Talk:2023 Messenia migrant boat disaster

Location in title

Might Messinia be more usefully identifying and precise in the title than Peloponnese, which is a rather broad and sweeping geographical identifier? Messinia sums it up best in my mind, since it happened off the coast from Pylos, but that's also just a mere mention in most stories and the rescue operated out of Kalamata, so the overall story is somewhat pan-Messinian in nature. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:11, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Although the headlines that do mention a place in the title appear to prefer Pylos, e.g. [1], and that would have the added advantage of being significantly more concise than the present title, as well as compared with the Messinia option. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Relevance of NATO?

Some editors keep editing the Background section to include a mention of NATO's involvement in the 2011 Libyan civil war. There is no clear relation between NATO and the current crisis, or the background of the crisis. Is there any compelling reason to include a mention of NATO in the article? Gzr1899 (talk) 02:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Not really. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:16, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Unit of distance (from Pylos)

The ship sank around 50 miles (80 km) off the coast of Pylos [SNIP]. The distance should be given in kilometres first and then in miles in parentheses. However, should it be in nautical miles rather than (statute) miles? Perhaps both? —71.105.243.101 (talk) 10:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Most quoted sources seem to be leading with 80km, with parenthetical 50 miles, though Reuters began with 50 miles. However Greek official news agency AMNA consistently gives 47 nautical miles, southwest of Pylos [2][3][4]. Davidships (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Depth is similarly given in feet, an Imperial unit that none of the countries involved use. Rama (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Civilian rescue efforts?

Several sources report that two civilian vessels took on migrants, should this be reflected? ABC news Bloomberg One Faraway (talk) 07:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think all rescue efforts should be added for context Κυπρομέδουσα (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Number missing

The precise-looking "568" for the number of missing is completely spurious. So far as I can see, it has been used by one Greek journalist, Vassilis Lambropoulos, and is nothing more that a subtraction of the currently-known number of those rescued (104) amd confirmed dead (78) from 750, the highest of the widely-varying estimates of the total number on board between 400 and "up to 750". I have removed the Guardian article from the citations for "568" missing as it make no mention of it, it only reports the police as saying "as many as 500" missing and that "Reports suggested up to 750" were on board. None of the quoted figures for total number on board seem to be more likely than any of the others so, for numbers in WP voice, it is better to have "persons on board not known, and estimates vary between 400 and 750", and not use any precise figure for the number missing. Davidships (talk) 20:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it's clearly nonsense - 750 is no more that an upper guesstimate, and some journalist doing some back-of-napkin math based on that does not suddenly yield a figure that we can treat as somehow legit and viable for usage in Wikivoice. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)