Talk:Robert Sungenis

Geocentrism is NOT pseudoscience

Anybody who has read Dr. Sungenis' books on the subject of geocentrism knows that calling it pseudoscience is dishonest. He deals with all the relevant science and provides a reasonable interpretation of the data. The person who has used this pejorative label in order to discredit him obviously doesn't realise that Albert Einstein acknowledged that a geocentric view can account for ALL the scientific data. Please remove this smear of "pseudoscientific" for the sake of neutrality. Knowledgeispower3 (talk) 07:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you find a reputable scientist who says this, and provide where they said it.Slatersteven (talk) 07:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

First, you may change the frame of reference to whatever you like and physics would still work. Earth is in no way special in this respect: any frame of reference is as good as any other one. The belief that mainstream science endorses geocentrism is delusional. Tgeorgescu (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A reputable scientist who says this? Wolfgang Smith. You should read his book Ancient Wisdom and Modern Misconceptions: A Critique of Contemporary Scientism (2003), Chapter VIII (The Status of Geocentrism). Smith is a mathematician, physicist, philosopher of science and metaphysician. yuri vieira (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, you have one. who says it has scientific merit. But it is still a fringe view, and thus pseudoscience accdor9ing to most experts, and we go with the scientific weight (see wp:undue.Slatersteven (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

First, ad hominem arguments like Anybody who has read Dr. Sungenis' books on the subject of geocentrism knows that calling it pseudoscience is dishonest. have no place here.

Second, while it is true that in General Relativity a geocentric coordinate system is as valid as a heliocetric coordinate system, that does not mean that the geocentric and heliocentric views are equivalent; the geometry does not depend on the choice of local coordinates. An observer will see the worldline of the Earth winding around the worldline of the Sun in either coordinate system. --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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BLP violation

An IP is edit warring in violation of WP:BLPSPS. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

What a disgrace to human knowledge and wisdom

This is the introduction (first sentence) to this man here:

Robert A. Sungenis (born c. 1955)[1] is an American Catholic apologist and advocate of the pseudoscientific belief that the Earth is the center of the universe.

Who the hell are you to judge what is scientific and what is not and put this into the intro like that? I'm quite sure if I would change anything on the page to make it more respectable and neutral it gets immediately deleted by these fanatics who want to make Wikipedia their personal opinion space and everything that contradicts their opinion they call pseudoscience etc. What a disgrace to human knowledge and wisdom has this become.