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But still, even though the lie in Wikipedia is so fast, the truth will finally catch up! 2A02:A445:FBD4:1:D4DF:7CEC:5BCD:BDCC (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done – please clarify It is not clear what edit you wish us to make. Slatersteven (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that COVID19 would not cause more deaths than influenza in Germany

I saw Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi in a video. I am a researcher myself and I do not understand either how they have dealt with correlation, causality, predictions, etc. during the pandemic. To me, the science has been disastrous. In this sense, I want to focus on one sentence only to show that also in this Wikipedia entry the science is bad. The sentence in the main article, under Bhakdi's criticisms of the COVID-19 pandemic response, goes: "Posting videos on YouTube claiming, for example, that the government was overreacting because the virus posed no more threat than influenza" ^[1]

I would like to see proof against the above statement that does not rely on unsound or extremely dubious assumptions. In its place I provide evidence that supports the above claim, namely, in Germany the waves of COVID19 have been similar to waves of influenza prior to vaccination and after vaccination. For evidence please check ^[2]. The peaks of deaths for Germany do not show evidence of any sort of a COVID19 pandemic that could be distinguished from any typical influenza season. Saying otherwise implies making up arbitrary stories about the data. No statistician, nor a single data scientist that I would trust, could find a severe wave of deaths that would indicate that a viral pandemic, posing more threat than influenza, has taken place in Germany from 2020 to 2022. Any attempt to claim that this is the case because of 1) the vaccines, 2) the measures, must explain why the peak in spring 2020 was smaller than the peak in the winters of 2020/2021 and 2021/2022. Invoking common sense or obviousness, i.e., a blind belief in lock-downs and vaccines, is not enough to invoke causation.

For credibility I would write something like "The data for Germany during the 2020-2022 period however does not support the hypothesis that there has been an excess of deaths above what would be expected during a mild to severe influenza season".

In summary, I challenge anybody to find a wave significantly different from an influenza wave in Germany over the past years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sm06ssh (talk • contribs) 18:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Read wp:or. Slatersteven (talk) 18:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, English text is written from left to right and from top to bottom. I moved this section where it belongs. --Hob Gadling (talk) 22:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I also don't know how to add figures here. If I have time later I will try and learn to add one. Sm06ssh (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps it’s time to revise this article, and remove the accusations put on him? It seems to me he was right. 81.231.239.146 (talk) 13:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you think he was right, we go by what wp:rs say, not our wp:or. Slatersteven (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest the removal of the term Misinformation

Dr Bhakdi presented an different viewpoint that predicted clotting issues which now are coming back into the mainstream after the FDA reported thromboses are caused by the vaccines. Calling his views misinformation shows a bias which Wikipedia shouldn't have. Bruce A. WIlliamson (talk) 16:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi

[2] ttps://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

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	Dr Bhakdi presented an different viewpoint that predicted clotting issues which now are coming back into the mainstream after the FDA reported thromboses are caused by the vaccines. [[User:Bruce A. WIlliamson\|Bruce A. WIlliamson]] ([[User talk:Bruce A. WIlliamson\|talk]]) 16:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)		Dr Bhakdi presented an different viewpoint that predicted clotting issues which now are coming back into the mainstream after the FDA reported thromboses are caused by the vaccines. Calling his views misinformation shows a bias which Wikipedia shouldn't have. [[User:Bruce A. WIlliamson\|Bruce A. WIlliamson]] ([[User talk:Bruce A. WIlliamson\|talk]]) 16:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)