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:“The most common [cheeses used as a topping for pizzas] are Mozzarella, Provolone, Parmesan, and Romano”. Hawaiian pizzas are “often blended with mozzarella” because of the texture mozzarella cheese has once it's baked in the oven. Mozzarella and aged cheddar cheese blended on Hawaiian pizza creates “better texture and flavor characteristics” overall because this blend results in an “increased production of organic acids, and proteolytic”. Mozzarella specifically “has ideal melting and stretching properties” and “it has just enough moisture to brown and bubble without burning as the pizza bakes”. Adding "a water-soaking pretreatment step [to] low-fat and fat-free [mozzarella] cheese shreds” helps improve the characteristic of Hawaiian pizza pies. Mozzarella is “molded into spheres or ovals and stored in water to keep it moist” allowing the cheese to be processed, shipped, and sold without spoiling. This process allows pizza makers to prolong its shelf life, permitting them to store larger quantities of mozzarella. |
:“The most common [cheeses used as a topping for pizzas] are Mozzarella, Provolone, Parmesan, and Romano”. Hawaiian pizzas are “often blended with mozzarella” because of the texture mozzarella cheese has once it's baked in the oven. Mozzarella and aged cheddar cheese blended on Hawaiian pizza creates “better texture and flavor characteristics” overall because this blend results in an “increased production of organic acids, and proteolytic”. Mozzarella specifically “has ideal melting and stretching properties” and “it has just enough moisture to brown and bubble without burning as the pizza bakes”. Adding "a water-soaking pretreatment step [to] low-fat and fat-free [mozzarella] cheese shreds” helps improve the characteristic of Hawaiian pizza pies. Mozzarella is “molded into spheres or ovals and stored in water to keep it moist” allowing the cheese to be processed, shipped, and sold without spoiling. This process allows pizza makers to prolong its shelf life, permitting them to store larger quantities of mozzarella. |
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== Origin of Hawaiian Pizza == |
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The article begins claiming that it originated in Canada (with a whopping SIX citations, potentially violating [[WP:OVERCITE]]). |
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However, in the archives of the talk section, a two users noted that the original sources were uncited and lead to circular references, as other websites cited the original unsourced claim, and the article began citing those websites. |
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Furthermore, additional research has come about casting doubt on the original claim. |
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[https://passionatefoodie.blogspot.com/2021/05/pizza-history-in-us-part-2-true-origin.html This link] shows many references to both Hawaiian Pizza, pineapple on pizza, and the combination of pineapple and pork products on pizza, well before the claimed creation in 1962. Furthermore, it would not be a stretch for Mr. Panopoulos to have claimed inventing Hawaiian Pizza as it would likely drive traffic to his restaurant. I would argue that this article be rewritten to mention the many instances of variations of Hawaiian Pizza before Mr. Panopoulos's claimed creation, and not speak so definitively on the origins of the style of pizza. [[Special:Contributions/50.193.29.109|50.193.29.109]] ([[User talk:50.193.29.109|talk]]) 23:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Italy
I added a line reporting how Italy is disgusted by this "dish", and my edit was reverted. It is still considered ( although we Italians are offended by) a variety of pizza, and so the opinion most diffused in the country should be present in the article, otherwise it would be fair not to call it even "pizza".--62.10.49.89 (talk) 10:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Politicians and celebs expressing their distaste for Hawaiian Pizza - just an attempt to appeal to the youth
If you read the article, you would come to the conclusion, that some remarks of the Icelandic president in 2017 and the following statements were the start of a public cultural debate about Hawaiian pizza. However, the disgust about putting pineapple on pizza (or defending it) was already a popular topic in internet culture back then, and those politicians clearly just jumped on the bandwagon. That should be made clear in the article. --2A02:1210:248C:1500:3022:84FF:D9D7:AC37 (talk) 15:07, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 August 2022 and 7 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): KMD2022, Shoelace01, TruLegend3 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Mlclark1, Vmcostan, Theonly.tywhite, Tmjacks7, Ryandelorbe.
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Breakdown of toppings
I would like to added a breakdown of the traditional toppings on Hawaiian pizza. Maybe adding a section on ideal cheese blends that would create the ultimate cheese traits and flavors. Like what blend of cheese create the best textures or what cheese blends pair well with the Hawaiian style pizza. Shoelace01 (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Cheese" Section proposal: (I have references on one of my sandboxes)
- “The most common [cheeses used as a topping for pizzas] are Mozzarella, Provolone, Parmesan, and Romano”. Hawaiian pizzas are “often blended with mozzarella” because of the texture mozzarella cheese has once it's baked in the oven. Mozzarella and aged cheddar cheese blended on Hawaiian pizza creates “better texture and flavor characteristics” overall because this blend results in an “increased production of organic acids, and proteolytic”. Mozzarella specifically “has ideal melting and stretching properties” and “it has just enough moisture to brown and bubble without burning as the pizza bakes”. Adding "a water-soaking pretreatment step [to] low-fat and fat-free [mozzarella] cheese shreds” helps improve the characteristic of Hawaiian pizza pies. Mozzarella is “molded into spheres or ovals and stored in water to keep it moist” allowing the cheese to be processed, shipped, and sold without spoiling. This process allows pizza makers to prolong its shelf life, permitting them to store larger quantities of mozzarella.
- Shoelace01 (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Origin of Hawaiian Pizza
The article begins claiming that it originated in Canada (with a whopping SIX citations, potentially violating WP:OVERCITE).
However, in the archives of the talk section, a two users noted that the original sources were uncited and lead to circular references, as other websites cited the original unsourced claim, and the article began citing those websites. Furthermore, additional research has come about casting doubt on the original claim.
This link shows many references to both Hawaiian Pizza, pineapple on pizza, and the combination of pineapple and pork products on pizza, well before the claimed creation in 1962. Furthermore, it would not be a stretch for Mr. Panopoulos to have claimed inventing Hawaiian Pizza as it would likely drive traffic to his restaurant. I would argue that this article be rewritten to mention the many instances of variations of Hawaiian Pizza before Mr. Panopoulos's claimed creation, and not speak so definitively on the origins of the style of pizza. 50.193.29.109 (talk) 23:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
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