1998

Hovick points out that in the cuneiform inscriptions of Mitanni and Urartu, are found Armenian words and even some sentences which are used today in Armenian. Ararat arev 17:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Martiros Kavoukjian, "The Genesis of Armenian people," Montreal, 1982 Mr. Kavoukjian explains the royal families of Mitanni spoke Hurrian, but not the common people. Ararat arev 17:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Its the same guy you guys have in the References!! Martiros Kavoukjian ! Ararat arev 17:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Dbachmann doesnt even explain why. You ddint even explain why. Those charts I read them man they have Armenian words. Its right man. You dont even read Armenian do you?? Also answer on Martiros Kavoukjian since you guys have the references. Here is just one more I have ?? Why is that dab guy removing it ??? Ararat arev 17:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Assistance needed

Have you seen this?: Template:Countries of Europe

They're trying to completely remove Cyprus and Armenia from this template. -- Clevelander 21:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

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Armenia Portal

Is there anyway we can put this? Or is it not encyclopedic.

File:Tigranmetscoin.jpg

A recent ABC News article May 19, 2004 noted that according to the Armenian and Italian researchers the "Symbol on his crown that features a star with a curved tail may represent the passage of Halley's comet in 87 BC. Tigranes' could have seen Halley's comet when it passed closest to the Sun on Aug. 6 in 87 BC according to the researchers, who said the comet would have been a 'most recordable event' -- heralding the New Era of the brilliant King of Kings.

Nareklm 08:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

atheist

Maybe you dont. Regards. Must^TC 19:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Please advise

I'd appreciate your input here. [3] This is a "Gun control by state page" that was temporarily changed to "Firearm laws by state" because of 2 person to 1 "consensus." This page is linked from "Gun Control" subsection found in the parent article "Gun Politics." Anyways, it's right up your alley. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 05:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Complimenti

Congratulations! At the end you got it eh, that shiny star ;-) As a humble proof of my esteem, let me award you this barnstar for your work on ancient armenian history. And Happy Christmas! :-)--Aldux 17:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

		The Epic Barnstar
		For your fantastic work on ancient Armenian history, and in particular for your creating and bringing to featured status pratically alone Tiridates I.--Aldux 17:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Technajunky block

You might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Permanently blocked User:Technajunky. Khoikhoi 19:45, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

History of Armenia Template

Shouldn't we have a separate menu for the Armenian empire? Like wars etc? Nareklm 20:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Does it matter? There was alot of history behind it. Nareklm 20:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying make a new template but just add the Armenian empire separately with the wars on the history of Armenia template. Nareklm 01:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Well you put it in a way he was a horrible king and that his nick name was just made up :-) Nareklm 01:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Plus are you sure it was 25 years?

355 years.

"B.C." is an abreviation of "before Christ." A.D. is an abreviation of "Anno Domini" which is Latin for "[the] year (anno) [of our] Lord (Domini.)"

The Politically Correct (but highly disingeuous) way of saying it these days is "B.C.E." ("before common era") and "C.E." ("common era").

O_o Okay but Kingdom of Armenia says 190 BC to AD 165 isn't that supposed to mean approximately 355 years. Nareklm 01:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Well wasn't Kingdom of Armenia Tigranes the greats empire? Nareklm 01:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow man what ever. Nareklm 01:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been working on this i added alot of references i think today i made about 5 articles a record low ^-^ Trdat the Architect you think i need more references or am i good for now? Nareklm 05:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Thank you, Eupator. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too. The Menteshev article was well-read. I live in Tbilisi, and will try to take a few shots of buildings built or purchased by him. Best, --Kober 05:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

About "linguists" or "language"

Tell Dacy69 and Thanasimii to remove those parts about "linguists" or "language". Those are suppose to go in the "language" pages. They're trying to get their way in the History of Armenia by mentioning these language issues. Tell them to put that in the "language" places atleast. Let them make their claims there. Ararat arev 06:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually those claims are already there, which I put about loanwords and long language contact with Hurrian elite language. So we need to make sure it sounds right that its a elite language and as you see also not a different ethnic group. Ararat arev 06:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Urartu article dispute

Hi Eupator. User:Dacy69 has made a request for assistance in the editing of the Urartu article. According to Dacy69, the dispute centres on differing views on the ethnic composition of Urartu. I note that you are a very experienced Wiki editor, and that you have been working on Armenian related articles for over a year. You are clearly a committed and knowledgeable editor who is respected by other editors working in your field, and you have gained several Wiki awards for your work.

