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*'''Comment''', guys, fair ''use'' is not about what the thing is, it's about ''how the thing is used''. --[[User:Thebainer|bainer]] ([[User_talk:Thebainer|talk]]) 02:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment''', guys, fair ''use'' is not about what the thing is, it's about ''how the thing is used''. --[[User:Thebainer|bainer]] ([[User_talk:Thebainer|talk]]) 02:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
*:Exactly. That's why the picture here is used to describe the... picture and the event that lead to it being taken.--[[User:Konstable|Konstable]] 05:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


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July 18

Image:10 jan 2004 EOD mortar rounds iraq.jpg

Image:10 jan 2004 EOD mortar rounds iraq.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Twthmoses (notify | contribs).
  • "No known copyright policy" and "freely downloaded" are not valid reasons for fair use. I do not see how fair use could apply in the way it is used in the two articles that link to it. — Konstable 13:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Einstein tongue.jpg

Image:Einstein tongue.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Conti (notify | contribs).
  • I fail to see how this image is a "non-repeatable historic event that is iconically associated with Albert Einstein". Legitimate fair-use photos of persons are extremely rare, and in this case, a replacement can be found. How is Einstein sticking out his tong so remarkable that a picture of it qualifies under fair use? SalaSkan (Review me) 01:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This picture is iconic of Einstein. It is ubiquitous in American culture at the very least, and as the rational states, it (the picture itself) is in fact talked about in the article--Cronholm144 01:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is very culturally relevant and is a good example of Einstein's place in pop culture both then and now. As to 'Userpages' ONE userbox used it, and ONE user page had that box (mine). I've changed the image to a free use image. Tiki God 08:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry 'bout that, but I didn't want there to be any doubt about keeping the image. It was on 3 userpages not including yours BTW.--Cronholm144 08:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This image is used in the Albert Einstein article. There are free photos of Einstein, so this image can't be used to depict the person. It is argued above that the image is notable in-and-of itself. . . but the event depicted is only mentioned in one sentence. The photo is not notable enough to be the primary focus of a major section of the article, so it is not notable enough to pass NFCC #8. The evidence above that the image is popular does not show that the image "contributes significantly to an article", which is what is required. – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep only if discussion about the image is expanded - (Delete otherwise). Currently, the article simply describes (in one sentence) the occasion at which the picture was taken. This isn't enough to keep this image. But I believe it's possible to write a whole sub-section (or even a small article) about this picture. The subsection should mainly describe why is this image considered iconic and should completely avoid original research. We need many reliable sources talking about this image's notability, and not simply using the image (it's not up to us, as a tertiary source, to conclude that as it's heavily used, it's iconic and important)! I'm not convinced the sources provided in this ifd would suffice. The google search is obviously moot (I could prove that some images of Paris Hilton are iconic using this criteria). Although the neatorama.com article is a good reading, I don't think it count as a reliable source. And the msnnbc article doesn't discuss the image's notability at all. But I do believe such source can be found. But unless they are found, the image must be deleted. --Abu badali (talk) 16:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep only if expanded text is written in a new “Albert Einstein in popular culture” article. Otherwise delete. The Albert Einstein article is already 85KB long. (By the way, someone should look at the other fair use images in this article.) --teb728 18:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I fully agree with TEB728. Apparently, this picture is "iconic" of Einstein, but currently, the article merely states this:
"On Einstein's 72nd birthday in 1951, UPI photographer Arthur Sasse was trying to persuade him to smile for the camera, but having smiled for photographers many times that day, Einstein stuck out his tongue instead (Kupper 2000)."
That's all, and far too little to justify a fair use image to me. Also, it isn't even sourced. Like TEB said, when there is an Albert Einstein in popular culture article (and I'm sure it could be created, see for example Adolf Hitler in popular culture), and the cultural impact of this picture is demonstrated, a fair use claim might be legitimate. Not now. SalaSkan 18:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless expanded commentary is made: I concur with Abu badali, teb728, and Quadell. There's nothing in the inline text of this article to indicate why this picture is significant in any way other than that he stuck his tongue out for it. I think most of us have seen this image used countless times outside of Wikipedia. There's certainly substantial enough material *somewhere* to go on about the iconic nature of this image. But, it's not extant in this article. If the article is expanded to comment (significantly, I might add, not just to keep the image but with real relevance to Einstein) then perhaps the image could remain. Otherwise, it's purely decorative. I don't see the point. If it's culturally relevant, then write about it. If it's iconic, then write about it. But, to have a sentence about him sticking his tongue out...so what? Is there anyone among us who's never stuck their tongue before??? Are we depicting that he CAN, in fact, stick out his tongue? I don't recall Einstein having a tongue disability. --Durin 20:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Honestly? not only one of the most famous photos in the world, but one with a pop culture attached to it as anyone who has ever been to a bookshop would know, it takes much less time to add this "commentary" than to write up an IfD and then comments of the length of Durin's. {{sofixit}}--Konstable 21:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seriously? Probably one of the ten or twenty most iconic photos in the history of photography ... if the section needs work, though, someone should work it. WilyD 21:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Wikiproject-Islam.png

Image:Wikiproject-Islam.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Matt57 (notify | contribs).

