Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan

This article was nominated for deletion on 21 July 2006. The result of the discussion was speedy keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

Why a maid?

Okay, maybe I just don't get this whole "moé" thing, but why is Wikipedia represented as a maid? Wouldn't a librarian or something make more sense? Andrew Levine 15:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking of "clean-up" ^_^. But I'm sure there is an extremly logical reason why she's in a maid outfit, the OS-tan all have completly sane reasons why they look like they do. Calicore 17:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, Kasuga creat her as formascot of WikiProject Anime and manga. And maid outfit is ultra-popular costume for Moe character, librarian is not (as far as I known). Think of it, the first OS-Tans, Me-tan also has maid outfit. Then again, the idea of Wikipe-tan in librarian outfit seem to be nice idea but...what kind of costume need for being librarian? Maybe her holding Wikipede doll might be better. L-Zwei 04:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan wasn't made for WP:ANIME, and I wouldn't be surprised if she pre-dated the WikiProject. Kasuga simply made us some newer images for use when he found out that we were interested in using her as a mascot. And while I do like the new color images, I gotta say.. old-school Wikipe-tan are my personal favorites. -- Ned Scott 04:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I endorse the above message. _dk 04:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Maids serve. Wikipedia serves the readers. Makes perfect sense. _dk 04:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Man, Kasuga does some nice artwork. Maids ftw! User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Librarian would be a better costume variant IMHO. She can wear the maid costume in her vandal clean-up duties. OS-Tans can wear different costumes; she should be easily identifiable with her Wiki hair ornaments. Just a thought -- Eqdoktor 07:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

She's an admin at work, cleaning up on the wiki! - David Gerard 11:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

AKismet 03:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

First of all I have to say that I adore this image, that I have just now saw. I never thought of it, and it is great that Wikipedia has a "-tan" as well :D. It's much better than that awful "Wikipede" caterpillar. I understand the metaphor of her being a maid, cleaning spam and all, and I liked it, but still, it does not quite fit. I saw a school girl as well, but I don't feel that it is quite it either. Wikipedia is not studying, it is sharing knowledge, and that, I think, the main point of Wikipedia. What about Greek dressing, like a toga? It does not quite fit the new age, but it would give Wikipe-tan a philosophical (and somewhat humble) notion. It is also a reference to the old forums, where everyone could come and join a big discussion, which is more or less what we do here. I also believe that it should have more wikipedian symbols, the puzzle pieces fit well but there has to be more things. I'm not quite sure what to add, but what about a book? (or perhaps, a disc?) Nefzen 12:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Her age?

She does look very much like a child. Would we agree that her birthday was on January 15, 2001, the same day Wikipedia launched? --24.255.155.100 00:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• I think 8 January 2006, when Kasuga introduced her to Futaba Channel is more make sense. Unless we're going to give her some fictional background :D .L-Zwei 03:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make her a baby? --Littleghostboo[ talk ] 05:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Just like deity in myth, she born as teen girl, not infant. Though there is image depict her as infant and mature girl as well. L-Zwei 05:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipe-tan "is" Wikipedia as such, and her "birthday" in fiction would then be January 15th 2001. But her real date of invention would be January 8th 2006. --GunnarRene 03:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Most fictional characters are ageless, thus she wouldn't grow old when Wikipedia has been around for 50 years, etc. I'm not sure there's much of a point to make an "age" for her.. -- Ned Scott 05:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

We could make her immortal since she's already fictional. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 15:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree, making her the same age as Wikipedia itself (that is, born at 2001) only makes sense, since she is supposed to be Wikipedia itself. Making her an infant would hardly fit our fast growing Wikipedia, though in my opinion, in the future to come making her mature is reasonable, but never old. Nefzen 11:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan featured in a magazine

From Wikipedia:Village pump (news)#Wikipe-tan makes a cameo appearance in UK magazine Games TM

"Wikipe-tan, the Wikipedia OS-tan has found its way into the latest edition of GamesTM magazine (issue 48). It's found on page 30 beside a regular column on the Japanese Gaming scene by correspondant Tim Rogers. The article is absolutely nothing about Wikipedia, but instead about the maid cafe culture in Japan. - Hahnchen 01:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)" (see Image:Wikipe-tan GamesTM.jpg)

