Talk:Ukraine

Map legend

The map legend reads "Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine prior to the 2022 Russian invasion" for the uncontrolled territories prior to the ongoing Russian invasion. However, the only territory directly occupied by Russia before the invasion was Crimea. The region of Donbass was occupied by pro-Russian separatists with unofficial support from Russia. To my knowledge, this is what all reliable sources claim, and it should not be controversial to consider this a good faith mistake. I suggest we change it back to what it was before, either "Occupied/annexed territories prior to the 2022 Russian invasion" or "Claimed but uncontrolled territory prior to the 2022 Russian invasion" or something in the lines of "Russia and pro-Russian separatists-occupied territory prior to the 2022 Russian Invasion" to present the Russian involvement in a more accurate manner. 187.71.138.117 (talk) 00:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

After the recognition of the republics on 21 February 2022, Russian troops were sent there. Mellk (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Geography of Ukraine

The area of Ukraine and it's demographics are clearly not up to date with the changes in recent years and recent months. It's still considered as it was before russian annexation of Crimea and Donbas. Perhaps this is a matter to be taken in consideration. 2A02:2F01:8E08:3B00:F1:6416:C98D:A1F (talk) 12:55, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

The area of Ukraine and ITS (not IT'S) demographics. So what are you suggesting? That we rewrite Wikipedia to ratify the Putinist position that Crimea and Donbas are Russia, not Ukraine? Perhaps you'd like to try the Russian Wikipedia first. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Ack! Someone removed OP's (or is it VP's?) gaslighting, doublespeak response--and created an edit conflict with my own brilliant retort. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I guess it depends -- does Wikipedia recognize de facto reality or de jure reality?

De facto -- the Donbas are part of Russia (annexed) just as assuredly as the Golan Heights are part of Israel.

De jure -- few states will recognize the annexation

Question -- the US never really recognized the incorporation of the Baltic states into the USSR following WW2. Did Wikipedia show a map with the de facto reality (i.e. part of USSR) or the USA de jure reality (still independent but occupied)?

The answer should guide action here. Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 18:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Strange

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Very strange that many African countries are downgraded in their HDI but Ukraine figure is still left for more than 2 years even with the war raging which means obv it's per capita income and HDI have gone drastically down but the majority of white editors ignore it and concentrate on downgrading African countries on purpose Nlivataye (talk) 10:02, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I am reasonably confident the various HDI gnomes are not part of some random and pointless conspiracy. CMD (talk) 14:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

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National anthem

Please replace the anthem audio with one of these authentic (performed by Ukrainian orchestras) renditions: Президентський_оркестр_Гімн.ogg or Anthem_of_Ukraine_instrumental.ogg. VSL (talk) 01:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

A change like this one would need consensus. The audio file that is currently in the article is a performance by Veryovka Ukrainian Folk Choir, an authentic Ukrainian musical group. This group has even been recognized with a stamp in their honor. So they clearly qualify as sufficiently Ukrainian. EdJohnston (talk) 23:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@EdJohnston You are not right. Check the current audio. VSL (talk) 23:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see; what we have here currently is the US Navy band. But, if you want to replace the present recording with a different one, how about choosing a choral version rather than instrumental? The US Navy version is instrumental. The one by the Veryovka choir in State Anthem of Ukraine gives you a sung version of the anthem plus English subtitles for the words. The two new .ogg files that you propose above are once again just instrumental. EdJohnston (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

There is also a more complete 1916 vocal performing: Ukrainian_national_anthem_1916_(complete).ogg

So a poll may be taken here for which version (or two versions: instrumental and vocal) to include:

Президентський_оркестр_Гімн.ogg

File:Anthem of Ukraine instrumental.ogg Anthem_of_Ukraine_instrumental.ogg

File:Anthem-of-Ukraine Chorus Veryovka.ogg Anthem-of-Ukraine_Chorus_Veryovka.ogg

Ukrainian_national_anthem_1916_(complete).ogg

VSL (talk) 04:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Currently the last one (1916 complete) is tagged as public domain. For the other 3 I'm unsure which of the copyright exemptions these fall under. "works of folk art (folklore)"? CMD (talk) 04:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)