Comment--Did it get superseded, replaced, etc? If there is no chance it will get used again put me down for delete.--Cronholm144 01:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Michael Tierney.jpg

Image:Michael Tierney.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by SilverBull (notify | contribs).

Image:Brighteyesshoot2.jpg

Image:Brighteyesshoot2.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Biginjapan91 (notify | contribs).

Image:NIriver1.jpg

Image:NIriver1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Grutness (notify | contribs).

Image:Black-monitor.jpg

Image:Black-monitor.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Jasz (notify | contribs).

Image:Full-house-cast.jpg

Image:Full-house-cast.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by QuasyBoy (notify | contribs).
  • Image is a promo image obviously, but source listed is likely not the original site for this photo, and the page itself does not load, only the link to the image itself, with no copyright info at all. 74.204.40.46 07:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Savedbythebell.jpg

Image:Savedbythebell.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Mokwella (notify | contribs).

Dawson's Creek Publicity Photos

Star Trek Photos

Worf and Troi are screenshots from Star Trek: Nemesis, the others have been updated with free and clear screenshotsm also from Nemesis. My bad. Squiggyfm 18:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:N76003313 13964.jpg

Image:N76003313 13964.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Lordnick1 (notify | contribs).

Image:Janis_cakste.jpg

Image:Janis_cakste.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Solver (notify | contribs).

Image:Logo4bucks.png

Image:Logo4bucks.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Hmwith (notify | contribs).
  • Use of the Ohio State University logo---and its special type---consititutes a violation of copyright and trademark law. In addition, because of such, it was removed from the Ohio State University template, and its removal as per terms Wikipedia:Fair_use#Policy item #9 from the OSU template has left it orphaned. AEMoreira042281 16:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uploader/creator's comment: I made the image freehand on my computer. I thought what Ohio State would/could have copyrighted were the "O" with a buckeye leaf on the bottom, right corner and the "O" with "Ohio State" written through it. I didn't know that one could copyright a generic red letter "O" with a gray outline (easily made on any word processor program). If I was mistaken, I sincerely apologize, and have it be deleted.  hmwith  talk 17:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Pshq3a.jpg

Image:Pshq3a.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Proehlgg (notify | contribs).
  • Image is of a living person who wants image to be deleted. The image, I believe, has been previously removed and has been uploaded by another user, who appears to have used a sockpuppet. — Jgassens 16:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Pshq2a.jpg

Image:Pshq2a.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Proehlgg (notify | contribs).
  • Image is of a living person who wants image to be deleted. The image, I believe, has been previously removed and has been uploaded by another user, who appears to have used a sockpuppet. — Jgassens 16:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Primal Scream 1.JPG

Image:Primal Scream 1.JPG (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Proehlgg (notify | contribs).
  • Image is of a living person who wants image to be deleted. The image, I believe, has been previously removed and has been uploaded by another user, who appears to have used a sockpuppet.

Image:Mickey_Mantle_Time_Cover.jpg

Image:Mickey_Mantle_Time_Cover.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Hayford Peirce (notify | contribs).

Image:Pub85si.jpg

Image:Pub85si.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).

Image:Wade&Letterman.jpg

Image:Wade&Letterman.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).

Image:Simms_to_LT.jpg

Image:Simms_to_LT.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).

Image:D-Wade_on_SI.jpg

Image:D-Wade_on_SI.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).
  • Unnecessaary, non-free image of a magazine's cover showing an athleted. It's used to illustrate the information that the athlete was featured on the cover. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Brotherhood-Showtime.jpg

Image:Brotherhood-Showtime.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).

Image:Finals_jordan_98_grab.jpg

Image:Finals_jordan_98_grab.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).

Image:Finals_jordan_91_grab.jpg

Image:Finals_jordan_91_grab.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Quadzilla99 (notify | contribs).

Image:1994-0207-1.jpg

Image:1994-0207-1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by ShadowJester07 (notify | contribs).
  • Unnecessary non-free image from a news agency showing a basketball player playing baseball. It's used to illustrate the info that he once played baseball. It doesn't add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 18:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Images from User:Kay Körner

On July 16 I received this message on my talk page from an administrator on the Commons, warning me to be careful about images uploaded by User:Kay Körner (who also uploads as User:Lucken), who had been blocked at Commons for repeatedly uploading images against policy. I looked through Kay's uploads and found several images tagged as if they were free, but which appeared to be copyright violations. I asked Kay about these, but received a rather bizarre and non-informative response (here). There may be some genuine free contributions among the copyvios, but I think it's better to delete than take chances, given the uploader's history and response. Here are the suspected copyright violations:

In addition, this user uploaded the following non-free images which are not used in article space. I'm listing them here, rather than tagging them {{orfud}}, because I have reason to believe the user would remove the notices.