I guess they just looked around for a free-use anime-style maid image. Flattering all the same, although a citation would have been nice. Shiroi Hane 07:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but I thought the GDFL required certain things (i.e. re-licensing the derivative product under GDFL, credit, and access to the original copy.) Hmm. --Kunzite 12:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

On that line of thought, I was wondering, does this mean that the above linked image is under GDFL now? Also, it's very likely that credit was given, just not on the same page (often image and photograph credits and copyright info is given on another page in the magazine, along with info about editors, etc). -- Ned Scott 23:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Since the image is a scan of a GFDL image being used in a magazine, then yes, it would also be GFDL (since GFDL requires that) since it doesn't really include anything else from the article and is really low-res anyway (looks like someone snapped a picture, rather than scanning the page). That's my interpretation, anyway. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 15:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

PS, I do have a copy now and, on a brief flick, could not see any specific image credits given other than a general clause at the back. Shiroi Hane 17:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I just came across this little note last night from Commons, Commons:Image copyright tags#GNU Licenses:

"Please note: The GFDL is rather impractical for images and short text, because it requires the full text of the GFDL to be published along with the image. This is prohibitive for print media: in order to use a single image in a newspaper, a full page containing the GFDL would have to be printed. To resolve this, please dual-license your work under GFDL and an equivalent Creative Commons license like CC-by-sa-2.5 (see below). This helps to make your work usable not only freely, but also easily."

So yeah, it looks like Games TM didn't do all that was required. -- Ned Scott 18:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

POTD

FYI, Image:Wikipe-tan full length.png is scheduled to be the Wikipedia:Picture of the day on October 2, 2006. howcheng {chat} 00:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan, a moé anthropomorphization of Wikipedia, similar in theme to an OS-tan. In Japanese animation, "moé" characters are those designed to elicit a protective or loving response from the audience. Moé anthropomorphism is a form of anthropomorphism where moé qualities are given to non-human beings, objects, concepts, or phenomena. Like many moé characters, Wikipe-tan is designed to be a cute young girl, and this image shows her in a maid costume. Image credit: Kasuga Archive - More featured pictures...

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Deletion?!?!?!

Why on earth would the Wikipe-tan article get deleted? It was a POTD! Will someone please tell me? -Rich

It wasn't deleted, it was moved to Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan -- Ned Scott 21:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

CVG WikiProject mascot?

Please see this thread. I've proposed using Wikipe-tan as the mascott for the WikiProject Computer and video games. jaco♫plane 04:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Kasuga's Japanese site

I found his Japanese site too (it was linked from his devianArt but I never noticed it before...), though it has no Wikipe-tan in it. I'll post it here in case anyone is interested. There are some really interesting things in there XD http://www.geocities.jp/kasuga399/ Enjoy _dk 00:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

And I found another. I can conclude that if I were to ask Kasuga to draw a Wikipe-tan for the lolicon page... it wouldn't be as difficult as I previously thought. http://kasuga39.e-city.tv/ (Not for the faint of heart) _dk 05:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Now I remember the request for Wikipe-tan hentai (which were moved to BJODN section), it look like Kasuga may grant the wish if asked gently...L-Zwei 05:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians generaly look better with clothes on.Geni 23:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The funny thing is someone in his guestbook already asked when Wikipe-tan would make an appearance there. _dk 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if he really does one, will we include the H art here as well? ^_^ L-Zwei 04:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If he does do this, lets hope he makes it a different character, so that it would not be "Wikipe-tan". Don't get me wrong, I can be pretty perverted too, but I don't like my peas touching my mash potatoes. I get the same impression from Kasuga since he puts up this stuff on a separate website from his other art. -- Ned Scott 05:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat has went and asked Kasuga to draw WikiPorno, and Kasuga replied:

Hi, Cool Cat. Sorry for my delay. Thank you for your proposal. However, I wouldn't like to contribute pornography-like arts to Wikipedia or other Wikiprojects. I 'm sorry that I am unable to help you. --カスガ 2006年11月24日 (金) 12:55 (UTC)

I think this pretty much nails the coffin to an official nude Wikipe-tan pic D= _dk 14:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Despite being a big pervert, I somehow relive to heard that. L-Zwei 14:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The main mascot

I think she should become the main mascot for Wikipedia. --AAA! ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I second that motion. But maybe she should be a bit taller and more grown-up, and maybe use prettier forms of Gothic Lolita. — Rickyrab | Talk 03:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