Dacy69's request is for "neutral wording of section "Ethnic Composition" of page Urartu". From my reading of the situation, it appears that Dacy69 would like information about the Hurrit tribe to be included in the article, while you do not. Is that correct? It also appears that Dacy69 has provided evidence that some scholars believe the Hurrit tribe did live in Urartu. Is the evidence he provides correct? If the evidence is correct, and some scholars are saying that the Hurrit tribe did live in Urartu, then what is your objection to that appearing in the article? SilkTork 11:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Alexander Mantashev , was selected for DYK!

On December 28, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alexander Mantashev , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 21:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Shad hedak'rkir! --RaffiKojian 03:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No they all (I mean all Armenians not others) spoke that elite language

This is the correct way that they all spoke that elite langauge at that time. As we both see its not a different ethnic people, but our ancestors that spoke this elite language. Which the words and sentences in them are still in Armenian. Its like when they used Akkadian cuneiform but yet they were Hurrian. So we borrowed from like Akkadian and etc. Ararat arev 23:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, Nairi , Nahrin, and Nahrineh are Armenian girls names. Nahrin is exactly the way the Egyptians referred to Mitanni. Make sure you mention to these guys those points so we prove our history, cause they keep thinking we are from 500 BC. Ararat arev 23:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, the Armeni which Assyrians to this day refer to us by their 3rd millennium BC. Ararat arev 23:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok but you see that we borrowed like from Akkadian ? This shows its our ethnicity, but we just borrowed from other writings, like Akkadian. Hurrian was what we spoke you agreed with me that its not a different ethnic group. Its our people but we used that language, which is Armenian, but changed over time. Ararat arev 23:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

By saying "all" I didnt mean all people at that time in the world. Didnt misunderstand if thats what you thought my "all" Ararat arev 23:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Dont curse. Mitanni is also IE with Hurrian. Proto-IE which is afterwards when Persians and Indians (Aryans) seperated from us. Ararat arev 23:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

You cant argue with that, I mean were not 500 BC IE people in Armenia. We are the IE roots from the Armenian Highlands. Ararat arev 23:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

This is the best example I can think of

"This letter is written in Akkadian, the diplomatic language of Mesopotamia at the time. It is addressed to Amenhotep III from Tushratta, king of Mitanni"

You see Akkadian was used at the time of Mitanni.

So Hurrian or Hurro-Urartian was used at Urartu's time. The "ethnogenesis" of our people is the same though. Ararat arev 05:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Use of language

Hi again. In dealing with the request for assistance from Dacy69 regarding the editing of Urartu, I have looked into the way you have been communicating with Dacy69. He is unhappy about the way you have spoken to him. Tempers have clearly got heated over the editing itself, and people have not conducted themselves in the best possible manner at all times. This has happened to all of us at times, and you have not been nasty so much as irritated. However, I have said to Dacy69 that I would speak to you in a friendly manner, pointing out that as the senior and more experienced Wikipedia editor you could have been more careful in your choice of words to a newcomer. Even when you feel that a new editor is clearly mistaken, and you are getting frustrated by what may be very bad behaviour, it might be an idea to pause and look twice at what you have written. More progress can often be made by a softer choice of words. SilkTork 18:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

He is not a newcomer. He's an Azeri Turk who has only been involved in Armenian articles ever since he registered for obvious reasons. I have considerable evidence to request a checkuser as I suspect he's a sockpuppet of User:AdilBaguirov.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 18:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I have looked at the edits of both users. There appears to be no reason to call for a check. Mostly the editing does not overlap, other than the curious incident of editing on the Uratu article on Dec 11th which is supportive of Dacy69 and occurs directly after Dacy69 stopped editing. That incident apart, there is no evidence of misuse of the accounts. The editing on Dec 11th would be frowned upon if it was Dacy69 as being misleading, but is not in itself disruptive enough to justify a check. Given the available evidence I would suggest we continue to treat Dacy69 as a new editor, and give him the benefit of the doubt. Naturally, future edits by AdilBaguirov which are supportive of Dacy69 would be looked at closely. SilkTork 19:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Different languages, different times

