Talk:Super Mario Bros.

Mushroom Traitors?

The Goomba's Japanese name (Kuribou) is based on chestnuts, not mushrooms. The Goomba is actually supposed to resemble a chestnut in it's shape and color. So, as oppose to mushroom traitors, Goombas are actually some kind of odd chestnut monster. -- Kendamu 14:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Not according to the manual for the US/EU version of the game, it isn't. --Hullubulloo 11:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Confirming Musroom Traitors, it is also stated in the Super Smash Bros. Melee(PAL) Trophies information about Mario. 194.120.158.162 22:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that was "traitors of the Mushroom Kingdom", not "traitors that happen to be mushrooms", but I haven't checked.

NES Classics Version

This was also released on the GBA as part of Nintendo's NES Classics series.

That's already mentioned in the article but it's under Classic NES series, which I think was the American name for the series. Corbo 19:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

How to use?

How can you use this with the power glove then again how can you use any mario game with the power glove?--Yowiki 22:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Jerry Jackson reference...?

I think that reference is totally useless. There are billions of Mario Parodies around the Internet. Why is a Jerry Jackson reference here? I remember that two submissions were blammed in Newgrounds. But the moderators allowed them in the very end! Not only that, but Jerry Jackson make movies totally pointless, without any kind of sense. They are poorly drawn, with a emotionless voice, not sound at all, and they even manage to appear in the Frontpage and here in the Wikipedia. I'm going to delete that reference right now. Please, be fair.

Vs. Super Mario Bros. statement removed

The player begins with only two lives rather than the standard three, and 256 coins are required to earn an extra life, as opposed to 100 in all other versions.

I removed this because this obviously depends on switch settings. Both the number of lives and how many coins are needed for a 1-up are configurable settings. - furrykef (Talk at me) 22:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

GA Re-Review and In-line citations

Note: This article has a very small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and currently would not pass criteria 2b.
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Removal of info

I can't say that I agree with the removal of the cultural info here. I mean, the whole article is cultural cruft, we might as well acknowledge it. Its not like it hurts the encyclopedianess. I won't revet, but I think the info should be put back. pschemp | talk 02:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It was "A Wikipedia user noticed that foo is referenced/is similar to/is mentioned in passing in bar" original research plus an ad for someone's album. If someone wanted to write something cited, that would be fine. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:25, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe pull the album ad but the content seems encyclopedic to me. ++Lar: t/c 02:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

How is it original reserach to talk about a phrase the game uses? Anyone can verify that. pschemp | talk 02:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

How is it original research to note how many toes a species of bird has? Anyone can catch the bird and verify that.

Synthesizing direct observation is original research. In this case, it's really, really inane original research, but it's a good hedge against Armchairs in popular culture. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The first half is all "A Wikipedia user noticed that foo is mentioned in passing in bar." Super Mario Bros. or its music has appeared in the background of dozens, if not hundreds, of TV shows and movies and mentioned im passing in many; listing every single one is neither useful to an encyclopedia or even practical. We're not exactly talking about SMB3 and The Wizard, here.

The whole bit on "I'm sorry..." is full of unsourced, largely unsourcable statements:

• It has become something of a pop culture phenomenon, similar to "all your base are belong to us." - Since when?
• The phrase is frequently parodied and referenced in popular culture, most often in video games and video gaming related contexts. - The video game world is pretty self-referential, especially when video game series reference previous games in that series. Any reference in a source other than video game recognizing this phenomenon?
• It is sometimes called both a meme and a snowclone. - This is an artefact of memespam being cut from the article on "I'm sorry" and is similar to "Fanfic often depicts this character as..."
• It is sometimes cited as a good example of negative reinforcement. - By whom?

The rest is more "A Wikipedia user noticed that foo is mentioned in passing in bar."

So, where's the encyclopedic content? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of the removal of info, why is it that there is a constant effort to remove or minimize the presence of the Minus World? This is something that has been around for years (as in, you saw talk of the Minus World in old magazines), and it's well-known why the Minus World is there, and yet anytime it's added to the page it's either removed completely or listed as "uncited", which is crap, as the game itself should be enough citation. 66.168.83.91 02:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree, there's a conspiracy going on. My guess is a loser who got pissed off because he sucked too much to get there

Don't space. TTN and others keep removing it. He states it's game guide material or cruft which would be spam. Angry Sun 03:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Great Giana Sisters

There’s no mention of Great Giana Sisters, a 8-bit era computer only clone of Super Mario Bros that had to be removed from the shelves due to legal issues. ~ IICATSII punch the keys 13:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It's already linked off the main page for the Mario Series in general. Babrook 9:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

"king cooper"?!

i'm sure the name i remember was bowser, not sure if this was mentioned in the game itself though and i don't have the instruction manual availible.