By which I meant more frilly and less black. Oh well, so much for my aesthetic tastes! — Rickyrab | Talk 03:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The formal mascot role is held by the wikipede.Geni 18:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Not true. Voting is evil. The true mascot, as decided by consensus, is Wikipe-tan. Ashibaka tock 16:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

How about putting the Wikipede, Wikipe-tan, and the leaf-cutter ant together to make a mascot team? That would reflect consensus. — Rickyrab | Talk 06:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

which leaf-cutter ant?Geni 23:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

On that note, Kasuga once said on his talk page: "Hello 70.105.147.48. It is mere one opinion that Wikipedia's personification is considered to be an innocent girl. If you want that Wikipedia must be a mighty-wise man (like Odin ,Krishna or Dr. Manhattan), of course, you can show concrete sketches of him, and you should. Because, in Wikipedia, it is recommended that there are various opinions for one subject. --Kasuga 13:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)" -- Ned Scott 05:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Filesize optimization

After running the main Wikipe-tan image through PNGOUT, I noticed that the filesizes were much larger than they could be (For instance I got the main image down to 66% of its current size). I was wondering if anyone would object if I systematically replaced the gallery files with optimized ones. Unneeded data is removed, and the remaining data compressed further. The only problem is that their removal may complicate further image-editing efforts. CABAL 13:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe only change the ones like the cropped versions, but leave the originals. -- Ned Scott 05:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ran a quick check on the Cropped section. I'll upload newer versions of the following when the Commons account clears: Wikipe-tan face.png and Wikipe-tan head.png. CABAL 14:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

game?

There are references to a "retro RPG" and a "visual novel". Are these used as example images, or do these games actually exist?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pierrecurie (talk • contribs) .

They are only examples, and they don't exist, so they should not be portrayed as such. If you find them used in that way, outside of BJAODN, then please correct it. It's accurate to say that Wikipe-tan is drawn in a typical anime style, that she's a moe character etc. but we shouldn't be creating an impression that she's actually appeared in an anime. Until she does. --GunnarRene 14:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's no reason someone couldn't make them :) There's already a Wikipedia rougelike (sic) that could be given a graphical frontend, however, the objective is to get kicked out of Wikipedia. -Seventh Holy Scripture 14:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use

Could someone please make parody images of superteams, CVG covers, books, webcomics, etc. to replace the fair use on Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Arts & Entertainment? --Gray Porpoise_{Your wish is my command!} 03:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I've made a start Image:Wikipe-tancomics.jpg.Geni 23:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan will win, because there is no Cabal. --AAA! ^(AAAA) 05:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

More older looking

Hey im here asking for a more older looking version of wikipe-tan.maybe like the one from the image where she is with a infant and the younger her. the reason? well on my userpage i placed a comment (before i found out about the fair use images) that stated that I think they are hot. as meaning that the girls from anime are hot. but the only problem is now i only have the younger looking girls to work with and well it looks kinda wrong now stating that they are hot. so please help me out with this issue thanksMaverick423 16:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It's an art style. Ashibaka (tock) 02:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey! What the...

Tada! Kasuga presents: PPG versus PPGZ.--JSH-alive ^{talk to me}_{see my works}^{mail to me} 05:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

image Error?

Her past, now, and future doesnt show anymore?

but when you click on where the picture is supposed to be it pops out and shows the pic. however on the list and links she doesnt come out. is there a error or something going on? Maverick423 17:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The image is working again thanks for whoever fixed it. if no one did then that means it must of been a internal error. Maverick423 17:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes it helps to visit the Image: page and purge it. --GunnarRene 23:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

wouldnt purging delete the image though? Maverick423 14:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

No, no. Not deleting, purging: Wikipedia:Purge. --GunnarRene 14:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

oh i see heh. just recently saw a movie where the guy was saying purge as he deleted all his computer stuff so i got confused for a bit . Maverick423 15:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well purging does mean deleting. It's just that you delete the cache. So what I should have said is "visit the Image: page and purge its cache". --GunnarRene 15:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweets

Is there any of Wikipe-tan with a lollipop or any other sweets?? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 19:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

not at the moment. Something could be edited in if it was needed.Geni 03:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

ok thanks :} ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 19:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

can anyone think of a resion It might be needed?? lolz ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 18:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Uhh..what is this?