Let Thanasimmii know about this:

There were different languages spoken at those times, and there are different languages (and even multiple languages) spoke now. For example, before ww2, French was spoken by Armenians too. Doesnt mean Armenians were French. This is the same issue, Mitanni used Akkadian at that "time", doesnt mean Mitanni was Akkadian ethnicity. Same goes with Urartu's time, doesnt mean the language is the reason to say "Oh look see, thats not Armenians!". The language was used at that "time" and also Armenian was spoken as well, just like the examples I gave you of today. Ararat arev 21:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

And this is not original sources, when I say Assyrians to this day refer to Armenians by Armeni from 4,500 year inscriptions they wrote. Artak Movsisyan points this out in his books. Ararat arev 21:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thats the main proof that we have of our long history. The Haik story is coming from Armeni(Armens tribe) Ararat arev 21:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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Kardez

Es mek kardez dnel ooo enk? Es arachvanen avelee jeeshd er.

75.28.33.43 20:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Happy New Year!

Շնորհաւոր նոր տարի եւ Սուրբ Ծնունդ - Fedayee 19:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

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Khoikhoi 20:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I found a good source

Encyclopedia Americana, v. 2, USA 1980, pgs. 539, 541

Mentions Urartu (Armenia), and also about the writing of cuneiform, it says is ancient Armenian writing.

Hovick Nersessian, "Highlands of Armenia," Los Angeles, 2000.

Mr. Nersessian is in the New York Academy of Sciences.

RE:Inline citations

Thanks for the information, but is there a way to indicate that the book is Armenian? Usually, I say "Translated from Armenian:" or "Translated from the Armenian:" in front of the citation template. Anyway, I'll try to fix the ibids... -- Davo88 20:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, now look at the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia article. As you see, I've written "29-30, 33-36, 42-47, 53-56" for the pages. Is that good or should I rather put "29-56" instead? -- Davo88 20:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't see an ISBN number in any of the 3 volume... There is in fact no bar code, probably because it is sold in certain school circles only. Are you searching for it? If you want to verify something, I would gladly scan a few pages for you. -- Davo88 21:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you think?

I updated this image. Tell me what you think. -- Clevelander 00:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey I haven't heard back from you regarding those images. Do you have them yet? -- Clevelander 20:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

When I was making the collage, I came upon those two Andranik photos. I didn't care for either because the first was too wavey and the second was too dark. The picture I have now was the best one I could find online (it comes from the cover of the "General Andranik and the Armenian Revolutionary Movement" book). I'm sure I can dig up another photograph of him from a book and then scan it. I agree that the Mashtots photograph is poor, but I don't want to change it until I've found an alternative. If you like, we could use the statue of him from Yerevan, but I personally prefer an illustration. I too became a bit disturbed that there aren't any scientists included. I would use Victor Hambartsumian but the only really nice photograph that was available online was on Wikipedia and somebody went ahead and deleted it because it had the PD-Soviet tag. -- Clevelander 21:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Save for Andranik, I think now I've got a good images for everyone. BTW, what's wrong with the present image of Bayrakdarian? -- Clevelander 23:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I decided to add both St. Isaac and Hambartsumian to the mix. I don't follow you in regards to your edit patterns and their relation to Bayrakdarian's photograph. Does it have to do with your userbox on redheads? -- Clevelander 00:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

There are ten people in the collage. They appear like like so:

Top row: Tigranes the Great, Gregory the Illuminator, St. Mesrob Mashtots, St. Isaac, Ivan Aivazovsky, and General Andranik Ozanian

Bottom row: Tigran Petrosian, Isabel Bayrakdarian, Aram Khachaturian, Charles Aznavour, Viktor Hambartsumyan, and William Saroyan.

I think Bayrakdarian actually looks more attractive in the one we have now. She looks almost French there. Overall, that photograph just looks more European, in my view. -- Clevelander 00:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Hmm.. Maybe you are right actually. I think that I will revert back to your version. Sometimes I get so used to articles that I start forgetting what uninformed readers might think :) Baristarim 01:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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