Talk:Barron Trump

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 02:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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Barron Trump

• ... that Barron Trump (pictured) signed for D.C. United Academy as a midfielder?

• Source: NBC Sports

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/6:16 in LA

Converted from a redirect by ElijahPepe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC).

• I will review this nomination. GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  • The article is new enough (created from redirect on 10 May 2024‎), long enough, copyvio-free, and policy compliant. The hook is cited by a reliable source and is interesting. The image is in the public domain, used in the article, and is clear at 140x140px. QPQ not required. Only issue is that the lede section is too short. There are a few areas in the article that are yet to be addressed in the lede so fixing that should be only a small fix. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    • I disagree that the lede is short. Prince George of Wales is a good article despite the lede. If you have any suggestions on what to add, I'll include them. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
      • @GMH Melbourne: I have edited the lede. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
        • Thank you. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2024

The article states that "[Barron] Trump is the youngest person to reside in the White House..." I suggest this be removed, as I see no citation of this fact, and it would seem to be that plenty of younger people have resided in the White House. For example, JFK Jr., mentioned later in the very same sentence. 173.61.47.117 (talk) 00:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done The sentence states that Trump is the youngest person to reside in the White House since Kennedy. In addition, Trump is the first son since Kennedy. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2024 (2)

At the end of his Education section, add “which is yet to be confirmed” or something like that, at the end of the sentence that says he plans to attend NYU, since it isn’t confirmed yet 2600:1001:B145:D082:9899:AEBF:84AC:CA86 (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done The claim is made by Joanna Coles, not a definitive statement. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

This whole article is written like some sort of joke

This paragraph is particularly bizarre:

Barron Trump has been likened to Roman emperor Augustus Caesar, paralleling the comparison of his father, Donald Trump, to Roman general and statesman Julius Caesar. These comparisons, spurred by Barron's viral images, particularly from early 2024, suggesting a potential for future leadership. Just as Augustus brought stability after Julius Caesar's tumultuous rule and transformed the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire, some see Barron as a potential stabilizing figure who could similarly transform the United States from a republic into an empire following his father's contentious legacy.

It sounds like it's endorsing the metaphor. "Some see Barron as a potential stabilizing figure" - "some" implies it's a relatively widespread belief? It's the way you'd structure a sentence about a historical figure or a literary character - "some believe he represents..." etc. 202.36.244.217 (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I just saw this. This entire page seems odd. Tone feels like a tabloid or conspiracy website. Ludus56 (talk) 22:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Turns out the majority of the page has been written by User:ElijahPepe. Ludus56 (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

If you have an issue with content, WP:BEBOLD. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I certainly plan on it. Ludus56 (talk) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe You've listed this at WP:3O, but I don't see an actual dispute. You removed the offending paragraph yourself [1]. I've removed the listing from 3O and am happy to mediate any further content disputes, but this situation already looks resolved to me. Toadspike [Talk] 06:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm referring to the removal of another paragraph, the previous third paragraph that was split by another user. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 06:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe You want to explain why fanfiction and other conspiracy drivel do not fall under WP:BLPGOSSIP? Your revert adds extremely questionable material that breaks BLP at the very least. Soni (talk) 16:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Fan-fiction and conspiracy theories are not gossip. If Trump's public image is shaped by erroneous and fanatical views, that should be mentioned. This is not Simple English Wikipedia. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You could put "oh, so and so had fan-fiction made of them" for pretty much any celebrity page. It is not significant in the slightest. Ludus56 (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe Thanks for the clarification – the 3O request was referring to these diffs [2], which were undone here [3]. I would prefer if all of these conspiracy theories, frauds, and hoaxes were summarized to avoid putting undue weight on them. Regardless, adding one paragraph break is appropriate, though @Adavidb went overboard by adding three. There should be a paragraph break between "...fraud and identity theft." and "Trump has been the subject of several conspiracy theories..." It is clear to me that his lack of social media presence and related impersonation are a separate topic from the outright conspiracy theories surrounding him, so these should be two separate paragraphs. Toadspike [Talk] 07:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to ping me again if there are further questions. Toadspike [Talk] 07:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The first line (Trump has been the subject of several conspiracy theories and speculative efforts.) is summary enough. Every other detail added is a BLP nightmare.

Full disclosure - I was aware of this article for a few days, just only noticed the BLP violations once Elijah started talking about it offwiki Soni (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• I have listed this page on WP:BLPN. Clearly it could use additional outsiders given we're already at the main page. Soni (talk) 16:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Notability tag

Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard § Barron Trump for some context as to why I've tagged this article with {{notability}}. In short: Notability is not inherited, and there is essentially zero coverage of Barron Trump that isn't either actually about his father, or minor details of his personal life. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 17:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The fact that you were reverted in three minutes by an editor who never edited the article before should serve as a wake up call to you. Abductive (reasoning) 18:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, notability for anything other than being Trump's son hasn't been shown. The article has been AfD'd twice, with the first a delete and the second a redirect. What has this non-public person done to become notable since then? Valereee (talk) 19:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I am in complete agreement with Tamzin and Valereee here. This is a young man only 18 years of age whose only "claim to fame" is that his father is famous and controversial. Notability is not inherited and this article should simply not exist at this point in his life. That could change in the future but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Cullen328 (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Barron Trump/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: ElijahPepe (talk · contribs) 06:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 19:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this article is ineligible for Good Article status due to being a long way from hitting criterion #5, stability. Notability is not itself a factor for Good Article status, but the active notability maintenance temple and the large scale revisions, additions, and removals over the course of the past 24 hours really makes this not fit the bill on stability. If the BLP issue discussion is resolved and a stable set of content is agreed upon, it will probably be fine to renominate this. But, as it stands, it's too contentious. I will also note that it has a number of prose and breadth issues at the moment, but that is to be expected considering the current editing environment here. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.