Just found this link in Japaneese version. L-Zwei 12:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Wai~ It's a 3D model of Wikipe-tan! Run it with mmViewer. _dk 13:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

problem with name?

"tan"? Is this supposed to be "chan" as in the Japanese suffix used as a term of indearment for young children, cute things, etc. (ex: tama-chan) --Toritaiyo 19:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes. "Tan" is used as an intentional mis-speaking of "chan" to make it sound "cuter". Heh. --GunnarRene 19:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

See Moe anthropomorphism for more on that. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 19:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't be "chan", because I'm a licensed /b/tard and the suffix "chan" gives me bad mental images. - 2-16 16:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder, how is it pronounced? Is it Wee-kee-pe or perhaps more like wee kee pee?Nefzen 21:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

"Ooh-e-ki-pay tan".Viewer 03:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

That's difficult to pronounce. wee kee pa ee -tan? (if I haven't misinterpreted it)Nefzen 09:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Or weekeepehtan. Just like you say Wikipedia (), but exchange the "eedia" with "ehtan".--GunnarRene 10:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Still doesn't sound quite right... "wikipitan". What about Wiki-tan? Nefzen 13:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I imagine the creator of the character called her Wikipe-tan (which I personally like) and we should respect that. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 14:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Futaba Channel suggested "wikipe-tan", pronounced "wikipeh-tan", but nothing wrong with "wikipii-tan" too. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 20:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Her name is written in katakana in Japaneese Wikipedia, and it's wikipeh-tan. L-Zwei 05:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Plus, I believe this is an homage to the OS-tans, so that is why he probably was told to use that name. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying anything about the "tan", just the "Wikipe". meh. Nefzen 07:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

As in "We key pee tan", or "wick up a tan"? - Two-Sixteen.11.222.21 12:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

As in the kana spelling, ウィキペたん, Ui-ki-pe-ta-n, said "Wee kee pa tan". However, since the word is derived from Wikipedia and "pa" does not reflect the pronunciation of the original English but rather the Japanese approximation, "Wee kee pee tan" may actually be more accurate. --tjstrf talk 09:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a minor quibble: ウィキペたん is romanized "Uikipetan" (not "pa"). The closest pronunciation in English would be "Wee-kee-peh-tahn". (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Cosplay

Wow, already a cosplay! That's incredibly fast I believe. Nefzen 07:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought...

The loli version of Wikipe-tan is nice, but could you make more versions of her as an adult? If you are wondering why, umm... no reason. --Insineratehymn^{(talk • contribs)} 04:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I think this has been debated already, see above.

• On other hand, I which to see more of other fauna like Commons-tan and Quote-tan. L-Zwei 13:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be a bit troublesome... a tan for each one? Quote-tan?
I think Wikipe-tan stands for all Wikipidian-ish projects. Either that or they have some headquarters :D

Well, commons-tan and Quote-tan already appear and I found they're interesting ^_^ . Mainly because they made it look like Wikipe-tan has some background story. L-Zwei 05:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Why hasn't this been deleted as cruft?

Because it really, really is. Jtrainor 12:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Look at the title of the page. There's your answer. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 12:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

To be a little more explanative, this is a project page, not an article. If you really feel this should be deleted, you are welcome to take it to WP:MFD. I suspect you will not find the outcome you want, but I could be surprised. - TexasAndroid 14:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

loli

The loli images are back, now on Commons. Any thoughts on how to handle this? They were deleted on our side because they were signed "Kasuga", but were obviously not done or uploaded by Kasuga. -- Ned Scott 09:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The people over at Talk:Lolicon will handle this. (or already are) _dk 09:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I say we keep them and be thankful, Lolicon has needed a good illustration for ages. If they need some sort of detailed explanation as to why they have weird source info, so be it. (We can't really blame outsiders for not understanding our image policies straight off.) --tjstrf talk 09:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

As much as I hate giving Wikipe-tan this kind of image (the blatant whore kind), it a lot better than the previous lolicon image (no offense to the author of that image, but.. eh). If we can get the source and licensing info clarified then there shouldn't be any problems. -- Ned Scott 22:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the uploader is fairly clearly a throw away account for fairly obvious reasons.Geni 22:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