It's 'King Koopa' Babrook 10:00 23, January 23 2007 (UTC)

Killing bowser (reffered to in the article as "king cooper"

i clearly remember the manual saying that there were several ways to kill him, are there any known ones other than the two already mentioned in our article? Plugwash 23:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It's 'King Koopa' Babrook 10:00 23, January 23 2007 (UTC)

Mario and Luigi

"The game starred the Italian plumber Mario and his slightly younger brother Luigi." Something about this statement bothers me. I was always under the impression that they were twins, but I don't remember there being any information given about the slight differences in their age. Is this just an assumption or does someone have the original packaging? Either way I think I'm going to add the word "twin" to that sentence somewhere. Quixoto 18:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

They ARE twins. Mario was just born first. And whomever brings up that the GBA port of Yoshi's Island removed the twin statements: That was only the English version. If you were to translate from Japanese (or just about any other language included in the European edition), you'd find "twin brothers".

eu gostaria da jogar mario forever

Music

The article ought to touch upon the music of the game.--Xtreambar 02:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Evan1109 16:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Minus World in the Virtual Console

The article said "the glitch remains in the Virtual Console version, but not in the form it is remembered." I did it in the original way as soon as I got the game, so for one, that's totally wrong. And for another thing, whoever said that didn't elaborate on this "difference". I changed it for now--but if this isn't a flat-out lie then please elaborate on the differences. Evan1109 16:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

how do you do the glitch? isn't it break two blocks above the pipe duck down and jump?

Backwards fireball

"Note the backwards fireball" What?

The "hardest level ever" video

You've all probably seen this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881

It looks like a mod of some kind. Does anyone of you know it? Shinobu 05:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I wondered about the same thing. I also think that the video's famous enough on Google Video and various forums to warrant a mention in the article. Does it fulfill notability requirements? --Safe-Keeper 02:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

According to

Steven Kent's "The Ultimate History of Video Games", Super Mario Bros. was an arcade game first, then ported to the NES. --Imax80 21:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

This isn't true. VS Super Mario bros was in fact based on the NES version. Else why call it VS Super Mario Bros, like all the other NES "remakes" appearing on the VS Arcade System? --Dez26 22:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

This article has at times been pruned of information of wide interest, such as its popularity (cited in the peer review as a section to expand, not delete!) and the minus worlds (as above), as one can see by comparison with: archived version.

Presumably this is because the article becomes unwieldy with all this information, so I've made a separate article for more detailed information: Super Mario Bros. Technicals.

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, but Super Mario Bros. is a major element of pop culture.

In future, could editors please discuss deletions and refer to Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines, and suggest guidelines for what should and should not be included?

Nbarth 19:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

As per "Wikipedia is not a gaming guide", people have suggested instead that much non-encyclopedic information be put elsewhere, such as: [1]

Nbarth 08:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Bowser (smb1).png

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Super Mario Bros. for GameCube

SMB for GameCube (in Animal Crossing) is the original ROM. A full emulation; no modifications. So I moved the information about it to where the information about the Classic NES Series and Virtual Console versions are. Mega Man 5 29 June 2007 (UTC)

ID Software's PC port of Super Mario Bros?

There is a story that ID Software approached Nintendo with the idea for a PC port of Super Mario Bros (and an accompanying demo), but were turned down, which led to the creation of Commander Keen instead. If anyone would like to research this and integrate it into the main article (trivia section?), that would be great.

Music?

Is it just me, or does one of levels have a song that sounds very similiar to "Aces High" by Iron Maiden. That just dawned on me even though I haven't played this game in over a decade. However, I be confusing the song with one of the other Super Mario games...

You're wrong.Every song in the game plays at least three times.TheK12 19:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

GA

This article does not currently meet GA standards. Images lack fair use rationales (which is a quick-fail criteria), it's terribly under-referenced, the random wikification of stand-alone years needs to be corrected. References also need to be consistently formatted. Currently, there are extra characters at the end of one reference. Not sure what it is, I assume accidental. I'll wait a few days before checking back. If these issues haven't been addressed, I'm going to delist the article from GA. Know, however, that it can always be renominated at a later time. LaraLove 17:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It needs to be organized. The Master of Suspicion 02:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationales are now in every image. However, the relatively few references won't meet GA criteria. I can't find a single reference in the gameplay section, which is long enough that it deserves references. I'm now delisting this article as GA until the standards are met again. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

"World 0"

Someone added this under Bugs/Glitches. There's no citation, plus it appears as though it just applies to emulated versions, whereas this article is talking about the actual NES Cartridge game. Instead of removing the section, I thought I'd see what others thought, if it should stay or go. Poor Poor Pitiful Me 03:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well since I received no replies, I took it upon myself to remove the section since emulated versions of video games aren't usually discussed in respective articles, in part due to the questionable legality of emulators. Poor Poor Pitiful Me 02:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)