And these images are used, but are mostly just used decoratively, and have no source. (Many are mistagged as well: dolls as logos, photos as posters, etc.)

If any of these are worth keeping, we should determine an adequate source and improve the rationale. – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I was just informed that this user also uploads as User:Fox53, and has been blocked from the German Wikipedia for uploading improper images as well. – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Robcubs.jpg

Image:Robcubs.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by ShadowJester07 (notify | contribs).

Image:Bg_cg9fII.jpg

Image:Bg_cg9fII.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Wcole (notify | contribs).

Image:Cheney2.jpg

Image:Cheney2.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by GraigC (notify | contribs).

Image:Pa_frankiej_1.jpg

Image:Pa_frankiej_1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Arcangel619 (notify | contribs).

Image:Pa_frankiej_4.jpg

Image:Pa_frankiej_4.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Arcangel619 (notify | contribs).

Image:220px-Frankie1.jpg

Image:220px-Frankie1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Arcangel619 (notify | contribs).

Image:The_inlfuence_of_the_SED_for_the_east_German_soccer.jpg

Image:The_inlfuence_of_the_SED_for_the_east_German_soccer.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Fox53 (notify | contribs).

Image:The_BFC_is_to_blame_for_the_Berlin_Wall!.jpg

Image:The_BFC_is_to_blame_for_the_Berlin_Wall!.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Fox53 (notify | contribs).

Image:BFC_Dynamo_-_The_Master.jpg

Image:BFC_Dynamo_-_The_Master.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Fox53 (notify | contribs).

Image:Kanyebush.jpg

Image:Kanyebush.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by The_lorax (notify | contribs).
  • Unnecessary non-free screenshot showing an artisting making a declaration on tv, used (in 5 articles) to illustrate the information that he appeared on tv to make such declaration. Abu badali (talk) 20:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Einstein_patentoffice.jpg

Image:Einstein_patentoffice.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Stevertigo (notify | contribs).
  • Image of a young Einstein with unknown copyrigth status (as explained on the image's description page). The image is not crucial to the understanding of any of the articles it's used in. Abu badali (talk) 20:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Max-Planck-und-Albert-Einstein.jpg

Image:Max-Planck-und-Albert-Einstein.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by JdH (notify | contribs).

Image:Tagore-einstein2.jpg

Image:Tagore-einstein2.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Dwaipayanc (notify | contribs).
  • Unsourced image used under fair use, showing "2 monumental personalities" meeting. Used to illustrate the information that these 2 monumental personalities once met. In the 3 articles it's used in, it doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Cascadia earthquake.gif

Image:Cascadia earthquake.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Arg (notify | contribs).

Image:EinsteinSzilard.jpg

Image:EinsteinSzilard.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Ed_g2s (notify | contribs).
  • Unnecessary non-free image showing two physicist witting a notable letter, used (in 6 articles!) to illustrate the information that they wrote that letter. In none of the 6 article it's used in, it seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 20:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Einstein_inshul1930.jpg

Image:Einstein_inshul1930.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Epson291 (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free image of Einstein playing a violin in a synaogue, used to illustrate the information that the once played the violing ona a synagogue. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Also, no source information is provided. Abu badali (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, illustrates his connection to Judaism. No free photo is available. Epson291 21:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:EinsteinandAbbaEban.jpg

Image:EinsteinandAbbaEban.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Epson291 (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free image of Einstein laughing with some diplomats, used to illustrate the information that the once met these diplomats. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Also, no source information is provided. Abu badali (talk) 21:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, illustrates his work with Zionism and the creation of the State of Israel. No free illustration available. Epson291 21:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:WikiCabal MTG Card.png

Image:WikiCabal MTG Card.png (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by GeeJo (notify | contribs).

Image:HeroesSeason1.jpg

Image:HeroesSeason1.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by TheSequelofDisney (notify | contribs).
  • This image has two rationales. The first seems to have been designed to cover every theorhetical eventuality a DVD cover could be used for, but it does not specifically address how the image significantly contributes to the article. The second rationale: "For an article about a tv-serie, the cover artwork is very important and adds significantly to the article." is very ambiguous and again, doesn't fulfill WP:NFCC#8. The image is not discussed or referenced in the article, and seems to have no special significance aside from decoration of the DVD section of the Heroes article. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 21:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Scientist_stub.jpg

Image:Scientist_stub.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by LexCorp (notify | contribs).
See Wikipedia:Public domain#Canadian images: Yousuf Karsh. --Abu badali (talk) 23:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
By the way.... Speedy per WP:CSD#G4: Image:Albert Einstein by Yousuf Karsh.jpg. --Abu badali (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Covian.jpg

Image:Covian.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rsabbatini (notify | contribs).

Image:EdwardSands.jpg

Image:EdwardSands.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Pikabruce (notify | contribs).

Image:Houssay.gif

Image:Houssay.gif (delete|talk|history|logs) - uploaded by Rsabbatini (notify | contribs).