That might be a problem, then. -- Ned Scott 22:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Under the GFDL people are free to chose to be credited under whatever name they like.Geni 00:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ryulong is getting the previous image license clarified. There is somehow a deletion debate going on at the Commons (which started off quite strangely). Anyways, now we have a confirmed author, source and license, I am dropping any issues I have for the image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad that they got rid of that picture of teenage Wikipe tan in a swimsuit, it was creepy. Anubiz 11:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

To me, most of the other pics on this page are far more 'loli' than the deleted pic, nor do I see how it was creepy at all. *shrug* ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I thik it's creepy. Maby becouse I think she is traying to be sexy in it. Anubiz 13:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The katakana alphabets on the sexy image is wrong. It's クィ (Kui)instead of ウィ (Uui). L-Zwei 14:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

My government does not like this. It's illegal. Not that I care, but still... - 2-16 16:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What was that for? Anubiz 16:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm in school, I don't want to get expelled and arrested for looking at Wikipedia :O - 2-16 12:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Well you're in luck, you won't be. Or would they expell you for looking at penis too? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 12:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Relax you will not get in troble, unless you site it as a sourse. Anubiz ♦ 13:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

They use remote-access and dig through browser history. - 2-16 16:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

There should be a Userbox for Users who like Wikipe-tan. If there is an I just did not find it scorry. Anubiz 13:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I think there is a general "This user likes anime box" that uses her image (IIRC). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks maby we should be able it git to it from the page. Anubiz 19:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:LoliWikipetan.PNG

What the hell? Is this even legal in the United States?! - 2-16 16:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

No I don't think so. Anubiz 16:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Drawn depictions are legal in the US. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 18:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

acutaly it isn't that simple and untill anouther court case turns up the situation is a bit uncertian. It would probably be illegal to publish in the UK although for the time being ownership is probably legal.Geni 00:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay did not know that. Anubiz 18:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What was the image? Was it something like this? --AAA! (AAAA) 01:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The very same one. _dk 01:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It's on the Wikipe-tan page, and on the Lolicon page. There's a deletion discussion here: [1]. If I understand correctly, they are saying they only delete for copyright violations so arguments about the content aren't legit??? -Jmh123 01:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

They are but the images appear to pass Commons:Commons:Project scope.Geni 02:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Because it is (or can be) used in other Wikipedias as well and Commons isn't the place to sort out legal issues between the different Wikipedias? Are any relevant trademarks (Wikipedia stuff) already released via the Commons as well? -Jmh123 08:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

We can ask the Foundation if trademark issues are still the main concern. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Nothing obscene in that image, of course it's legal. --tjstrf talk 08:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, someone took away the 'older' wording I used. That's at least two people who seem to nolt be able to tell that yes, the girl in that pic is clearly older than than the girl in most of the rest of the pictures. Or am I the blind one? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

That Wikie tan looks 13. Anubiz 11:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I'd say 8. The artist who drew it was asked to make her obviously pre-adolescent, and the folks at Lolicon were very happy with the result. -Jmh123 16:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

How about this that one is 8-13, the reall one looks 5. Anubiz 16:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. Most 13 year olds are fully mature physically. This one shows no signs of puberty at all. The confident young woman who is pictured with the dread looking hair and the black suit is not labeled as older. Even the bikini-wearing sex service gal is not labelled as older. The intention of the Loli picture was for her to look like a young child. She does. Now her pose is older--yes--that is exactly the point--a very young girl acting precociously sexual. -Jmh123 16:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Very well howerver she still looks somwat older then most Wikie tans. Anubiz 16:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• I agree that the sexy Wikipe-tan seem to be older (14-16) than normal Wikipe-tan (10-12), though younger than adult Wikipe-tan (17-25). L-Zwei 18:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I say it's a difference in drawing style. Let's not argue about one single adjective. _dk 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Aloha to that. Anubiz 21:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

More on the loli

WP:AN/I#User:Herostratus threatening disruption over image on Lolicon

My own thoughts, it seems several users are misunderstanding the legal issues of displaying the image (as in, none), but another issue, the concerns about the association of Wikipe-tan's (and Wikipedia's) image to this, might be something worth discussing. Thought it might be a good idea to start the discussion here, since.. it's pretty crazy over on AN/I right now, and the Commons deletion debate was closed early. -- Ned Scott 00:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

.....*shakes head in disbelief*.....How about asking Kasuga for an ambiguous image for the article? _dk 02:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Japan article uses a different Wikipe-tan image drawn by Kasuga (Library of Babel) which probably would've have gone unnoticed, but now's not a good time to be suggesting a different Wikipe-tan for Lolicon, I don't think. At any rate, the discussion of what image to use for the Lolicon article is going on at Lolicon Talk. However, Ned Scott brings up an interesting topic of potential problems with the use of Wikipe-tan images in general.-Jmh123 03:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we should take the averge hip and breast sizes of girls older than the lolicon age, and see if the picture roughly meets or exceeds that average? — Deckiller 03:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Come agian? Anubiz ♦ 12:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

We're not debating that it's lolicon

I've spent many a day on 4chan, 7chan, etc. I know what lolicon is, and that image is lolicon and I'm damn sure of it. The question at hand is whether we chould have such an image. This has mushroomed into a huge ordeal at WP:ANI, with an administrator going barzark. - 2-16 15:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Anubiz ♦ 17:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The admin did not go bezerk--just said something strongly worded, which someone else prematurely took to the ANI. So don't worry about that. The debate is just that--this is a contentious issue, yes. Clearly people feel strongly about this image, whether Wikipe-tan should be used in this way or not. -Jmh123 17:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

But this pick is not good for her image, next thing you konw there will be Wiki tan hentai Anubiz ♦ 01:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. If it were up to me, it would be deleted from this Wikipe-tan page. -Jmh123 01:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You act as if it's some horrid thing for there to be such. It's not. The argument about "sexualizing kids" is irrelevent, as it's an image of her /older/, and it's only somewhat suggestive. The argument is almost aking to saying there should never EVER be a sexualalization of ANYONE because everyone was a kid once. Now, I do agree against putting on actual H-pics here (and they already exist, mind you), but seriously people seem to be looking at this pic as if it's some horrid crime against nature. It's not. It's just a little suggestive pic, that shouldn't be garnering even close to this much hostility. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 02:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thats that way it is. "Wobbuffet" I dos not have to make scence. Anubiz ♦ 02:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Offtopic: There is wikipe-tan hentai? omgwtfbbq cannot compute *explodes* _dk 04:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

There is porn of everything. No exceptions. - 2-16 17:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipetan community mascot

On 2007 8 June, Wikipe-tan was recognized by Jimbo Wales as a community mascot. [2] (Loliwikipetan was a lolicon version of wikipetan sensored in wikipedia)

Now if wikipetan is really a community mascot then why don't you add it here.If it's not a community mascot,then why loliwikipetan was deleted, we tolerate the other one with the lollipop in her mouth.--81.245.58.108 23:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

We have images of Wikipe-tan all over the page, so your first question makes no sense. The LoliWikipe-tan was deleted because as a community mascot the lolicon image of her is not appropriate, and that is why she will not be added here. The second image, the one with the lollipop, is not Wikipe-tan, and therefore not an issue in relationship to Wikipe-tan. -Jmh123 23:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I meant add here the fact that she is the community mascot.She is the mascot of that and that wikiproject,but that's it.Now if she really isn't the community mascot then the deletion of loliwikipetan makes no sense.--81.245.58.108 23:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You would be better served taking that up with Jimmy Wales--however, it makes perfect sense to me. Although she is not the official mascot, she still represents Wikipedia and she wears Wikipedia symbols. I agree with Wales, but he's the one who made the final decision, and he da man, so it will serve no purpose to argue about it here. This has been argued about all over Wikipedia for days. I for one am sick of the whole thing. You don't make kiddie porn out of the mascot, unofficial or not. It's just not going to happen. Arguing with about this any longer will serve no purpose. Please, just let this go. -Jmh123 00:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The fact you have a slightly entising image "kiddy porn" shows a real problem with the general mentality of a lot of people. It's pretty silly. When I first saw the image I thought nothing of it and never dreamed people would be so up in arms about it, much less call it something it isn't even close to (it doesn't even look lolicon to me, nor could it possibly at ALL be called 'porn' any more than a lingerie catalog). But whatever, I do agree with protecting the page because it's all getting rediculous. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 00:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan as a model

I think that it might perhaps be a good idea to use Wikipe-tan as a model (as in, give her a career in modeling). She could be used to illustrate clothing articles.

Even if she is not to model nude, might she still be suitable for lingerie modeling (such as for the camiknickers article)?